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[Lionel Peterson]

Dave the "technical people" that said things like that were typically MCSE "engineers"... calling them "technical" was a bit of a stretch.

Actually, I usually heard that line from "software types" when they were trying to relate to/bond with actual system admins that were trying to help them.

Ken

> On Jan 8, 2025, at 12:36, Dave McGuire via rescue <rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote:
> 
> On 1/8/25 13:27, Mouse via rescue wrote:
>>> Yeah that was always BS.  People just wouldn't take the five minutes
>>> required to learn about what termination is and how to apply it.
>> It actually was remarkably tolerant.  I have discovered
>> triple-terminated SCSI working just fine.  I think I even once saw a
>> quadruply-terminated SCSI bus working.
> 
>  Yes, and that was by design.  I don't mean to say that over-termination is supported by the design, which it is not, but the design is deliberately resilient enough to handle it.
> 
>>> Doubly hilarious were the retards who loudly asserted that "IDE is
>>> superior because it doesn't need those annoying terminators".
>> As much as I sympathize with (and mostly share) your point of view,
>> actually, from the end user's point of view, that is correct: if the
>> end user doesn't have to even think about such things, it *is*
>> superior...for most users.  Most users would rather have simple-to-use
>> over complex-to-use, even at the price of performance, flexibility, and
>> complexity under the hood.  Witness USB. :-(
> 
>  Agreed.  But supposed *technical people* were saying crap like that. I'm not talking about nontechnical end users.
> 
>>> Because the n00bs who designed the IDE interface didn't understand
>>> transmission line theory or impedance matching well enough to design
>>> it into the interface does not mean it is "superior".
>> They understood it well enough to design an interface that would work
>> without it.  (I suspect this mostly meant limiting cable lengths and
>> speeds, but I'm not a transmission-line engineer.)
> 
>  Everything about the design says that they didn't understand one whit of it, and didn't understand mass storage interfaces in general. Absolutely nothing about it was a good idea.
> 
>               -Dave
> 
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> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
> New Kensington, PA
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