[rescue] Various machines for sale

[Dave McGuire]

   Oh, well that makes all the difference! ;)

            -Dave

On 1/8/25 14:34, Lionel Peterson via rescue wrote:
> Well, yeah.
> 
> But they were "certified engineers"! LOL
> 
> Ken
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2025, at 13:31, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>   So, clueless people who had no business making assertions about technologies that they know nothing about.
>>
>>               -Dave
>>
>>> On 1/8/25 14:05, Lionel Peterson via rescue wrote:
>>> Dave the "technical people" that said things like that were typically MCSE "engineers"... calling them "technical" was a bit of a stretch.
>>> Actually, I usually heard that line from "software types" when they were trying to relate to/bond with actual system admins that were trying to help them.
>>> Ken
>>>>> On Jan 8, 2025, at 12:36, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 1/8/25 13:27, Mouse via rescue wrote:
>>>>>> Yeah that was always BS.  People just wouldn't take the five minutes
>>>>>> required to learn about what termination is and how to apply it.
>>>>> It actually was remarkably tolerant.  I have discovered
>>>>> triple-terminated SCSI working just fine.  I think I even once saw a
>>>>> quadruply-terminated SCSI bus working.
>>>>
>>>>   Yes, and that was by design.  I don't mean to say that over-termination is supported by the design, which it is not, but the design is deliberately resilient enough to handle it.
>>>>
>>>>>> Doubly hilarious were the retards who loudly asserted that "IDE is
>>>>>> superior because it doesn't need those annoying terminators".
>>>>> As much as I sympathize with (and mostly share) your point of view,
>>>>> actually, from the end user's point of view, that is correct: if the
>>>>> end user doesn't have to even think about such things, it *is*
>>>>> superior...for most users.  Most users would rather have simple-to-use
>>>>> over complex-to-use, even at the price of performance, flexibility, and
>>>>> complexity under the hood.  Witness USB. :-(
>>>>
>>>>   Agreed.  But supposed *technical people* were saying crap like that. I'm not talking about nontechnical end users.
>>>>
>>>>>> Because the n00bs who designed the IDE interface didn't understand
>>>>>> transmission line theory or impedance matching well enough to design
>>>>>> it into the interface does not mean it is "superior".
>>>>> They understood it well enough to design an interface that would work
>>>>> without it.  (I suspect this mostly meant limiting cable lengths and
>>>>> speeds, but I'm not a transmission-line engineer.)
>>>>
>>>>   Everything about the design says that they didn't understand one whit of it, and didn't understand mass storage interfaces in general. Absolutely nothing about it was a good idea.
>>>>
>>>>                -Dave
>>>>
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>>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>>> New Kensington, PA
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