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[Lionel Peterson]

Well, yeah.

But they were "certified engineers"! LOL

Ken

> On Jan 8, 2025, at 13:31, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
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>  So, clueless people who had no business making assertions about technologies that they know nothing about.
> 
>              -Dave
> 
>> On 1/8/25 14:05, Lionel Peterson via rescue wrote:
>> Dave the "technical people" that said things like that were typically MCSE "engineers"... calling them "technical" was a bit of a stretch.
>> Actually, I usually heard that line from "software types" when they were trying to relate to/bond with actual system admins that were trying to help them.
>> Ken
>>>> On Jan 8, 2025, at 12:36, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
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>>> On 1/8/25 13:27, Mouse via rescue wrote:
>>>>> Yeah that was always BS.  People just wouldn't take the five minutes
>>>>> required to learn about what termination is and how to apply it.
>>>> It actually was remarkably tolerant.  I have discovered
>>>> triple-terminated SCSI working just fine.  I think I even once saw a
>>>> quadruply-terminated SCSI bus working.
>>> 
>>>  Yes, and that was by design.  I don't mean to say that over-termination is supported by the design, which it is not, but the design is deliberately resilient enough to handle it.
>>> 
>>>>> Doubly hilarious were the retards who loudly asserted that "IDE is
>>>>> superior because it doesn't need those annoying terminators".
>>>> As much as I sympathize with (and mostly share) your point of view,
>>>> actually, from the end user's point of view, that is correct: if the
>>>> end user doesn't have to even think about such things, it *is*
>>>> superior...for most users.  Most users would rather have simple-to-use
>>>> over complex-to-use, even at the price of performance, flexibility, and
>>>> complexity under the hood.  Witness USB. :-(
>>> 
>>>  Agreed.  But supposed *technical people* were saying crap like that. I'm not talking about nontechnical end users.
>>> 
>>>>> Because the n00bs who designed the IDE interface didn't understand
>>>>> transmission line theory or impedance matching well enough to design
>>>>> it into the interface does not mean it is "superior".
>>>> They understood it well enough to design an interface that would work
>>>> without it.  (I suspect this mostly meant limiting cable lengths and
>>>> speeds, but I'm not a transmission-line engineer.)
>>> 
>>>  Everything about the design says that they didn't understand one whit of it, and didn't understand mass storage interfaces in general. Absolutely nothing about it was a good idea.
>>> 
>>>               -Dave
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