From walter+rescue at belgers.com  Wed Apr  8 19:05:45 2026
From: walter+rescue at belgers.com (Walter Belgers)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 21:05:45 +0200
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
Message-ID: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>

Hi,

Either my collection is too big, or my house is too small. I've thought about giving (most of) my collection to a museum, but this has been unsuccessful.

I've now bought a garage as storage. It's part of an appartment complex, so the temperature/moisture levels should be better than in a garage that has no heating/conditioning whatsoever. Of course, it will be much worse than in my home.

Any tips on storing stuff? Sparcstations and other Sun boxed, spare cards (sbus, VME), boxed with OSes on tape/CD, documentation, etc.

I was thinking about keeping the documentation and books at home. I want to put in (heavy duty) shelves for the systems, use big plastic boxes for parts. Maybe put some bags around the systems. A dehumidifier is not really an option I think, there is mains power, but I cannot go there very regularly to check on it.

I've just started to make an inventory of my stuff, seeing if the systems will still run after having been shelved so long. The first four systems: SPARCstation 20: still working! SPARCsystem Netra i4: one DIMM dead, disk dead, NVRAM empty (was fixed but battery empty again). SPARC Xterminal1, dead. SPARCstation 4: I had to hit the disk because of stiction but then it booted although NVRAM empty. I've built a whole bunch of GW-48T02-1 repair boards but I don't think I'll put them in at this time.

Regards,
Walter.
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From lionel4287 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 19:21:05 2026
From: lionel4287 at gmail.com (Lionel Peterson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 14:21:05 -0500
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
References: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
Message-ID: <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>

Walter,

I apologize for asking, but why are you holding on to all this stuff?

Hear me out.

You are making a significant investment ("I've bought a garage"), to what end?

I've been to Dave McGuire's LSSM in PA, and I can understand what he's doing, but are your systems actually interesting enough to justify warehousing them? The devices you listed so far seem pretty common, and in need of repair/part replacement.

Ideally, the equipment should be stored in an environment as close to a traditional office environment, and maybe left plugged in to to perhaps extend the life of NVRAM parts (assuming the PS never really turns off).

I ask about your intentions because that will shape the responses.

A few years ago I significantly reduced my Sun collection, realizing that I could logically keep myself entertained/happy with one, high-spec U60 system, that various old SS/5, SS20, and Ultra 2 systems were just redundant and taking up too much space.

You don't have to justify your collection to me, but if we know your plans, we can make better suggestions.

Hope I didn't offend,

Ken

> On Apr 8, 2026, at 14:07, Walter Belgers via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Either my collection is too big, or my house is too small. I've thought about giving (most of) my collection to a museum, but this has been unsuccessful.
> 
> I've now bought a garage as storage. It's part of an appartment complex, so the temperature/moisture levels should be better than in a garage that has no heating/conditioning whatsoever. Of course, it will be much worse than in my home.
> 
> Any tips on storing stuff? Sparcstations and other Sun boxed, spare cards (sbus, VME), boxed with OSes on tape/CD, documentation, etc.
> 
> I was thinking about keeping the documentation and books at home. I want to put in (heavy duty) shelves for the systems, use big plastic boxes for parts. Maybe put some bags around the systems. A dehumidifier is not really an option I think, there is mains power, but I cannot go there very regularly to check on it.
> 
> I've just started to make an inventory of my stuff, seeing if the systems will still run after having been shelved so long. The first four systems: SPARCstation 20: still working! SPARCsystem Netra i4: one DIMM dead, disk dead, NVRAM empty (was fixed but battery empty again). SPARC Xterminal1, dead. SPARCstation 4: I had to hit the disk because of stiction but then it booted although NVRAM empty. I've built a whole bunch of GW-48T02-1 repair boards but I don't think I'll put them in at this time.
> 
> Regards,
> Walter.
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
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From silvercreekvalley at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  8 19:32:13 2026
From: silvercreekvalley at yahoo.com (silcreval)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 20:32:13 +0100
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
References: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
 <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB2671D3-3A20-4E00-9C7C-BB2E7A2F9F40@yahoo.com>

Hi Walter

One thing I find with storing systems, is that its good to have some kind of plan to power them up at least once a year.

I cycle through most of my systems every 12 months.

The other thing is to avoid sealing things in plastic boxes etc. I find this seems to encourage oxidation unless your storage is temperature controlled.

Most of my systems are on open shelving in a dry but unheated  part of the house and generally I dont see much deterioration.

- Ian

> On 8 Apr 2026, at 20:21, Lionel Peterson via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> 
> Walter,
> 
> I apologize for asking, but why are you holding on to all this stuff?
> 
> Hear me out.
> 
> You are making a significant investment ("I've bought a garage"), to what end?
> 
> I've been to Dave McGuire's LSSM in PA, and I can understand what he's doing, but are your systems actually interesting enough to justify warehousing them? The devices you listed so far seem pretty common, and in need of repair/part replacement.
> 
> Ideally, the equipment should be stored in an environment as close to a traditional office environment, and maybe left plugged in to to perhaps extend the life of NVRAM parts (assuming the PS never really turns off).
> 
> I ask about your intentions because that will shape the responses.
> 
> A few years ago I significantly reduced my Sun collection, realizing that I could logically keep myself entertained/happy with one, high-spec U60 system, that various old SS/5, SS20, and Ultra 2 systems were just redundant and taking up too much space.
> 
> You don't have to justify your collection to me, but if we know your plans, we can make better suggestions.
> 
> Hope I didn't offend,
> 
> Ken
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2026, at 14:07, Walter Belgers via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Either my collection is too big, or my house is too small. I've thought about giving (most of) my collection to a museum, but this has been unsuccessful.
>> 
>> I've now bought a garage as storage. It's part of an appartment complex, so the temperature/moisture levels should be better than in a garage that has no heating/conditioning whatsoever. Of course, it will be much worse than in my home.
>> 
>> Any tips on storing stuff? Sparcstations and other Sun boxed, spare cards (sbus, VME), boxed with OSes on tape/CD, documentation, etc.
>> 
>> I was thinking about keeping the documentation and books at home. I want to put in (heavy duty) shelves for the systems, use big plastic boxes for parts. Maybe put some bags around the systems. A dehumidifier is not really an option I think, there is mains power, but I cannot go there very regularly to check on it.
>> 
>> I've just started to make an inventory of my stuff, seeing if the systems will still run after having been shelved so long. The first four systems: SPARCstation 20: still working! SPARCsystem Netra i4: one DIMM dead, disk dead, NVRAM empty (was fixed but battery empty again). SPARC Xterminal1, dead. SPARCstation 4: I had to hit the disk because of stiction but then it booted although NVRAM empty. I've built a whole bunch of GW-48T02-1 repair boards but I don't think I'll put them in at this time.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Walter.
>> _______________________________________________
>> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org

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From mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG  Wed Apr  8 20:10:38 2026
From: mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG (Mouse)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 16:10:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
References: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
	<B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <202604082010.QAA27166@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>

>> Either my collection is too big, or my house is too small.  [...]
>> I've now bought a garage as storage.  [...]
> I apologize for asking, but why are you holding on to all this stuff?

I'm not the poster, but this *is* a very good question, one I've had to
ask myself a lot recently.

Speaking purely personally, here.  But I've seen tendencies in many of
you on the list that make me think I'm not too far from representative
in a bunch of respects, so maybe these thoughts will help some of you.

It's very easy to slip into trying to *logically* justify an
*emotional* attachment to things, and that is usually a frustrating and
pointless thing to try to do.  I, for example, have an emotional soft
spot for VAXen and Suns.  It's not one I can justify logically, but
I've realized it *is* fundamentally emotional and I've thus stopped
trying to justify it any other way (and have managed to let go of
criticizing myself for my inability to justify it logically; that was
nontrivial...).

I've also found it difficult to balance emotional attachment versus
logistical considerations such as space to keep things in and which of
them I can in practice run routinely.  But recognizing that that's what
I'm actually doing has made it easier for me to live content with the
results.

So: while I echo the question - "why are you keeping all this?" - it's
not because I criticize you for it, though as English uses such
questions it's easy for it to come across that way.  It's not even
because I want to know the answer.  It's because you figuring out the
answer(s) to that question is likely to give you more clarity on how
best to handle your stuff.

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From alanp at snowmoose.com  Wed Apr  8 20:12:47 2026
From: alanp at snowmoose.com (Alan Perry)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 13:12:47 -0700
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
References: <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>

That is an interesting response for someone subscribed to a nominal Sun rescue mailing list.

My original collection was Sun lunchbox systems. Then it expanded to Sun clones and a few Sun 4c/4m pizza boxes (and a SPARCbook). Then it expanded to sun3 desksides and VME boards. I have done a bit of thinning as well.

And I have had around a couple dozen Sun 4c/4m/4u pizza boxes come in as “rescues”, broken and unknown condition machines given or sold very inexpensively that I repaired and quickly sold on (for the price of the parts needed to get them running well).

In my experience, one can’t expect them to stay in an operational state after being left in storage for a while. Every time I use one that had been sitting for a couple years, something is broken that had been working before. I was very sad to discover a Ross 150MHz MBus card now fails self-test.

I have converted a few IDPROMs to external battery but not enough. I am now used to setting those values by hand.

A while back, almost all of the Sun 424 disks I had died within a year of each other. Now all of my QIC drives (4 of them) don’t work (and I need to read a bunch of QIC tapes to get my sun3s working).

Everything except the sun3 stuff is in my home office. The sun3 stuff is in the garage; this stuff doesn’t seem to mind the temperature changes in the garage.

alan

> On Apr 8, 2026, at 12:23, Lionel Peterson via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> 
> Walter,
> 
> I apologize for asking, but why are you holding on to all this stuff?
> 
> Hear me out.
> 
> You are making a significant investment ("I've bought a garage"), to what end?
> 
> I've been to Dave McGuire's LSSM in PA, and I can understand what he's doing, but are your systems actually interesting enough to justify warehousing them? The devices you listed so far seem pretty common, and in need of repair/part replacement.
> 
> Ideally, the equipment should be stored in an environment as close to a traditional office environment, and maybe left plugged in to to perhaps extend the life of NVRAM parts (assuming the PS never really turns off).
> 
> I ask about your intentions because that will shape the responses.
> 
> A few years ago I significantly reduced my Sun collection, realizing that I could logically keep myself entertained/happy with one, high-spec U60 system, that various old SS/5, SS20, and Ultra 2 systems were just redundant and taking up too much space.
> 
> You don't have to justify your collection to me, but if we know your plans, we can make better suggestions.
> 
> Hope I didn't offend,
> 
> Ken
> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2026, at 14:07, Walter Belgers via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Either my collection is too big, or my house is too small. I've thought about giving (most of) my collection to a museum, but this has been unsuccessful.
>> 
>> I've now bought a garage as storage. It's part of an appartment complex, so the temperature/moisture levels should be better than in a garage that has no heating/conditioning whatsoever. Of course, it will be much worse than in my home.
>> 
>> Any tips on storing stuff? Sparcstations and other Sun boxed, spare cards (sbus, VME), boxed with OSes on tape/CD, documentation, etc.
>> 
>> I was thinking about keeping the documentation and books at home. I want to put in (heavy duty) shelves for the systems, use big plastic boxes for parts. Maybe put some bags around the systems. A dehumidifier is not really an option I think, there is mains power, but I cannot go there very regularly to check on it.
>> 
>> I've just started to make an inventory of my stuff, seeing if the systems will still run after having been shelved so long. The first four systems: SPARCstation 20: still working! SPARCsystem Netra i4: one DIMM dead, disk dead, NVRAM empty (was fixed but battery empty again). SPARC Xterminal1, dead. SPARCstation 4: I had to hit the disk because of stiction but then it booted although NVRAM empty. I've built a whole bunch of GW-48T02-1 repair boards but I don't think I'll put them in at this time.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Walter.
>> _______________________________________________
>> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
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From mcguire at neurotica.com  Wed Apr  8 20:25:10 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 16:25:10 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <202604082010.QAA27166@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
References: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
 <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
 <202604082010.QAA27166@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
Message-ID: <d10a7227-44da-436b-9790-a11c61c448ac@neurotica.com>

On 4/8/26 16:10, Mouse via rescue wrote:
>>> Either my collection is too big, or my house is too small.  [...]
>>> I've now bought a garage as storage.  [...]
>> I apologize for asking, but why are you holding on to all this stuff?
> 
> I'm not the poster, but this *is* a very good question, one I've had to
> ask myself a lot recently.
> 
> Speaking purely personally, here.  But I've seen tendencies in many of
> you on the list that make me think I'm not too far from representative
> in a bunch of respects, so maybe these thoughts will help some of you.
> 
> It's very easy to slip into trying to *logically* justify an
> *emotional* attachment to things, and that is usually a frustrating and
> pointless thing to try to do.  I, for example, have an emotional soft
> spot for VAXen and Suns.  It's not one I can justify logically, but
> I've realized it *is* fundamentally emotional and I've thus stopped
> trying to justify it any other way (and have managed to let go of
> criticizing myself for my inability to justify it logically; that was
> nontrivial...).
> 
> I've also found it difficult to balance emotional attachment versus
> logistical considerations such as space to keep things in and which of
> them I can in practice run routinely.  But recognizing that that's what
> I'm actually doing has made it easier for me to live content with the
> results.
> 
> So: while I echo the question - "why are you keeping all this?" - it's
> not because I criticize you for it, though as English uses such
> questions it's easy for it to come across that way.  It's not even
> because I want to know the answer.  It's because you figuring out the
> answer(s) to that question is likely to give you more clarity on how
> best to handle your stuff.

   Re: the emotional attachments...Isn't that what life is all about? 
Or SHOULD BE about?

          -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From mcguire at neurotica.com  Wed Apr  8 20:27:10 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 16:27:10 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
References: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
 <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1be4f44a-f2fe-4cfa-8c96-32b7a41f2de0@neurotica.com>

On 4/8/26 15:21, Lionel Peterson via rescue wrote:
> *Ideally, the equipment should be stored in an environment as close to a 
> traditional office environment, and maybe left plugged in to to perhaps 
> extend the life of NVRAM parts (assuming the PS never really turns off).*
   The pilot supplies in soft-power systems typically don't keep the 
NVRAMs powered up.

            -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From walter+rescue at belgers.com  Wed Apr  8 20:32:20 2026
From: walter+rescue at belgers.com (Walter Belgers)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 22:32:20 +0200
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
References: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
 <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0619C6B1-EA81-4355-B597-0671E23F4165@belgers.com>

Hi, 

> On 8 Apr 2026, at 21:21, Lionel Peterson via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> I ask about your intentions because that will shape the responses.

Yes, that is a very valid question. I think I want to avoid throwing away systems, as I find that that's a shame. There's not really much more to it. I'll throw away stuff that is ubiquitous, but in my perception even a SPARCstation 4 is something of a rare machien. I enjoy getting systems, playing with them, but when that's done, they get shelved and sometimes given away or traded. So the answer to your question is: I want to rescue them from being thrown away until another caretaker is found.

A few things I should mention:
- there's multiple reasons for the garage, not just the machines but that doesn't really matter for the discussion
- there's more than just a few pizzaboxes that are maybe not-so-interesting (although the SS20 I mentioned as for instance dual ROSS CPUs and a video capture SBUS card).

In the collection are 2/120, 2/50, 3/50, 3/60, 3/110, 4/110, SS1000+storage array, Whitfield Diffie's T-SPARCstation 2, 386i, Wietse Venema's ELC, Voyager, almost all Blade's, SunRays, Sun Fire B1600, Tadpole/RDI stuff, and all the less interesting stuff (lot of 4/xx, Ultra, Blade, .. stuff). I think some of these boxes are rare and/or interesting and worth keeping (meaning: not throwing them away) although I might be biased - are these worth not being scrapped?

> A few years ago I significantly reduced my Sun collection, realizing that I could logically keep myself entertained/happy with one, high-spec U60 system, that various old SS/5, SS20, and Ultra 2 systems were just redundant and taking up too much space.

For me, it's not so much about running them. Sure, when I get them I like tinkering and trying out new OSes and maxing them out hardware wise. And I've used Sun machines as my main machine at work for a number of years, but now they are just on display, not turned on. They were all shelved in working order, but over time they still deteriorate. The systems in my previous mail might have not been turned on for 20+ years.

> Hope I didn't offend,

Not at all. I'm Dutch and (so) I appreciate you questioning my motives in a clear way :)

I also realise that with these systems getting older, and Sun not being around any more, the interest will also diminish. I believe something similar is happening with big PDP's, they used to be very sought after but as people who have them start passing away, while young people are not interested, they become harder to find good homes for.

@Ian: thanks for your tip on the boxes.

Regards,
Walter.

From phils at caerllewys.net  Wed Apr  8 20:48:02 2026
From: phils at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 16:48:02 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <0619C6B1-EA81-4355-B597-0671E23F4165@belgers.com>
References: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
 <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
 <0619C6B1-EA81-4355-B597-0671E23F4165@belgers.com>
Message-ID: <96e66866-b053-4445-8f22-6c4bbef1635e@caerllewys.net>

On 4/8/26 16:32, Walter Belgers via rescue wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>> On 8 Apr 2026, at 21:21, Lionel Peterson via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>> I ask about your intentions because that will shape the responses.
> 
> Yes, that is a very valid question. I think I want to avoid throwing away systems, as I find that that's a shame. There's not really much more to it. I'll throw away stuff that is ubiquitous, but in my perception even a SPARCstation 4 is something of a rare machien. I enjoy getting systems, playing with them, but when that's done, they get shelved and sometimes given away or traded. So the answer to your question is: I want to rescue them from being thrown away until another caretaker is found.


This is why I'm still trying to find a home for my surplus-to-my-needs 
X2200M2 (and why frankly I still lament the demise of my X4540 THOR, 
power-hungry though it was).


-- 
   Phil Stracchino
   Fenian House Publishing
   phils at caerllewys.net
   phil at co.ordinate.org
   Landline: +1.603.293.8485
   Mobile:   +1.603.998.6958

From stuff at riddermarkfarm.ca  Wed Apr  8 22:20:17 2026
From: stuff at riddermarkfarm.ca (Stuff Received)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 18:20:17 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <d10a7227-44da-436b-9790-a11c61c448ac@neurotica.com>
References: <50C640B6-4951-4701-AC94-1A41255543C9@belgers.com>
 <B4342350-E575-4ADF-ADF5-690C4BD5E1A9@gmail.com>
 <202604082010.QAA27166@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
 <d10a7227-44da-436b-9790-a11c61c448ac@neurotica.com>
Message-ID: <92af2a18-119c-063f-fa0a-c13752a8ef69@riddermarkfarm.ca>

On 2026-04-08 16:25, Dave McGuire via rescue wrote:
[...]

>    Re: the emotional attachments...Isn't that what life is all about? Or 
> SHOULD BE about?
> 
>           -Dave

Indeed or we would be living in rather barren abodes... #6-)

I store my Sun collection in large plastic bags in an unheated room. 
The suggestion about annual smoke test is a good one but only tried with 
a few boxes.

S.


From lionel4287 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 22:32:24 2026
From: lionel4287 at gmail.com (Lionel Peterson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 17:32:24 -0500
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
Message-ID: <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>

Are you responding to me?

This is a rescue group, not a hoarding group. I do my fair share of "emotional collecting" but when you start having to rent storage space to hold, asking why is a fair question.

As I said, I asked to shape the response, I explained tgat there was no need to justify the collection to me or anybody else...

Personally I have boxes and boxes of old x86 stuff that seriously needs to be gotten rid of, it got packed up 10 years ago when we moved from our 1,500 sq ft basement (with attached house) to a house with a 0 sq ft basement.

I've been able to hold on to it for years without spending any real money, but it's long past time to start shedding. (I plan on taking a lot of it to the "free table" at VCFSW in June, to assuage my 'I don't want to put it in a land fill' position...)

The OP has embraced my query, as well as another list member - I don't think I'm really that far off the mark. I've been with the group for about 30 years or so, so I'm pretty sure I 'get' the point of the group.

Ken

> On Apr 8, 2026, at 15:13, Alan Perry <alanp at snowmoose.com> wrote:
> 
> That is an interesting response for someone subscribed to a nominal Sun rescue mailing list.

From dmoisa at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 23:44:53 2026
From: dmoisa at gmail.com (Dan Moisa)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2026 13:44:53 -1000
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: 
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW I'm collecting* a bunch, and usually interested in sun3,
Voyager/tadpole and pre-sparc stuff. You don't have to throw it away, just
pass it on to the next generation :)

Collecting* turned into preservation which means making sure it works,
loaded with period-appropropiate stuff. Also hear me out, with AI now a
bunch of stuff is opening up in terms of organizing, configuring, reverse
engineering.

Would folks be willing to share ls -R of your hoard? Did anyone make an
index somewhere already?

On Wed, Apr 8, 2026, 13:14 Lionel Peterson via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org>
wrote:

> Are you responding to me?
>
> This is a rescue group, not a hoarding group. I do my fair share of
> "emotional collecting" but when you start having to rent storage space to
> hold, asking why is a fair question.
>
> As I said, I asked to shape the response, I explained tgat there was no
> need to justify the collection to me or anybody else...
>
> Personally I have boxes and boxes of old x86 stuff that seriously needs to
> be gotten rid of, it got packed up 10 years ago when we moved from our
> 1,500 sq ft basement (with attached house) to a house with a 0 sq ft
> basement.
>
> I've been able to hold on to it for years without spending any real money,
> but it's long past time to start shedding. (I plan on taking a lot of it to
> the "free table" at VCFSW in June, to assuage my 'I don't want to put it in
> a land fill' position...)
>
> The OP has embraced my query, as well as another list member - I don't
> think I'm really that far off the mark. I've been with the group for about
> 30 years or so, so I'm pretty sure I 'get' the point of the group.
>
> Ken
>
> > On Apr 8, 2026, at 15:13, Alan Perry <alanp at snowmoose.com> wrote:
> >
> > That is an interesting response for someone subscribed to a nominal Sun
> rescue mailing list.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ab at lists.gxis.de  Thu Apr  9 21:02:40 2026
From: ab at lists.gxis.de (Alexander Bochmann)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2026 23:02:40 +0200
Subject: [rescue] SS10 CPU detection problems
Message-ID: <adgT8P8OD7VYgxZf@gxis.de>

Hi, 

I own a SparcStation 10 with two 390Z55 (501-2352 SM51) CPU boards. 
It used to happily come up with both, but recently it sometimes 
drops into firmware with a Watchdog Reset, and reports only 
1 X 390Z55.

I've tried to find out which of the boards is bad, but it gets even 
more strange from there - the system won't do anything at all with 
only one of the MBUS slots populated (I get one keyboard blink, but 
the system LED stays off, regardless of which CPU I use). Same when 
I swap both boards around.

Has anyone run into something like this? I don't really have any 
debugging tools other than what's provided by the system. It 
currently has Solaris 2.5.1 installed, which does boot despite 
all this weirdness, provided there's no Watchdog Reset first.

Alex.


From ehawk at ember.systems  Thu Apr  9 23:30:23 2026
From: ehawk at ember.systems (Ethan Hawke)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2026 09:30:23 +1000
Subject: [rescue] SS10 CPU detection problems
In-Reply-To: <adgT8P8OD7VYgxZf@gxis.de>
References: <adgT8P8OD7VYgxZf@gxis.de>
Message-ID: <889e3336-93dc-4ff4-905f-5c87761973c0@ember.systems>

> Hi,
>
> I own a SparcStation 10 with two 390Z55 (501-2352 SM51) CPU boards.
> It used to happily come up with both, but recently it sometimes
> drops into firmware with a Watchdog Reset, and reports only
> 1 X 390Z55.

Sorry to hear about your SS10.

It's sounding like dirty or damaged contacts to me.

> I've tried to find out which of the boards is bad, but it gets even
> more strange from there - the system won't do anything at all with
> only one of the MBUS slots populated (I get one keyboard blink, but
> the system LED stays off, regardless of which CPU I use). Same when
> I swap both boards around.

When trying a single CPU, make sure it is in the lower slot as
the upper slot is disabled on Power-on, and the CPU on the
lower slot must enabled it first (which can't happen if it is
missing).

The system LED is under software control and is turned on
very early during POST, so is a quick indicator if the machine
will not POST.

Good luck,
Ethan



From walter+rescue at belgers.com  Sat Apr 11 11:27:46 2026
From: walter+rescue at belgers.com (Walter Belgers)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 13:27:46 +0200
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: 
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>

> On 9 Apr 2026, at 01:44, Dan Moisa via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> FWIW I'm collecting* a bunch, and usually interested in sun3, Voyager/tadpole and pre-sparc stuff. You don't have to throw it away, just pass it on to the next generation :)

It's actually not easy to find interested people (next generation or not) that want to take over systems (other than the very unique ones). The discussion did make me think about what to do. If there are people out there trying to keep systems working and are looking for specific parts, send me an e-mail. Note that I am in the Netherlands.

> Would folks be willing to share ls -R of your hoard? Did anyone make an index somewhere already?

A short overview. Many systems I have multiple of:

Sun1: Kontron PSI Ψ 9068 with 501-0600 "Sun1.5" CPU board
Sun2: 2/50, 2/120
Sun3: 3/50 (with and without dimple), 3/60, 3/75, 3/80, 3/110
Sun386i: Sun386i/250 with disk expansion
Sun4: 4/110, 1, 1+, 2, 4, 5, 10, 20, X-terminal 1, Classic, Classic X, IPX, IPC, LX, ELC, SLC, SunScreen SPF-100, T-SPARCstation 2, SPARCserver 1000
Ultra: 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 30, 60  
Blade: 100, 150, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 silver, 2500 beige, 2500 red
Netra: i4, i5, T1/105, T1/AC200, T1000, T2000, X1
Fire: V100, V210, V250, B1600, X2200
Server: V20z, V40z
Portable: Naturetech GENIALstation 737S, Voyager, SPARCbook 3, SPARCbook, RDI Powerlite, RDI PrecisionBook
Ray: 1, 1G, 100, 2, 3 
Javastation: NC (Krups), 1 (Mr Coffee) (both colours)
Clones: Fujitsu SS5, TRITEC SS20, Tatung SS10, Solair SS5, Solair SS10, Axil SS10
Parts: too many to mention, sbus, VME, mbus, speakers, camera's, suntuner, CPUs, disks, SIMMS, ..
Documentation: boxes full of it
Media: boxes full of original tapes, CDs and DVDs 
Promo: body warmer, mugs, pens, sled, pens, mouse mats and much more

In the past few days, I tested 25 systems (alle pizza/lunchbox). A few need a re-install and three are just dead (of which 2 lunchboxes, which are notorious for their PSU's I believe). Also, there's many with the original (now empty) NVRAM. I thought I had fixed quite a few, but not nearly as much as I thought. I might spend some time on soldering batteries onto a lot of NVRAM chips before I shelve them.

Regards,
Walter.

From silvercreekvalley at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 11 11:54:45 2026
From: silvercreekvalley at yahoo.com (silcreval)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 12:54:45 +0100
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
Message-ID: <BFDF9ACD-5D33-4D54-8B85-04A2562CC2A4@yahoo.com>

HI Walter

Thats an awesome list of systems. I have a similar collection and use the machines every day. The Sun obsession runs deep :-)

I'm still waiting for the 'newer' T7/M7 servers to drop to a reasonable price, but dealers are still asking crazy prices for these despite them being what nearly a decade old ?

You do see T4/T5 machines for 'reasonable' money these days.

- Ian




On 11 Apr 2026, at 12:27, Walter Belgers via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 9 Apr 2026, at 01:44, Dan Moisa via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>> FWIW I'm collecting* a bunch, and usually interested in sun3, Voyager/tadpole and pre-sparc stuff. You don't have to throw it away, just pass it on to the next generation :)
> 
> It's actually not easy to find interested people (next generation or not) that want to take over systems (other than the very unique ones). The discussion did make me think about what to do. If there are people out there trying to keep systems working and are looking for specific parts, send me an e-mail. Note that I am in the Netherlands.
> 
>> Would folks be willing to share ls -R of your hoard? Did anyone make an index somewhere already?
> 
> A short overview. Many systems I have multiple of:
> 
> Sun1: Kontron PSI Ψ 9068 with 501-0600 "Sun1.5" CPU board
> Sun2: 2/50, 2/120
> Sun3: 3/50 (with and without dimple), 3/60, 3/75, 3/80, 3/110
> Sun386i: Sun386i/250 with disk expansion
> Sun4: 4/110, 1, 1+, 2, 4, 5, 10, 20, X-terminal 1, Classic, Classic X, IPX, IPC, LX, ELC, SLC, SunScreen SPF-100, T-SPARCstation 2, SPARCserver 1000
> Ultra: 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 30, 60  
> Blade: 100, 150, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 silver, 2500 beige, 2500 red
> Netra: i4, i5, T1/105, T1/AC200, T1000, T2000, X1
> Fire: V100, V210, V250, B1600, X2200
> Server: V20z, V40z
> Portable: Naturetech GENIALstation 737S, Voyager, SPARCbook 3, SPARCbook, RDI Powerlite, RDI PrecisionBook
> Ray: 1, 1G, 100, 2, 3 
> Javastation: NC (Krups), 1 (Mr Coffee) (both colours)
> Clones: Fujitsu SS5, TRITEC SS20, Tatung SS10, Solair SS5, Solair SS10, Axil SS10
> Parts: too many to mention, sbus, VME, mbus, speakers, camera's, suntuner, CPUs, disks, SIMMS, ..
> Documentation: boxes full of it
> Media: boxes full of original tapes, CDs and DVDs 
> Promo: body warmer, mugs, pens, sled, pens, mouse mats and much more
> 
> In the past few days, I tested 25 systems (alle pizza/lunchbox). A few need a re-install and three are just dead (of which 2 lunchboxes, which are notorious for their PSU's I believe). Also, there's many with the original (now empty) NVRAM. I thought I had fixed quite a few, but not nearly as much as I thought. I might spend some time on soldering batteries onto a lot of NVRAM chips before I shelve them.
> 
> Regards,
> Walter.
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org


From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sat Apr 11 12:12:52 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:12:52 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <BFDF9ACD-5D33-4D54-8B85-04A2562CC2A4@yahoo.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
 <BFDF9ACD-5D33-4D54-8B85-04A2562CC2A4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <afffe2e8-4ddf-4567-bf8f-25c0ab68d719@neurotica.com>

On 4/11/26 07:54, silcreval via rescue wrote:
> I'm still waiting for the 'newer' T7/M7 servers to drop to a reasonable price, but dealers are still asking crazy prices for these despite them being what nearly a decade old ?

   Maybe the world is waking up and is ready to get past the inverse 
equivalence of age and usefulness promulgated by greedy salesmen and 
well-trained consumers. B-)

   Nah.

           -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sat Apr 11 12:13:45 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:13:45 -0400
Subject: [rescue] Speaking of Sun-1s..
Message-ID: <e4794ed7-4bbb-46dc-b3a2-9cdd15a06917@neurotica.com>


   Does anyone here have any recent experience netbooting Sun-1s?

           -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA


From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sat Apr 11 12:20:04 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 08:20:04 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
Message-ID: <b33f4cd5-0065-416e-934e-6dbfd7cfa030@neurotica.com>

On 4/11/26 07:27, Walter Belgers via rescue wrote:
>> FWIW I'm collecting* a bunch, and usually interested in sun3, Voyager/tadpole and pre-sparc stuff. You don't have to throw it away, just pass it on to the next generation :)
> 
> It's actually not easy to find interested people (next generation or not) that want to take over systems (other than the very unique ones). The discussion did make me think about what to do. If there are people out there trying to keep systems working and are looking for specific parts, send me an e-mail. Note that I am in the Netherlands.

   You're hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;)  We meet people at LSSM 
all the time, including just yesterday, who have a great interest in all 
of these systems.

   Maybe there's some way to get the word out.  The hard part would be 
weeding out the scumbags who will turn around and put stuff on eBay.

   One thing I've noticed, though, is that a lot of them are college 
students who have no space.  The disturbing trend of people living with 
their parents until well into adulthood isn't making that situation any 
better.  So it becomes important to catch people after they have become 
established as adults and have a little space, but before they marry 
unreasonable spouses (as they invariably do) won't let them own anything 
that they want to own.  There's a narrow window there.

               -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From jjhudak at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 18:28:16 2026
From: jjhudak at gmail.com (John Hudak)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 14:28:16 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <b33f4cd5-0065-416e-934e-6dbfd7cfa030@neurotica.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
 <b33f4cd5-0065-416e-934e-6dbfd7cfa030@neurotica.com>
Message-ID: 
 <CAE=viVr8N20+X2TDtNBm4EodzHH+RJeva_tFVRQoyP6TW2K3jQ@mail.gmail.com>

Just an observation from personal experience...reasonable spouses can
become unreasonable.  My PDP 8/E in a full size rack has followed me from
grad school (in my apt) and joined along the way by a collection of PDP
11/34s, 73's and assortment of uVax'es (4000/300 and high performance
graphics stations) into our house with a good size basement and garage.  As
we have an eye to downsizing at this point in life, that question that has
become the forcing function is 'what are you going to do with all those
machines??? (she is, btw an advanced degree CS major). and the corollary
'You don't turn them on anymore, or if you do, it becomes more of fixing
them rather than doing anything with them'.   Hmmm logic vs
emotion/enjoyment.   Answers still TBD......(the answer of 'one of these
days' begins to sound hollow after many years....)  To each their own....

Prying the logic analyzer pod ' from my cold dead hands'....lol
John


On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 8:22 AM Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org>
wrote:

>    You're hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;)  We meet people at LSSM
> all the time, including just yesterday, who have a great interest in all
> of these systems.
>
>    Maybe there's some way to get the word out.  The hard part would be
> weeding out the scumbags who will turn around and put stuff on eBay.
>
>    One thing I've noticed, though, is that a lot of them are college
> students who have no space.  The disturbing trend of people living with
> their parents until well into adulthood isn't making that situation any
> better.  So it becomes important to catch people after they have become
> established as adults and have a little space, but before they marry
> unreasonable spouses (as they invariably do) won't let them own anything
> that they want to own.  There's a narrow window there.
>
>                -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
>
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From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sat Apr 11 19:41:40 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 15:41:40 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: 
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References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
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 <b33f4cd5-0065-416e-934e-6dbfd7cfa030@neurotica.com>
 <CAE=viVr8N20+X2TDtNBm4EodzHH+RJeva_tFVRQoyP6TW2K3jQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d08f69cb-09c5-49a3-a44c-62ed6fb3fba5@neurotica.com>


   That's what divorce attorneys are for.

            -Dave

On 4/11/26 14:28, John Hudak via rescue wrote:
> Just an observation from personal experience...reasonable spouses can 
> become unreasonable.  My PDP 8/E in a full size rack has followed me 
> from grad school (in my apt) and joined along the way by a collection of 
> PDP 11/34s, 73's and assortment of uVax'es (4000/300 and high 
> performance graphics stations) into our house with a good size basement 
> and garage.  As we have an eye to downsizing at this point in life, that 
> question that has become the forcing function is 'what are you going to 
> do with all those machines??? (she is, btw an advanced degree CS major). 
> and the corollary  'You don't turn them on anymore, or if you do, it 
> becomes more of fixing them rather than doing anything with them'.  
>   Hmmm logic vs emotion/enjoyment.   Answers still TBD......(the answer 
> of 'one of these days' begins to sound hollow after many years....)  To 
> each their own....
> 
> Prying the logic analyzer pod ' from my cold dead hands'....lol
> John
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 8:22 AM Dave McGuire via rescue 
> <rescue at sunhelp.org <mailto:rescue at sunhelp.org>> wrote:
> 
>         You're hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;)  We meet people at LSSM
>     all the time, including just yesterday, who have a great interest in
>     all
>     of these systems.
> 
>         Maybe there's some way to get the word out.  The hard part would be
>     weeding out the scumbags who will turn around and put stuff on eBay.
> 
>         One thing I've noticed, though, is that a lot of them are college
>     students who have no space.  The disturbing trend of people living with
>     their parents until well into adulthood isn't making that situation any
>     better.  So it becomes important to catch people after they have become
>     established as adults and have a little space, but before they marry
>     unreasonable spouses (as they invariably do) won't let them own
>     anything
>     that they want to own.  There's a narrow window there.
> 
>                     -Dave
> 
>     -- 
>     Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>     New Kensington, PA
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
>     <http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org


-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From rjtoegel at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 20:06:23 2026
From: rjtoegel at gmail.com (Robert Toegel)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 16:06:23 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <d08f69cb-09c5-49a3-a44c-62ed6fb3fba5@neurotica.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
 <b33f4cd5-0065-416e-934e-6dbfd7cfa030@neurotica.com>
 <CAE=viVr8N20+X2TDtNBm4EodzHH+RJeva_tFVRQoyP6TW2K3jQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d08f69cb-09c5-49a3-a44c-62ed6fb3fba5@neurotica.com>
Message-ID: 
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Yes, Dave.  But remember, marriage is grand, divorce is a hundred grand,
lol.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2026, 15:43 Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org>
wrote:

>
>    That's what divorce attorneys are for.
>
>             -Dave
>
> On 4/11/26 14:28, John Hudak via rescue wrote:
> > Just an observation from personal experience...reasonable spouses can
> > become unreasonable.  My PDP 8/E in a full size rack has followed me
> > from grad school (in my apt) and joined along the way by a collection of
> > PDP 11/34s, 73's and assortment of uVax'es (4000/300 and high
> > performance graphics stations) into our house with a good size basement
> > and garage.  As we have an eye to downsizing at this point in life, that
> > question that has become the forcing function is 'what are you going to
> > do with all those machines??? (she is, btw an advanced degree CS major).
> > and the corollary  'You don't turn them on anymore, or if you do, it
> > becomes more of fixing them rather than doing anything with them'.
> >   Hmmm logic vs emotion/enjoyment.   Answers still TBD......(the answer
> > of 'one of these days' begins to sound hollow after many years....)  To
> > each their own....
> >
> > Prying the logic analyzer pod ' from my cold dead hands'....lol
> > John
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 8:22 AM Dave McGuire via rescue
> > <rescue at sunhelp.org <mailto:rescue at sunhelp.org>> wrote:
> >
> >         You're hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;)  We meet people at
> LSSM
> >     all the time, including just yesterday, who have a great interest in
> >     all
> >     of these systems.
> >
> >         Maybe there's some way to get the word out.  The hard part would
> be
> >     weeding out the scumbags who will turn around and put stuff on eBay.
> >
> >         One thing I've noticed, though, is that a lot of them are college
> >     students who have no space.  The disturbing trend of people living
> with
> >     their parents until well into adulthood isn't making that situation
> any
> >     better.  So it becomes important to catch people after they have
> become
> >     established as adults and have a little space, but before they marry
> >     unreasonable spouses (as they invariably do) won't let them own
> >     anything
> >     that they want to own.  There's a narrow window there.
> >
> >                     -Dave
> >
> >     --
> >     Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> >     New Kensington, PA
> >
> >     _______________________________________________
> >     rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
> >     <http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
>
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>
> _______________________________________________
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From lionel4287 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 20:53:21 2026
From: lionel4287 at gmail.com (Lionel Peterson)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 15:53:21 -0500
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
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I guess that is the 21st century version of las century's "Time to move", LOL

Ken

> On Apr 11, 2026, at 14:43, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> 
> That's what divorce attorneys are for.
> 
>           -Dave

From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sat Apr 11 21:23:18 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 17:23:18 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
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   ROFLMAO

   Yes, apparently!

       -Dave

On 4/11/26 16:53, Lionel Peterson via rescue wrote:
> I guess that is the 21st century version of las century's "Time to move", LOL
> 
> Ken
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2026, at 14:43, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>>
>> That's what divorce attorneys are for.
>>
>>            -Dave
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org


-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From dmoisa at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 00:10:46 2026
From: dmoisa at gmail.com (Dan Moisa)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 17:10:46 -0700
Subject: [rescue] SUN2 types (was Re:  storing old Suns and parts)
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Speaking of SUN2s, there seem to be two types - one with the rasterop and
one without (prime?) Does anyone have both? is one more rare than the
other? any differences at runtime?

Walter your collection is impressive!

On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 4:29 AM Walter Belgers via rescue <
rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:

> > On 9 Apr 2026, at 01:44, Dan Moisa via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> wrote:
> > FWIW I'm collecting* a bunch, and usually interested in sun3,
> Voyager/tadpole and pre-sparc stuff. You don't have to throw it away, just
> pass it on to the next generation :)
>
> It's actually not easy to find interested people (next generation or not)
> that want to take over systems (other than the very unique ones). The
> discussion did make me think about what to do. If there are people out
> there trying to keep systems working and are looking for specific parts,
> send me an e-mail. Note that I am in the Netherlands.
>
> > Would folks be willing to share ls -R of your hoard? Did anyone make an
> index somewhere already?
>
> A short overview. Many systems I have multiple of:
>
> Sun1: Kontron PSI Ψ 9068 with 501-0600 "Sun1.5" CPU board
> Sun2: 2/50, 2/120
> Sun3: 3/50 (with and without dimple), 3/60, 3/75, 3/80, 3/110
> Sun386i: Sun386i/250 with disk expansion
> Sun4: 4/110, 1, 1+, 2, 4, 5, 10, 20, X-terminal 1, Classic, Classic X,
> IPX, IPC, LX, ELC, SLC, SunScreen SPF-100, T-SPARCstation 2, SPARCserver
> 1000
> Ultra: 1, 2, 5, 10, 20, 30, 60
> Blade: 100, 150, 1000, 1500, 2000, 2500 silver, 2500 beige, 2500 red
> Netra: i4, i5, T1/105, T1/AC200, T1000, T2000, X1
> Fire: V100, V210, V250, B1600, X2200
> Server: V20z, V40z
> Portable: Naturetech GENIALstation 737S, Voyager, SPARCbook 3, SPARCbook,
> RDI Powerlite, RDI PrecisionBook
> Ray: 1, 1G, 100, 2, 3
> Javastation: NC (Krups), 1 (Mr Coffee) (both colours)
> Clones: Fujitsu SS5, TRITEC SS20, Tatung SS10, Solair SS5, Solair SS10,
> Axil SS10
> Parts: too many to mention, sbus, VME, mbus, speakers, camera's, suntuner,
> CPUs, disks, SIMMS, ..
> Documentation: boxes full of it
> Media: boxes full of original tapes, CDs and DVDs
> Promo: body warmer, mugs, pens, sled, pens, mouse mats and much more
>
> In the past few days, I tested 25 systems (alle pizza/lunchbox). A few
> need a re-install and three are just dead (of which 2 lunchboxes, which are
> notorious for their PSU's I believe). Also, there's many with the original
> (now empty) NVRAM. I thought I had fixed quite a few, but not nearly as
> much as I thought. I might spend some time on soldering batteries onto a
> lot of NVRAM chips before I shelve them.
>
> Regards,
> Walter.
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
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From mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG  Sun Apr 12 03:37:40 2026
From: mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG (Mouse)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 23:37:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
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>> Just an observation from personal experience...reasonable spouses
>> can become unreasonable.  My PDP 8/E in a full size rack has
>> followed me from grad school (in my apt) and joined along the way by
>> a collection of PDP 11/34s, 73's and assortment of uVax'es (4000/300
>> and high performance graphics stations) into our house with a good
>> size basement and garage.  As we have an eye to downsizing at this
>> point in life, that question that has become the forcing function is
>> 'what are you going to do with all those machines???

Which spouse in that scenario is the one you are (implicitly) calling
unreasonable?

>    That's what divorce attorneys are for.

Well, if computers are more important to you than people.

And that is not a criticism.  I'm not saying there is a should-be
either way.  For me, time was, computers _were_ more important than
people.  Now, I'm unsure (and tending towards "not"), and it's a major
source of uncertainty for me these days.

>> (she is, btw an advanced degree CS major).

Theoreticians don't necessarily understand the practice.  And someone
who does not share an emotional attachment is likely to not understand
it regardless, even if they work with the same things differently.

>> and the corollary 'You don't turn them on anymore, or if you do, it
>> becomes more of fixing them rather than doing anything with them'.

Perhaps explaining that fixing them _is_ doing something with them, to
you?  To most people, computers are just tools.  To us, they are more.
Not everyone understands that, just as not everyone understands any
other emotional hobby attachment, whether bicycling, or model trains,
or Magic: The Gathering, or gardening, or bowling, or whatever.

I use computers as tools.  But I also use computers as hobby objects,
and recognizing the difference, and when I'm doing the one and when the
other (and when both) has improved my life.  Getting my partner to
recognize the hobby-object value and treat it as such has significantly
helped our relationship.

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From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sun Apr 12 03:47:59 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2026 23:47:59 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
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On 4/11/26 23:37, Mouse via rescue wrote:
>>     That's what divorce attorneys are for.
> 
> Well, if computers are more important to you than people.
   That has nothing at all to do with it.  It's about respect.  I would 
never in a million years give so much as the time of day to someone who 
would try to tell me what I can and cannot own, do, or care about. 
That's just wrong, and is a big glaring sign that a marriage is doomed.

   When my wife and I got together ~18 years ago, I told her on no 
uncertain terms that if she ever said anything like that to me, we are 
done, right then and there, no ifs, ands, or buts.  And she said the 
exact same thing applies to me.  And we're both immensely happy, because 
we are living the lives that we want to live, and doing it together.  I 
help her with her stuff, and she helps me with mine.

   It's as simple as that.

              -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG  Sun Apr 12 04:13:39 2026
From: mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG (Mouse)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 00:13:39 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
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>>> That's what divorce attorneys are for.
>> Well, if computers are more important to you than people.
> That has nothing at all to do with it.

Well, perhaps not for you.  I suspect it does for most people.

> It's about respect.  I would never in a million years give so much as
> the time of day to someone who would try to tell me what I can and
> cannot own, do, or care about.

When it impinges on someone else, though, then it becomes that person's
business too, to that extent.  Taking up a significant fraction of a
shared home usually qualifies.  Not always; partners who can reach an
agreement along the lines of "those rooms are yours, and it's none of
my business what you keep in them; these rooms are mine, and the
converse applies" may well do just fine.

In the case of me and my partner, we cannot afford enough space to be
able to do that without cutting back on the quantity of stuff at least
one of us has.  That makes it each of our business what the other
keeps, to the extent necessary to reach agreement on how to allocate
our joint space.

If you've been able to avoid getting caught between the rock of "how
much space can we afford" and the hard place of "how much stuff we
collectively have", great.  Lots of people haven't.

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From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sun Apr 12 04:30:53 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 00:30:53 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
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On 4/12/26 00:13, Mouse via rescue wrote:
>>>> That's what divorce attorneys are for.
>>> Well, if computers are more important to you than people.
>> That has nothing at all to do with it.
> 
> Well, perhaps not for you.  I suspect it does for most people.

   I don't believe that's even remotely possible.  When person #1 tells 
person #2 "I don't like that, so I don't want you to have it" or "I'm 
not interested in that, so you can't be either" has everything to do 
with person #1 not respecting person #2 and wanting to control their 
life.  I simply cannot conceive of any situation, anywhere, with anyone, 
in which such an attitude would be reasonable and I myself would never 
tolerate it for so much as a single moment.  I've ended relationships 
over it, and would do so again immediately if faced with that situation.

    Lots of people think it is reasonable, though.  And they're deluding 
themselves.  They start thinking stuff like "Well, she's right, I guess 
I really don't need this" and crap like that.  They're lying to 
themselves.  If you WANT to have this or that, or if you WANT to do this 
or that, that's enough of a reason.  There are no do-overs in life; 
there will be no other opportunity.

   The basic idea is don't allow yourself to get walked on.  By your 
spouse or life in general.

> If you've been able to avoid getting caught between the rock of "how
> much space can we afford" and the hard place of "how much stuff we
> collectively have", great.  Lots of people haven't.

   It doesn't have to be about "affording" it.  There are always ways to 
get around that, but most people are unwilling to think outside the box 
and take risks, and are too busy doing what they're "supposed" to do. 
Having tons of money is certainly an easy way to get it done, but it's 
far from the only way.

             -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From hauke at Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE  Sun Apr 12 12:24:03 2026
From: hauke at Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE (Hauke Fath)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 14:24:03 +0200
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
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On Sat, 11 Apr 2026 23:37:40 -0400 (EDT), Mouse via rescue wrote:
>>> Just an observation from personal experience...reasonable spouses
>>> can become unreasonable.  My PDP 8/E in a full size rack has
>>> followed me from grad school (in my apt) and joined along the way by
>>> a collection of PDP 11/34s, 73's and assortment of uVax'es (4000/300
>>> and high performance graphics stations) into our house with a good
>>> size basement and garage.  As we have an eye to downsizing at this
>>> point in life, that question that has become the forcing function is
>>> 'what are you going to do with all those machines???
> 
> Which spouse in that scenario is the one you are (implicitly) calling
> unreasonable?

Yes.

Cheerio,
Hauke

-- 
Hauke Fath                        <hauke at Espresso.Rhein-Neckar.DE>
Linnéweg 7
64342 Seeheim-Jugenheim
Germany

From mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG  Sun Apr 12 13:02:18 2026
From: mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG (Mouse)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 09:02:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
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>>>>> That's what divorce attorneys are for.
>>>> Well, if computers are more important to you than people.
>>> That has nothing at all to do with it.
>> Well, perhaps not for you.  I suspect it does for most people.
> I don't believe that's even remotely possible.  When person #1 tells
> person #2 "I don't like that, so I don't want you to have it" or "I'm
> not interested in that, so you can't be either"

Oh!  Yes, that, I would agree with.  That's not the sort of thing I've
been dealing with in my life.  Only the OP can say which is closer to
the original situation...though now that I go back and reread it, the
original wording ("won't let them own anything that they want to own")
reads to me closer to what you say than to what I was talking about.

My partner would have been fine with my keeping the whole collection I
had when we met IF we had the space and money to keep it all.  I would
be fine with her keeping all the things she keeps that I see little
point in IF we had the space (and/or money, which we would convert to
space) for it all.

Yes, I would say that those who try to restrict what their partners own
and do not because of the pragmatics of it (such as space occupied) but
because they don't understand or don't share the emotional attachment
behind it, they are being excessive.

My apologies.  I was projecting my own situation onto what the OP said.

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From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sun Apr 12 14:16:31 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 10:16:31 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: <202604121302.JAA29114@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
 <b33f4cd5-0065-416e-934e-6dbfd7cfa030@neurotica.com>
 <CAE=viVr8N20+X2TDtNBm4EodzHH+RJeva_tFVRQoyP6TW2K3jQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d08f69cb-09c5-49a3-a44c-62ed6fb3fba5@neurotica.com>
 <202604120337.XAA01524@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
 <6ba19e20-89b2-483b-97b8-147b8963736a@neurotica.com>
 <202604120413.AAA22487@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
 <6851b605-e07b-421e-b360-114fdb1e70f6@neurotica.com>
 <202604121302.JAA29114@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG>
Message-ID: <31f54ab5-514a-4281-858f-381d235627b4@neurotica.com>

On 4/12/26 09:02, Mouse via rescue wrote:
>>>>>> That's what divorce attorneys are for.
>>>>> Well, if computers are more important to you than people.
>>>> That has nothing at all to do with it.
>>> Well, perhaps not for you.  I suspect it does for most people.
>> I don't believe that's even remotely possible.  When person #1 tells
>> person #2 "I don't like that, so I don't want you to have it" or "I'm
>> not interested in that, so you can't be either"
> 
> Oh!  Yes, that, I would agree with.  That's not the sort of thing I've
> been dealing with in my life.  Only the OP can say which is closer to
> the original situation...though now that I go back and reread it, the
> original wording ("won't let them own anything that they want to own")
> reads to me closer to what you say than to what I was talking about.
> 
> My partner would have been fine with my keeping the whole collection I
> had when we met IF we had the space and money to keep it all.  I would
> be fine with her keeping all the things she keeps that I see little
> point in IF we had the space (and/or money, which we would convert to
> space) for it all.
> 
> Yes, I would say that those who try to restrict what their partners own
> and do not because of the pragmatics of it (such as space occupied) but
> because they don't understand or don't share the emotional attachment
> behind it, they are being excessive.
> 
> My apologies.  I was projecting my own situation onto what the OP said.

   No apology is necessary; it was a simple misunderstanding!

             -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sun Apr 12 14:16:31 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 10:16:31 -0400
Subject: [rescue] storing old Suns and parts
In-Reply-To: 
 <CAO0RnQ772erTWEJdkJ026YCpaYjmFdqf8+2CXJ976LNEdRyFmg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <35540169-52DA-4F26-B656-D20C7D3C2741@snowmoose.com>
 <D8D1F93F-D0EF-4DEB-AFA9-898E63D6A4DB@gmail.com>
 <CADYpaMOZhF6mdts+TaqLZPf5vr4RN12akqKj0TD+6Nq_9a6WUA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BD597F59-8235-4104-8DAC-3992849AABD9@belgers.com>
 <b33f4cd5-0065-416e-934e-6dbfd7cfa030@neurotica.com>
 <CAE=viVr8N20+X2TDtNBm4EodzHH+RJeva_tFVRQoyP6TW2K3jQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <d08f69cb-09c5-49a3-a44c-62ed6fb3fba5@neurotica.com>
 <CAO0RnQ772erTWEJdkJ026YCpaYjmFdqf8+2CXJ976LNEdRyFmg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cfbeac6d-68e6-4650-95ed-52a3e31fb733@neurotica.com>


   coffee -> keyboard

On 4/11/26 16:06, Robert Toegel wrote:
> Yes, Dave.  But remember, marriage is grand, divorce is a hundred grand, 
> lol.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2026, 15:43 Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org 
> <mailto:rescue at sunhelp.org>> wrote:
> 
> 
>         That's what divorce attorneys are for.
> 
>                  -Dave
> 
>     On 4/11/26 14:28, John Hudak via rescue wrote:
>      > Just an observation from personal experience...reasonable spouses
>     can
>      > become unreasonable.  My PDP 8/E in a full size rack has followed me
>      > from grad school (in my apt) and joined along the way by a
>     collection of
>      > PDP 11/34s, 73's and assortment of uVax'es (4000/300 and high
>      > performance graphics stations) into our house with a good size
>     basement
>      > and garage.  As we have an eye to downsizing at this point in
>     life, that
>      > question that has become the forcing function is 'what are you
>     going to
>      > do with all those machines??? (she is, btw an advanced degree CS
>     major).
>      > and the corollary  'You don't turn them on anymore, or if you do, it
>      > becomes more of fixing them rather than doing anything with them'.
>      >   Hmmm logic vs emotion/enjoyment.   Answers still TBD......(the
>     answer
>      > of 'one of these days' begins to sound hollow after many
>     years....)  To
>      > each their own....
>      >
>      > Prying the logic analyzer pod ' from my cold dead hands'....lol
>      > John
>      >
>      >
>      > On Sat, Apr 11, 2026 at 8:22 AM Dave McGuire via rescue
>      > <rescue at sunhelp.org <mailto:rescue at sunhelp.org>
>     <mailto:rescue at sunhelp.org <mailto:rescue at sunhelp.org>>> wrote:
>      >
>      >         You're hanging out with the wrong crowd. ;)  We meet
>     people at LSSM
>      >     all the time, including just yesterday, who have a great
>     interest in
>      >     all
>      >     of these systems.
>      >
>      >         Maybe there's some way to get the word out.  The hard
>     part would be
>      >     weeding out the scumbags who will turn around and put stuff
>     on eBay.
>      >
>      >         One thing I've noticed, though, is that a lot of them are
>     college
>      >     students who have no space.  The disturbing trend of people
>     living with
>      >     their parents until well into adulthood isn't making that
>     situation any
>      >     better.  So it becomes important to catch people after they
>     have become
>      >     established as adults and have a little space, but before
>     they marry
>      >     unreasonable spouses (as they invariably do) won't let them own
>      >     anything
>      >     that they want to own.  There's a narrow window there.
>      >
>      >                     -Dave
>      >
>      >     --
>      >     Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>      >     New Kensington, PA
>      >
>      >     _______________________________________________
>      >     rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/
>     rescue_sunhelp.org <http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/
>     rescue_sunhelp.org>
>      >     <http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
>     <http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org>>
>      >
>      >
>      > _______________________________________________
>      > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/
>     rescue_sunhelp.org <http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/
>     rescue_sunhelp.org>
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>     New Kensington, PA
> 
>     _______________________________________________
>     rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
>     <http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org>
> 


-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From michael.99.thompson at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 16:07:18 2026
From: michael.99.thompson at gmail.com (Michael Thompson)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 12:07:18 -0400
Subject: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 281, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16.1776003442.3557780.rescue_sunhelp.org@sunhelp.org>
References: <mailman.16.1776003442.3557780.rescue_sunhelp.org@sunhelp.org>
Message-ID: 
 <CAH1BU=_oFeq5wKi30E3dS4e+PTh_LCTbM_h4xzA4YvwCAo945g@mail.gmail.com>

My wife will be a lot happier when Dave finally visits to clean out my Sun
and SGI collection....


> --
Michael Thompson
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From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sun Apr 12 16:13:09 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 12:13:09 -0400
Subject: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 281, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: 
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References: <mailman.16.1776003442.3557780.rescue_sunhelp.org@sunhelp.org>
 <CAH1BU=_oFeq5wKi30E3dS4e+PTh_LCTbM_h4xzA4YvwCAo945g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1d037429-089c-4df4-adfe-3817737dacda@neurotica.com>

On 4/12/26 12:07, Michael Thompson via rescue wrote:
> My wife will be a lot happier when Dave finally visits to clean out my 
> Sun and SGI collection....

   I really wanted to get that done last year.  But...Winter, and now 
$6/gal diesel.  LSSM operates on other peoples' money, so we have to be 
responsible with it.  Now that this awful winter is behind us, I'll be 
watching the fuel prices very carefully.

             -Dave

-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From lionel4287 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 16:43:59 2026
From: lionel4287 at gmail.com (Lionel Peterson)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 11:43:59 -0500
Subject: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 281, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <1d037429-089c-4df4-adfe-3817737dacda@neurotica.com>
References: <1d037429-089c-4df4-adfe-3817737dacda@neurotica.com>
Message-ID: <7D3CEFF5-5EE3-4F9C-B530-F6F900949A00@gmail.com>

I bet his wife would toss in a few $ to make the stuff go away... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 

Ken

> On Apr 12, 2026, at 11:14, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> 
> On 4/12/26 12:07, Michael Thompson via rescue wrote:
>> My wife will be a lot happier when Dave finally visits to clean out my Sun and SGI collection....
> 
>  I really wanted to get that done last year.  But...Winter, and now $6/gal diesel.  LSSM operates on other peoples' money, so we have to be responsible with it.  Now that this awful winter is behind us, I'll be watching the fuel prices very carefully.
> 
>            -Dave
> 
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org

From mcguire at neurotica.com  Sun Apr 12 16:57:30 2026
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 12:57:30 -0400
Subject: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 281, Issue 11
In-Reply-To: <7D3CEFF5-5EE3-4F9C-B530-F6F900949A00@gmail.com>
References: <1d037429-089c-4df4-adfe-3817737dacda@neurotica.com>
 <7D3CEFF5-5EE3-4F9C-B530-F6F900949A00@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0b5095af-c334-4eb9-9a0d-6d475e118e60@neurotica.com>


   coffee -> keyboard

On 4/12/26 12:43, Lionel Peterson via rescue wrote:
> I bet his wife would toss in a few $ to make the stuff go away... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> 
> Ken
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2026, at 11:14, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 4/12/26 12:07, Michael Thompson via rescue wrote:
>>> My wife will be a lot happier when Dave finally visits to clean out my Sun and SGI collection....
>>
>>   I really wanted to get that done last year.  But...Winter, and now $6/gal diesel.  LSSM operates on other peoples' money, so we have to be responsible with it.  Now that this awful winter is behind us, I'll be watching the fuel prices very carefully.
>>
>>             -Dave
>>
>> --
>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>> New Kensington, PA
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org


-- 
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

From michael.99.thompson at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 17:56:23 2026
From: michael.99.thompson at gmail.com (Michael Thompson)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 13:56:23 -0400
Subject: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 281, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: <mailman.20.1776013098.3557778.rescue_sunhelp.org@sunhelp.org>
References: <mailman.20.1776013098.3557778.rescue_sunhelp.org@sunhelp.org>
Message-ID: 
 <CAH1BU=8S16XASKqeYBU-Set6Qv+dRw=F4x6VoDbQZYwRh3+3EQ@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if I could fill up a PODS and send it your way?


From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com>
>
>    I really wanted to get that done last year.  But...Winter, and now
> $6/gal diesel.  LSSM operates on other peoples' money, so we have to be
> responsible with it.  Now that this awful winter is behind us, I'll be
> watching the fuel prices very carefully.
>
>              -Dave
>
> --
> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
>

-- 
Michael Thompson
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From lionel4287 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 19:21:09 2026
From: lionel4287 at gmail.com (Lionel Peterson)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2026 14:21:09 -0500
Subject: [rescue] rescue Digest, Vol 281, Issue 12
In-Reply-To: 
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References: 
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From merlyn at geeks.org  Sat Apr 18 18:27:04 2026
From: merlyn at geeks.org (Doug McIntyre)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2026 13:27:04 -0500
Subject: [rescue] Really Misc Sun Parts
Message-ID: <aePM-ALIwopzMgjy@geeks.org>


Cleaning out my storage, got to the misc stuff just sitting around.

If anybody wants this, would prefer for one big shipment of everything
out, Could possibly split it into a few of them. Or local pickup. 
Located in a suburb of Minneapolis, MN. 55427


* SunPCi 375-0095 400MHz CO-PCI Card
* Sun 501-2741 SE Ultra Wide SCSI / FastEthernet PCI Adapter X1032A

* Antares 20-050-0050 Rev B SBUS Wide SCSI card
* Sun 270-2739-02 Rev 1 SBUS 100base-tx, fastwide scsi card
* Integrix TGX200 SBUS TGX Framebuffer

* Sun Microphone 370-1414-01 (in box)
* Sun Audio Breakout cable 530-1594-01 

* Used Sun Microsystems floppy mouse pad
* Sun NEP 403104-001 Optical Mouse Pad (This is the older larger pitch optical pad)
* 3 x Sun TFI 403368-002 Optical Mouse Pad (This is the finer pitch optical pad).

Yet more cables
* 3 x Generic 3W13 to VGA cable
* 13W3 to 13W3 cable
* Sun branded DB50 M-F SCSI cable
* 4 x Wide External SCSI cables
* Wide to Narrow External SCSI cable
* 2 x Narrow SCSI to Narrow SCSI cable
* Narrow SCSI to Centronics SCSI cable
* External Narrow SCSI to Wide SCSI Adapter
* Internal Narrow SCSI to 50-pin internal SCSI adapter
* 2 x VHDCI SCSI Terminators


From msamit at gmail.com  Sat Apr 18 21:05:16 2026
From: msamit at gmail.com (Safar Mashtizadeh)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2026 14:05:16 -0700
Subject: [rescue] Really Misc Sun Parts
In-Reply-To: <aePM-ALIwopzMgjy@geeks.org>
References: <aePM-ALIwopzMgjy@geeks.org>
Message-ID: <8FAF73C4-EE47-490B-8FB4-E8FA7D7A5D96@gmail.com>

Hello,
I would be interested in some or all. 
Still we are using Sun systems for testing and development. 
Best,
Safar. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 18, 2026, at 11:28 AM, Doug McIntyre via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Cleaning out my storage, got to the misc stuff just sitting around.
> 
> If anybody wants this, would prefer for one big shipment of everything
> out, Could possibly split it into a few of them. Or local pickup.
> Located in a suburb of Minneapolis, MN. 55427
> 
> 
> * SunPCi 375-0095 400MHz CO-PCI Card
> * Sun 501-2741 SE Ultra Wide SCSI / FastEthernet PCI Adapter X1032A
> 
> * Antares 20-050-0050 Rev B SBUS Wide SCSI card
> * Sun 270-2739-02 Rev 1 SBUS 100base-tx, fastwide scsi card
> * Integrix TGX200 SBUS TGX Framebuffer
> 
> * Sun Microphone 370-1414-01 (in box)
> * Sun Audio Breakout cable 530-1594-01
> 
> * Used Sun Microsystems floppy mouse pad
> * Sun NEP 403104-001 Optical Mouse Pad (This is the older larger pitch optical pad)
> * 3 x Sun TFI 403368-002 Optical Mouse Pad (This is the finer pitch optical pad).
> 
> Yet more cables
> * 3 x Generic 3W13 to VGA cable
> * 13W3 to 13W3 cable
> * Sun branded DB50 M-F SCSI cable
> * 4 x Wide External SCSI cables
> * Wide to Narrow External SCSI cable
> * 2 x Narrow SCSI to Narrow SCSI cable
> * Narrow SCSI to Centronics SCSI cable
> * External Narrow SCSI to Wide SCSI Adapter
> * Internal Narrow SCSI to 50-pin internal SCSI adapter
> * 2 x VHDCI SCSI Terminators
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org