From msamit at gmail.com Tue Feb 4 15:23:33 2025 From: msamit at gmail.com (Safar Mashtizadeh) Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2025 12:23:33 -0800 Subject: [rescue] Spring OS, Message-ID: Hello Everyone, I'm looking for a copy of "Spring OS" source code .It can go on Sparc one and some other early Sun-Microsystems as well . Please let me know . Regards, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jdboyd at jdboyd.net Wed Feb 5 19:01:31 2025 From: jdboyd at jdboyd.net (Joshua Boyd) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2025 19:01:31 -0500 Subject: [rescue] SGI Origin 2000 listed for Sale Message-ID: https://www.reddit.com/r/SiliconGraphics/comments/1ihmrgk/16processor_origin2000_for_sale_runs_located_in/ Listed by Dave Fischer.? Is he still on this list? From wlewisiii at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 04:51:29 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 03:51:29 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? Message-ID: Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. Very little info in the listing: " VERY RARE Complete Axil 320 SUN SPARCstation 20 Clone w/Ross TurboGX SCSI Powers Please see pictures for condition. Customer Trade-in. Tested to Power only and unit does power. Sold as-is due to the nature of this product." Photos of the motherboard shows a Ross Mbus module a S-bus SCSI card (I think) and a TGX video card and 5 sticks of ram. Floppy but no drives. Cables are 68 pin narrow SCSI. Dirty but they say it powers up. It's somewhat tempting. Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. William -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From peter at ashlyn.co.uk Sun Feb 9 05:08:53 2025 From: peter at ashlyn.co.uk (Peter Stokes) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 10:08:53 +0000 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48C79597-EECE-4095-8ABB-478906BB8CC4@ashlyn.co.uk> Hi William We sold them back in the day. From memory they are full clones of the 20 so should be fully compatible with Solaris installs etc and not require any special software. This was a time when Sun licensed the designs out and I seem to remember visiting Axil manufacturing on a visit to the US? Peter Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Feb 2025, at 09:53, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > ?Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 > clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was > a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. > > Very little info in the listing: " VERY RARE Complete Axil 320 SUN > SPARCstation 20 Clone w/Ross TurboGX SCSI Powers > Please see pictures for condition. Customer Trade-in. Tested to Power > only and unit does power. Sold as-is due to the nature of this > product." > > Photos of the motherboard shows a Ross Mbus module a S-bus SCSI card > (I think) and a TGX video card and 5 sticks of ram. Floppy but no > drives. Cables are 68 pin narrow SCSI. Dirty but they say it powers > up. It's somewhat tempting. > > Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what > the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see > anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. > > William > -- > https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > like no-one is watching. > Alex White > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org From mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG Sun Feb 9 05:32:37 2025 From: mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG (Mouse) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 05:32:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <48C79597-EECE-4095-8ABB-478906BB8CC4@ashlyn.co.uk> References: <48C79597-EECE-4095-8ABB-478906BB8CC4@ashlyn.co.uk> Message-ID: <202502091032.FAA04041@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> >> ???Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 >> clone. [...] I once had an Axil machine, but I think mine was an SS2 clone. (I _think_ I don't have any pizza-box Suns except SS20s any longer; fairly sure I don't have the Axil.) >> Cables are 68 pin narrow SCSI. ...huh? I thought narrow SCSI was 50-pin, with 68-pin being wide. > We sold them back in the day. From memory they are full clones of the 20 so $ I'm fairly sure my SS2-clone Axil behaved just like an SS2 from a software perspective, but I never really pushed the envelope; for example, I think I never tried to boot any Sun software on it, only NetBSD. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B From wlewisiii at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 05:39:16 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 04:39:16 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <202502091032.FAA04041@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> References: <48C79597-EECE-4095-8ABB-478906BB8CC4@ashlyn.co.uk> <202502091032.FAA04041@Stone.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Message-ID: (68 vs 50 pin) That was probably just a brain fart on my part, I'm at work at the hotel, night shift. Thanks for the info, both of you. On Sun, Feb 9, 2025 at 4:33?AM Mouse via rescue wrote: William -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From ama at ugr.es Sun Feb 9 05:40:13 2025 From: ama at ugr.es (Angel M Alganza) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2025 11:40:13 +0100 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9222e7bd8c7bfcef7fcb317146ea16c0@ugr.es> On 2025-02-09 10:51, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what > the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see > anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. The Axil320 was my first Sparcstation ever. I got it for free from someone who had replaced it with a PC running MICROS~1 DOS as their workstation. I cannot tell whether it was running SunOS or Solaris when I got it, but it was running one of them just fine. After playing around with it a little, though, I decided to try Debian GNU/Linux on it, which I was more familiar with. It run very well, and it was my main workstation at work for a few years, also running a webserver with my web page at work. I decommissioned it after I got an Ultra 1, an LX, and a PC, and I brought it home, where I tried OpenBSD on it, which also run very nicely. I packed it well and it's been in storage already for a few years. Cheers. ?ngel From walter+rescue at belgers.com Sun Feb 9 08:29:40 2025 From: walter+rescue at belgers.com (Walter Belgers) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 14:29:40 +0100 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34016114-D5F6-4F2A-8FB3-690285F520DA@belgers.com> Hi, > On 9 Feb 2025, at 10:51, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 > clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was > a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. I have two Axils, clones of the SS10 and SS5. I've used it with Solaris as if it were a genuine Sun. No problems. Regards, Walter. From alanp at snowmoose.com Sun Feb 9 08:59:59 2025 From: alanp at snowmoose.com (Alan Perry) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 05:59:59 -0800 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <992C57D3-F9CB-4746-B5B6-C310FA251962@snowmoose.com> I have a 320. The material from Axil describe it as a SS20 clone but it somewhere between a 10 and 20. For example, it uses 50-pin SCSI HDDs, not SCA. I think I have Solaris 2.6 installed on it, but it may be 7. It was my OPENSTEP machine for a while but than only runs one processor so it was a waste to run it on the 320. The version of Solaris on it now has Axil support option(s?). I also have an Axil 220, which is nominally a LX clone but is more shoebox than lunchbox size. It has a damaged system board and doesn?t boot. Axil had a follow-on called the 245 and a 220 upgrade option that replaced the system board with a 245 one. I am still looking for either board. alan > On Feb 9, 2025, at 01:53, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > ?Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 > clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was > a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. > > Very little info in the listing: " VERY RARE Complete Axil 320 SUN > SPARCstation 20 Clone w/Ross TurboGX SCSI Powers > Please see pictures for condition. Customer Trade-in. Tested to Power > only and unit does power. Sold as-is due to the nature of this > product." > > Photos of the motherboard shows a Ross Mbus module a S-bus SCSI card > (I think) and a TGX video card and 5 sticks of ram. Floppy but no > drives. Cables are 68 pin narrow SCSI. Dirty but they say it powers > up. It's somewhat tempting. > > Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what > the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see > anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. > > William > -- > https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > like no-one is watching. > Alex White > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org From johanvz978 at giantfoo.org Sun Feb 9 09:16:43 2025 From: johanvz978 at giantfoo.org (Johan van Zanten) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2025 15:16:43 +0100 (CET) Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20250209.151643.486634180554028976.johan@giantfoo.org> William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 > clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was > a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. > Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what > the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see > anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. I dimly remember working with a few clones back in the 90s and early 00s, Axil and Tatung. I don't recall any significant functional differences as far as how they ran SunOS 4 or 5. The hardware design and build seemed more barebones, like just a "normal" PC clone, distinctly different from the snazzier Sun designs with the lilac-colored highlights, beveled edges, (etc.) that appeared with the sun4, SPARC-based machines. Although, ironically, the klunky metal cases of the clones may have held up better over time compared with the plastic waffle-side cases of the real Sun machines. While i trust my 30-year-old recollection that the Axil clones were functionally the same, i doubt every last component was fully compatible, and -- totally just speculating -- i would advise a little caution around potentially Axil-specific components like EEPROMs. I think some RAM and CPUs would be interchangeable between the cloned models and their originals (like the Axil 320 & SPARC 20), but other components could be very different. Axil may have used an alternative to Sun OpenBOOT PROM, too. There's some info in the URLs below; of particular note in the second (sidneys1.com) about a different machine , the Axil Ultima 1: "Perhaps the saddest story here, and a testament to the quality and reliability of original Sun hardware, this Sun clone initially had some struggles booting, and wouldn?t recognize keyboard input. After a couple power cycles, however, it stopped booting altogether." https://boxes-of-tat.blogspot.com/p/axil-320-sparcstation-20-clone-hieracium.html https://sidneys1.com/retrocomputing/2024/10/04/booting-sun-sparc-servers.html best, johan From phils at caerllewys.net Sun Feb 9 11:53:59 2025 From: phils at caerllewys.net (Phil Stracchino) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 11:53:59 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75c0a840-51ad-433e-a95f-33111b639fea@caerllewys.net> On 2/9/25 04:51, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 > clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was > a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. That's a blast from the past! I think I might have used one of that exact model at Cardima, because of tight budget that wouldn't stretch to actual Sun gear. -- Phil Stracchino Fenian House Publishing phils at caerllewys.net phil at co.ordinate.org Landline: +1.603.293.8485 Mobile: +1.603.998.6958 From mcguire at neurotica.com Sun Feb 9 12:05:38 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 12:05:38 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70b91e16-4bd2-444d-a0e5-7e1de390dcc3@neurotica.com> On 2/9/25 04:51, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 > clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was > a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. > > Very little info in the listing: " VERY RARE Complete Axil 320 SUN > SPARCstation 20 Clone w/Ross TurboGX SCSI Powers > Please see pictures for condition. Customer Trade-in. Tested to Power > only and unit does power. Sold as-is due to the nature of this > product." > > Photos of the motherboard shows a Ross Mbus module a S-bus SCSI card > (I think) and a TGX video card and 5 sticks of ram. Floppy but no > drives. Cables are 68 pin narrow SCSI. Dirty but they say it powers > up. It's somewhat tempting. > > Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what > the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see > anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. We deployed hundreds of these at Digex, along with Axil 245s. Both are fantastic machines. They're built like tanks and are very reliable. I am a somewhat large man, and I could literally jump up and down on one of those machines. They also have excellent cooling. The Axil 320 is basically an SS20 with 50-pin SCSI instead of 68-pin. The Axil 245 is an SS5 with the same difference, in a smaller enclosure. We used these interchangeably with Sun SS20 and SS5 machines, with no issues. We never saw any incompatibilities at all. We were running SunOS4 and NetBSD on them. (again there's no point to running Solaris on these sun4m machines; nobody but the most n00b people did that back in the day...it just makes them slow as molasses) They made a variant of the 320 called the 420. It was an enhancement to the Sun SS20 that added an additional address bit to the memory subsystem, to support 1GB of RAM. It used a different kvm tree but ran otherwise unmodified SunOS. We had a prototype 420 at Digex, loaded with 1GB. That was practically unheard of in a small computer in 1996. It went home with one of the Digexers in the end, but none of them have yet admitted to it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From alanp at snowmoose.com Sun Feb 9 12:09:19 2025 From: alanp at snowmoose.com (Alan Perry) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 09:09:19 -0800 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1a03dc5a-39a8-4250-8ff0-f8777df034b7@snowmoose.com> Here is a list of mbus modules - http://mbus.sunhelp.org/modules/index.htm The Ross stuff is the HyperSPARC section at the end. Unfortunately the photo angles are wrong for both the eBay listing and the likely mbus modules in the above link to say for sure, but my guess is that it is a HM66S-256. alan On 2/9/25 1:51 AM, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what > the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see > anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. > > William From ab1244 at yahoo.com Sun Feb 9 12:34:28 2025 From: ab1244 at yahoo.com (Michael Dombrowski) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 11:34:28 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <1a03dc5a-39a8-4250-8ff0-f8777df034b7@snowmoose.com> References: <1a03dc5a-39a8-4250-8ff0-f8777df034b7@snowmoose.com> Message-ID: I can't comment on which CPU that is, but I noticed that nylon screws are used to secure the sbus/mbus modules. What an improvement, I can't stand the sun flip up retainers Mike > On Feb 9, 2025, at 11:10?AM, Alan Perry via rescue wrote: > > ?Here is a list of mbus modules - http://mbus.sunhelp.org/modules/index.htm > > The Ross stuff is the HyperSPARC section at the end. Unfortunately the photo angles are wrong for both the eBay listing and the likely mbus modules in the above link to say for sure, but my guess is that it is a HM66S-256. > > alan > >> On 2/9/25 1:51 AM, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> >> Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what >> the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see >> anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. >> >> William > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org From peter at ashlyn.co.uk Sun Feb 9 12:48:28 2025 From: peter at ashlyn.co.uk (Peter Stokes) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 17:48:28 +0000 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <70b91e16-4bd2-444d-a0e5-7e1de390dcc3@neurotica.com> References: <70b91e16-4bd2-444d-a0e5-7e1de390dcc3@neurotica.com> Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone > On 9 Feb 2025, at 17:07, Dave McGuire via rescue wrote: > > ?On 2/9/25 04:51, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 >> clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was >> a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. >> Very little info in the listing: " VERY RARE Complete Axil 320 SUN >> SPARCstation 20 Clone w/Ross TurboGX SCSI Powers >> Please see pictures for condition. Customer Trade-in. Tested to Power >> only and unit does power. Sold as-is due to the nature of this >> product." >> Photos of the motherboard shows a Ross Mbus module a S-bus SCSI card >> (I think) and a TGX video card and 5 sticks of ram. Floppy but no >> drives. Cables are 68 pin narrow SCSI. Dirty but they say it powers >> up. It's somewhat tempting. >> Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what >> the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see >> anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. > > We deployed hundreds of these at Digex, along with Axil 245s. Both are fantastic machines. They're built like tanks and are very reliable. I am a somewhat large man, and I could literally jump up and down on one of those machines. They also have excellent cooling. > > The Axil 320 is basically an SS20 with 50-pin SCSI instead of 68-pin. The Axil 245 is an SS5 with the same difference, in a smaller enclosure. > > We used these interchangeably with Sun SS20 and SS5 machines, with no issues. We never saw any incompatibilities at all. We were running SunOS4 and NetBSD on them. (again there's no point to running Solaris on these sun4m machines; nobody but the most n00b people did that back in the day...it just makes them slow as molasses) > > They made a variant of the 320 called the 420. It was an enhancement to the Sun SS20 that added an additional address bit to the memory subsystem, to support 1GB of RAM. It used a different kvm tree but ran otherwise unmodified SunOS. We had a prototype 420 at Digex, loaded with 1GB. That was practically unheard of in a small computer in 1996. It went home with one of the Digexers in the end, but none of them have yet admitted to it. > > -Dave Hi Dave I had always assumed the SS20 had narrow SCSI not wide internally? Even though the internal connector was SCA. Peter From alanp at snowmoose.com Sun Feb 9 13:13:22 2025 From: alanp at snowmoose.com (Alan Perry) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 10:13:22 -0800 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B6A9F80-3B68-496B-9F1A-4DE8A15D575C@snowmoose.com> I have done so much mixing and matching that I can?t remember what was in my Axil 320 when I got it. It has two SM61s in it now. There are a Ross 133MHz and 150MHz in my SS20 now. But, in addition to what those systems came with when I got them, a decade ago I bought a lot of Sun stuff that included mbus modules and also I did a rescue with a dozen Sun pizza boxes that I mixed and matched to make 9-10 running systems out of (and then gave them away for shipping costs). So who knows what those boxes originally came with. > On Feb 9, 2025, at 09:35, Michael Dombrowski via rescue wrote: > > ?I can't comment on which CPU that is, but I noticed that nylon screws are used to secure the sbus/mbus modules. What an improvement, I can't stand the sun flip up retainers > Mike > >> On Feb 9, 2025, at 11:10?AM, Alan Perry via rescue wrote: >> >> ?Here is a list of mbus modules - http://mbus.sunhelp.org/modules/index.htm >> >> The Ross stuff is the HyperSPARC section at the end. Unfortunately the photo angles are wrong for both the eBay listing and the likely mbus modules in the above link to say for sure, but my guess is that it is a HM66S-256. >> >> alan >> >>>> On 2/9/25 1:51 AM, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >>> >>> Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what >>> the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see >>> anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. >>> >>> William >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org > > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org From mikes at aalin.co.uk Sun Feb 9 13:46:57 2025 From: mikes at aalin.co.uk (Mike Spooner) Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2025 18:46:57 +0000 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: <70b91e16-4bd2-444d-a0e5-7e1de390dcc3@neurotica.com> Message-ID: <15F5B22B-9396-4FF6-BA10-56C6D62FA0D7@aalin.co.uk> Yes, the SS20 and SS5 were Fast-Narrow SCSI (same "esp" chip as in the SS10), connected to drives via an 80-pin SCA connector. -- Mike On 9 February 2025 17:48:28 GMT, Peter Stokes via rescue wrote: > >Sent from my iPhone > >> On 9 Feb 2025, at 17:07, Dave McGuire via rescue wrote: >> >> ?On 2/9/25 04:51, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >>> Snooping on Eprey, I saw a listing for an Axil320 Sparcstation 20 >>> clone. Not a whole lot of info online that I find, apparently Axil was >>> a Hyundai subsidiary? And it's supposed to be an exact clone. >>> Very little info in the listing: " VERY RARE Complete Axil 320 SUN >>> SPARCstation 20 Clone w/Ross TurboGX SCSI Powers >>> Please see pictures for condition. Customer Trade-in. Tested to Power >>> only and unit does power. Sold as-is due to the nature of this >>> product." >>> Photos of the motherboard shows a Ross Mbus module a S-bus SCSI card >>> (I think) and a TGX video card and 5 sticks of ram. Floppy but no >>> drives. Cables are 68 pin narrow SCSI. Dirty but they say it powers >>> up. It's somewhat tempting. >>> Anyone have experience with this model of clone? Anyway to tell what >>> the module is from the part number on it? 323-0014-01. Didn't see >>> anything on Axil or Ross at Bitsavers, alas. >> >> We deployed hundreds of these at Digex, along with Axil 245s. Both are fantastic machines. They're built like tanks and are very reliable. I am a somewhat large man, and I could literally jump up and down on one of those machines. They also have excellent cooling. >> >> The Axil 320 is basically an SS20 with 50-pin SCSI instead of 68-pin. The Axil 245 is an SS5 with the same difference, in a smaller enclosure. >> >> We used these interchangeably with Sun SS20 and SS5 machines, with no issues. We never saw any incompatibilities at all. We were running SunOS4 and NetBSD on them. (again there's no point to running Solaris on these sun4m machines; nobody but the most n00b people did that back in the day...it just makes them slow as molasses) >> >> They made a variant of the 320 called the 420. It was an enhancement to the Sun SS20 that added an additional address bit to the memory subsystem, to support 1GB of RAM. It used a different kvm tree but ran otherwise unmodified SunOS. We had a prototype 420 at Digex, loaded with 1GB. That was practically unheard of in a small computer in 1996. It went home with one of the Digexers in the end, but none of them have yet admitted to it. >> >> -Dave >Hi Dave > >I had always assumed the SS20 had narrow SCSI not wide internally? Even though the internal connector was SCA. > >Peter > >_______________________________________________ >rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wlewisiii at gmail.com Sun Feb 9 17:52:14 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 16:52:14 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <15F5B22B-9396-4FF6-BA10-56C6D62FA0D7@aalin.co.uk> References: <70b91e16-4bd2-444d-a0e5-7e1de390dcc3@neurotica.com> <15F5B22B-9396-4FF6-BA10-56C6D62FA0D7@aalin.co.uk> Message-ID: Wow! get up for the day and find lots of great information! Now to see if it's still there on payday! LOL! That and a Zuluscsi would be a fun 4.1.4 box from the sounds of things. Thanks all! William -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From alanp at snowmoose.com Mon Feb 10 01:45:01 2025 From: alanp at snowmoose.com (Alan Perry) Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2025 22:45:01 -0800 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you really want one and don?t get that one, mine is for sale. I have been intending to prune the collection a bit. I also have a Tatung COMPstation 40 (SS2 clone) that I am selling. alan > On Feb 9, 2025, at 14:53, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > ?Wow! get up for the day and find lots of great information! > > Now to see if it's still there on payday! LOL! That and a Zuluscsi > would be a fun 4.1.4 box from the sounds of things. > > Thanks all! > William > -- > https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > like no-one is watching. > Alex White > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org From wlewisiii at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 22:16:16 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 21:16:16 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion Message-ID: So I thought I had saved a better sbus video card but all I stashed away were either cg3 or regular cg6. I did find a 13w3->VGA so no need for a new one, yay! BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a long gone IPX. It's just the thing for someone with a Weitek Powerup system - 128mb in an IPX is a hoot! I have no idea what these things would go for, there's nothing I can find on eprey but I'd rather it goes to someone who will use it for perhaps something fun I can use in my when I (hope hope hope) buy that Axil 320 tomorrow. Trade for an old SunPC board would be fun or a couple of sticks of memory? Or something else? William -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From henry.r.bent at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 22:45:03 2025 From: henry.r.bent at gmail.com (Henry Bent) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:45:03 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue < rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote: > > BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > long gone IPX. > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? -Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wlewisiii at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 23:01:19 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:01:19 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:45?PM Henry Bent wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb >> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a >> long gone IPX. > > > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. > > What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? > > -Henry No idea, I only used it in an IPX. It's an interesting thought experiment though! William -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From dwilliams at port8080.net Thu Feb 13 23:13:13 2025 From: dwilliams at port8080.net (Daniel Williams) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 21:13:13 -0700 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm interested. I got my IPX powered up with the new PSU PCB yesterday. I'll have a look around and see if I have an interesting video card. I also might have some spare ram, but I'm not sure which type the Axil320 takes. ~Daniel On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:02?PM William Barnett-Lewis via rescue < rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:45?PM Henry Bent wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue < > rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote: > >> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > >> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > >> long gone IPX. > > > > > > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the > SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard > connector. > > > > What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to > externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an > SS1, or an IPC? > > > > -Henry > > No idea, I only used it in an IPX. It's an interesting thought > experiment though! > > William > -- > https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > like no-one is watching. > Alex White > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wlewisiii at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 23:18:51 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:18:51 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's standard SS10/20/Ultra1 (I think those were the only machines that used it). On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 10:14?PM Daniel Williams via rescue wrote: > > I'm interested. I got my IPX powered up with the new PSU PCB yesterday. I'll have a look around and see if I have an interesting video card. I also might have some spare ram, but I'm not sure which type the Axil320 takes. > > ~Daniel > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:02?PM William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:45?PM Henry Bent wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> >> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb >> >> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a >> >> long gone IPX. >> > >> > >> > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. >> > >> > What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? >> > >> > -Henry >> >> No idea, I only used it in an IPX. It's an interesting thought >> experiment though! >> >> William >> -- >> https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ >> Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance >> like no-one is watching. >> Alex White >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From jackberry at outlook.com Thu Feb 13 23:34:13 2025 From: jackberry at outlook.com (Jack Berry) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 04:34:13 +0000 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've got an IPX with a Weitek Power-Up chip installed, this would be a pretty cool addition. I have a vsimm for an SS20 CG14, though I can't remember what size it is. I've also got ram for SS5, 20, U5 and I think even U60. 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Today's Topics: 1. Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion (William Barnett-Lewis) 2. Re: Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion (Henry Bent) 3. Re: Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion (William Barnett-Lewis) 4. Re: Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion (Daniel Williams) 5. Re: Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion (William Barnett-Lewis) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 21:16:16 -0600 From: William Barnett-Lewis To: "rescue at sunhelp.org" Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" So I thought I had saved a better sbus video card but all I stashed away were either cg3 or regular cg6. I did find a 13w3->VGA so no need for a new one, yay! BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a long gone IPX. It's just the thing for someone with a Weitek Powerup system - 128mb in an IPX is a hoot! I have no idea what these things would go for, there's nothing I can find on eprey but I'd rather it goes to someone who will use it for perhaps something fun I can use in my when I (hope hope hope) buy that Axil 320 tomorrow. Trade for an old SunPC board would be fun or a couple of sticks of memory? Or something else? William -- https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fwlewisiii%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Caf679140eb204743260f08dd4caee811%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638751036348075630%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=PmxA7Ej%2FHCOjwe6JT7HOgpPs6lEvHPS5f2MP2qIqhzg%3D&reserved=0 Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:45:03 -0500 From: Henry Bent To: The Rescue List Subject: Re: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue < rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote: > > BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > long gone IPX. > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? -Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:01:19 -0600 From: William Barnett-Lewis To: Henry Bent Cc: The Rescue List Subject: Re: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:45?PM Henry Bent wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb >> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a >> long gone IPX. > > > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. > > What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? > > -Henry No idea, I only used it in an IPX. It's an interesting thought experiment though! William -- https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fwlewisiii%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Caf679140eb204743260f08dd4caee811%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638751036348090572%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=MOtyAOuEb1YYei7IRU37y8YP%2BjPjZsRg7BlyZokmI2Y%3D&reserved=0 Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 21:13:13 -0700 From: Daniel Williams To: The Rescue List Subject: Re: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm interested. I got my IPX powered up with the new PSU PCB yesterday. I'll have a look around and see if I have an interesting video card. I also might have some spare ram, but I'm not sure which type the Axil320 takes. ~Daniel On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:02?PM William Barnett-Lewis via rescue < rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:45?PM Henry Bent wrote: > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue < > rescue at sunhelp.org> wrote: > >> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > >> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > >> long gone IPX. > > > > > > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the > SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard > connector. > > > > What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to > externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an > SS1, or an IPC? > > > > -Henry > > No idea, I only used it in an IPX. It's an interesting thought > experiment though! > > William > -- > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fwlewisiii%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Caf679140eb204743260f08dd4caee811%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638751036348100131%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Qhd%2FuWKr%2BigOA8GAKMDYiKPvqkwrxWGcr%2BEp30vC1gg%3D&reserved=0 > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > like no-one is watching. > Alex White > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsunhelp.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frescue_sunhelp.org&data=05%7C02%7C%7Caf679140eb204743260f08dd4caee811%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638751036348107534%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=FFqleqkP6Vy4HdknB9bsxDh4jz8jcD%2FFvcp%2BcfS1buQ%3D&reserved=0 > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 22:18:51 -0600 From: William Barnett-Lewis To: The Rescue List Subject: Re: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" It's standard SS10/20/Ultra1 (I think those were the only machines that used it). On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 10:14?PM Daniel Williams via rescue wrote: > > I'm interested. I got my IPX powered up with the new PSU PCB yesterday. I'll have a look around and see if I have an interesting video card. I also might have some spare ram, but I'm not sure which type the Axil320 takes. > > ~Daniel > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:02?PM William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> >> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:45?PM Henry Bent wrote: >> > >> > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> >> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb >> >> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a >> >> long gone IPX. >> > >> > >> > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. >> > >> > What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? >> > >> > -Henry >> >> No idea, I only used it in an IPX. It's an interesting thought >> experiment though! >> >> William >> -- >> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fwlewisiii%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Caf679140eb204743260f08dd4caee811%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638751036348121264%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=aeMcYML0IYDNkcB0qqrxZUggRGaLscYZpjvWiHd98Io%3D&reserved=0 >> Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance >> like no-one is watching. >> Alex White >> >> _______________________________________________ >> rescue list - https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsunhelp.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frescue_sunhelp.org&data=05%7C02%7C%7Caf679140eb204743260f08dd4caee811%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638751036348127966%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=bHQ38zUdxj%2BW%2FODrocVvS%2Fg6224AY5pWW9Vdg8jrIeY%3D&reserved=0 > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fsunhelp.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Frescue_sunhelp.org&data=05%7C02%7C%7Caf679140eb204743260f08dd4caee811%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638751036348134345%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=SzbCZ3gtpV4UrgPZ%2B7gYtRoemoGWGcvxu1E26PF9gno%3D&reserved=0 -- https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.instagram.com%2Fwlewisiii%2F&data=05%7C02%7C%7Caf679140eb204743260f08dd4caee811%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638751036348140785%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJFbXB0eU1hcGkiOnRydWUsIlYiOiIwLjAuMDAwMCIsIlAiOiJXaW4zMiIsIkFOIjoiTWFpbCIsIldUIjoyfQ%3D%3D%7C0%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2ByrCNUiL9qRnEpZnZtzAZY0CkpjruDO880lpWvwW3oA%3D&reserved=0 Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. 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URL: From tokenalt at gmail.com Thu Feb 13 23:42:31 2025 From: tokenalt at gmail.com (foo bar) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 23:42:31 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 10:46?PM Henry Bent via rescue wrote: > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> >> >> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb >> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a >> long gone IPX. > > > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. > > What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? This specific card won't work but the general idea will. On sun4c sbus is the system bus so the CPU, MMU and memory controller all sit on sbus. So this card is literally just the same memory controller that's on the motherboard plus some RAM. The SS1/1+/IPC use an early version of the memory controller so you'd have to use one of those to make this kind of card for them. Which is exactly what the sun4e memory expansion board does as you can see here. https://www.ebay.com/itm/305846748548 From mcguire at neurotica.com Thu Feb 13 23:55:26 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 23:55:26 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/13/25 22:45, Henry Bent via rescue wrote: > BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > long gone IPX. > > I had never seen one of these before.? Apparently they're only for the > SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard > connector. That's not additional power, it's a set of signals. On the SS2 schematic, that connector is referred to as the "hypothetical memory expansion connector", and carries some select lines and I believe an additional address bit. I don't recall if the SS1/SS1+ motherboard has this connector or not. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From tokenalt at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 00:02:23 2025 From: tokenalt at gmail.com (foo bar) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 00:02:23 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 11:57?PM Dave McGuire via rescue wrote: > > On 2/13/25 22:45, Henry Bent via rescue wrote: > > BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > > sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > > long gone IPX. > > > > I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the > > SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard > > connector. > > That's not additional power, it's a set of signals. On the SS2 > schematic, that connector is referred to as the "hypothetical memory > expansion connector", and carries some select lines and I believe an > additional address bit. > > I don't recall if the SS1/SS1+ motherboard has this connector or not. The 1/1+/IPC all have an 8 pin connector in roughly the same place as the 2/IPX, no idea what signals are on them tho. Also where are the SS2 schematics available? From ehawk at ember.systems Fri Feb 14 00:10:21 2025 From: ehawk at ember.systems (Ethan Hawke) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 16:10:21 +1100 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/14/25 15:42, foo bar via rescue wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 10:46?PM Henry Bent via rescue > wrote: >> On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >>> >>> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb >>> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a >>> long gone IPX. >> >> I had never seen one of these before. Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. >> >> What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? > This specific card won't work but the general idea will. On sun4c sbus > is the system bus so the CPU, MMU and memory controller all sit on > sbus. So this card is literally just the same memory controller that's > on the motherboard plus some RAM. The SS1/1+/IPC use an early version > of the memory controller so you'd have to use one of those to make > this kind of card for them. Which is exactly what the sun4e memory > expansion board does as you can see here. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/305846748548 Indeed, although the special cable is needed to expose the extra addressing line to let the memory sit in the cache-able memory space and not the IO (SBus) space. In addition the connector is on the SS1/SS1+/IPC, but it has a different pinout. More details are available in the FORCE-2CE manual on bitsavers (or archive.org), including a schematic. ?- Ethan From todd at toddvernon.com Fri Feb 14 01:22:29 2025 From: todd at toddvernon.com (Todd Vernon) Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 23:22:29 -0700 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31b7b63d-6e57-4edb-a89e-3b7676b9c7f4@Spark> Interested as well. ?I have a SS2 with one and a PowerUp cpu but would be interested in one for one of my two clone SS2 machines I have as well! T --- Todd Vernon Entrepreneur | Investor Email: todd at toddvernon.com LinkedIn: toddvernon On Feb 13, 2025 at 9:14?PM -0700, Daniel Williams via rescue , wrote: > I'm interested.? I got my IPX powered up with the new PSU PCB yesterday.? I'll have a look around and see if I have an interesting video card.? I also might have some spare ram, but I'm not sure which type the Axil320 takes. > > ~Daniel > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:02?PM William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 9:45?PM Henry Bent wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, 13 Feb 2025 at 22:17, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > >> BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > > >> sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > > >> long gone IPX. > > > > > > > > > I had never seen one of these before.? Apparently they're only for the SS2 and IPX, and require additional power from a special motherboard connector. > > > > > > What would happen if you put it in a different machine, and were able to externally supply the correct power?? Could this theoretically work in an SS1, or an IPC? > > > > > > -Henry > > > > No idea, I only used it in an IPX. It's an interesting thought > > experiment though! > > > > William > > -- > > https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ > > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > > like no-one is watching. > > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Alex White > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcguire at neurotica.com Fri Feb 14 11:04:00 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:04:00 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7ac6b4da-baee-45f5-8678-d89a50f805ad@neurotica.com> On 2/14/25 00:02, foo bar wrote: > The 1/1+/IPC all have an 8 pin connector in roughly the same place as > the 2/IPX, no idea what signals are on them tho. Also where are the > SS2 schematics available? https://archive.org/details/sun-calvin-p-0-schematic -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From vom513 at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 12:04:51 2025 From: vom513 at gmail.com (Brandon Applegate) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 12:04:51 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ahh nice. I have the Sun version 501-1823 - which is 32mb. I don't have the other 32mb daughterboard (501-1824) though... That's on my hit list to find one day. On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 10:17?PM William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > So I thought I had saved a better sbus video card but all I stashed > away were either cg3 or regular cg6. > > I did find a 13w3->VGA so no need for a new one, yay! > > BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > long gone IPX. It's just the thing for someone with a Weitek Powerup > system - 128mb in an IPX is a hoot! I have no idea what these things > would go for, there's nothing I can find on eprey but I'd rather it > goes to someone who will use it for perhaps something fun I can use in > my when I (hope hope hope) buy that Axil 320 tomorrow. > > Trade for an old SunPC board would be fun or a couple of sticks of > memory? Or something else? > > William > -- > https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > like no-one is watching. > Alex White > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org From wlewisiii at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 16:34:28 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 15:34:28 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, a lot more people interested than I expected. When I get home in an hour or so I will put all the names in my hat and draw one out and let the winner know. Thanks! William On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 11:06?AM Brandon Applegate via rescue wrote: > > Ahh nice. > > I have the Sun version 501-1823 - which is 32mb. I don't have the > other 32mb daughterboard (501-1824) though... That's on my hit list > to find one day. > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 10:17?PM William Barnett-Lewis via rescue > wrote: > > > > So I thought I had saved a better sbus video card but all I stashed > > away were either cg3 or regular cg6. > > > > I did find a 13w3->VGA so no need for a new one, yay! > > > > BUT the big surprise that I had forgotten I had was a Dataram 64mb > > sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) from a > > long gone IPX. It's just the thing for someone with a Weitek Powerup > > system - 128mb in an IPX is a hoot! I have no idea what these things > > would go for, there's nothing I can find on eprey but I'd rather it > > goes to someone who will use it for perhaps something fun I can use in > > my when I (hope hope hope) buy that Axil 320 tomorrow. > > > > Trade for an old SunPC board would be fun or a couple of sticks of > > memory? Or something else? > > > > William > > -- > > https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ > > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > > like no-one is watching. > > Alex White > > > > _______________________________________________ > > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From lists at glitchwrks.com Fri Feb 14 16:49:33 2025 From: lists at glitchwrks.com (Jonathan Chapman) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 21:49:33 +0000 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) For what it's worth, the cable isn't anything super special, I made up a temporary one to test my Sun expansion board: http://users.glitchwrks.com/~glitch/2022/09/26/ss2-ipx-ram I've been meaning to lay out a flex PCB for it but haven't yet. Thanks, Jonathan From wlewisiii at gmail.com Fri Feb 14 17:41:32 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2025 16:41:32 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Dataram 64mb sbus ram expansion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ok, I've emailed the winner, thanks for the interest. On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 3:50?PM Jonathan Chapman via rescue wrote: > > > sbus memory expansion (with the all important ribbon cable) > > For what it's worth, the cable isn't anything super special, I made up a temporary one to test my Sun expansion board: > > http://users.glitchwrks.com/~glitch/2022/09/26/ss2-ipx-ram > > I've been meaning to lay out a flex PCB for it but haven't yet. > > Thanks, > Jonathan > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From silvercreekvalley at yahoo.com Sat Feb 15 10:53:53 2025 From: silvercreekvalley at yahoo.com (silcreval) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 15:53:53 +0000 Subject: [rescue] ZX framebuffer References: <9ABF311F-959E-4E3D-A565-7D75B2AAB05E.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9ABF311F-959E-4E3D-A565-7D75B2AAB05E@yahoo.com> Well despite a lot of effort, I have to declare my ZX framebuffer flakey. About half the time it comes up fine and the rest of the time it goes into a state where the screen is filled with lines. I've spent quite a bit of time on this board, and replaced all the caps, desoldered the connectors and checked them, etc. However it looks like its not going to be an easy fix. I did buy another board on eBay, but thats even worse :/ Has anyone had experience with these cards? From wlewisiii at gmail.com Sat Feb 15 11:02:07 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:02:07 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system by the time I get done. Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. William -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From mcguire at neurotica.com Sat Feb 15 11:10:23 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:10:23 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 2/15/25 11:02, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on > Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when > I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I > could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system > by the time I get done. > > Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next > step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. That will be a fantastic system. Don't try to run Solaris on it! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From henry.r.bent at gmail.com Sat Feb 15 11:19:24 2025 From: henry.r.bent at gmail.com (Henry Bent) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:19:24 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 at 11:11, Dave McGuire via rescue wrote: > On 2/15/25 11:02, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on > > Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when > > I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I > > could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system > > by the time I get done. > > > > Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next > > step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. > > That will be a fantastic system. > > Don't try to run Solaris on it! Indeed. I have an SS10 with dual 100MHz HyperSPARCs and it's nice and fast with SunOS 4. I only have the 256K cache version, so the full 1M will be a nice improvement. That leads me to a question - what's the fastest machine that will run SunOS 4(.1.4)? Can you put it on an SS1000/2000? Otherwise, an SS20 with 4 200MHz HyperSPARCs? -Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From peter at ashlyn.co.uk Sat Feb 15 11:22:46 2025 From: peter at ashlyn.co.uk (Peter Stokes) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 16:22:46 +0000 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <172FA43D-2BE1-47CC-B0F6-30B134AB9854@ashlyn.co.uk> Hi Nice buy. Remember that the SS20 ideally needs the last version of the OBP PROM (2.25) to run the HyperSparcs or the Ross version of the PROM. I think 2.24 may also work from memory. If you need the data file let me know. Peter > On 15 Feb 2025, at 16:02, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: > > Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on > Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when > I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I > could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system > by the time I get done. > > Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next > step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. > > William > -- > https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ > Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance > like no-one is watching. > Alex White > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org From henry.r.bent at gmail.com Sat Feb 15 11:27:39 2025 From: henry.r.bent at gmail.com (Henry Bent) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:27:39 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <172FA43D-2BE1-47CC-B0F6-30B134AB9854@ashlyn.co.uk> References: <172FA43D-2BE1-47CC-B0F6-30B134AB9854@ashlyn.co.uk> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 at 11:23, Peter Stokes via rescue wrote: > Remember that the SS20 ideally needs the last version of the OBP PROM > (2.25) to run the HyperSparcs or the Ross version of the PROM. I think 2.24 > may also work from memory. This is an Axil 320, not an SS20. I assume that the PROMs are different. -Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcguire at neurotica.com Sat Feb 15 11:29:39 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:29:39 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <66643edc-71fa-47bf-a967-31d20b022193@neurotica.com> On 2/15/25 11:19, Henry Bent wrote: > Indeed.? I have an SS10 with dual 100MHz HyperSPARCs and it's nice and > fast with SunOS 4.? I only have the 256K cache version, so the full 1M > will be a nice improvement. > > That leads me to a question - what's the fastest machine that will run > SunOS 4(.1.4)?? Can you put it on an SS1000/2000?? Otherwise, an SS20 > with 4 200MHz HyperSPARCs? A 4/600 with HyperSPARCs, I think. I'm pretty sure there was never sun4d support in SunOS4. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From mcguire at neurotica.com Sat Feb 15 11:30:46 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:30:46 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: <172FA43D-2BE1-47CC-B0F6-30B134AB9854@ashlyn.co.uk> Message-ID: <9112c6e8-b4e4-4e58-bd9b-aa0b8dde4ffd@neurotica.com> On 2/15/25 11:27, Henry Bent via rescue wrote: > Remember that the SS20 ideally needs the last version of the OBP > PROM (2.25) to run the HyperSparcs or the Ross version of the PROM. > I think 2.24 may also work from memory. > > This is an Axil 320, not an SS20.? I assume that the PROMs are different. That may not be a good assumption; they are nearly identical. I've not tried it, but I think it might just work. Either way, at Digex we did run HyperSPARCs in Axil 320s. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From henry.r.bent at gmail.com Sat Feb 15 11:35:32 2025 From: henry.r.bent at gmail.com (Henry Bent) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:35:32 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <66643edc-71fa-47bf-a967-31d20b022193@neurotica.com> References: <66643edc-71fa-47bf-a967-31d20b022193@neurotica.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 at 11:30, Dave McGuire via rescue wrote: > On 2/15/25 11:19, Henry Bent wrote: > > Indeed. I have an SS10 with dual 100MHz HyperSPARCs and it's nice and > > fast with SunOS 4. I only have the 256K cache version, so the full 1M > > will be a nice improvement. > > > > That leads me to a question - what's the fastest machine that will run > > SunOS 4(.1.4)? Can you put it on an SS1000/2000? Otherwise, an SS20 > > with 4 200MHz HyperSPARCs? > > A 4/600 with HyperSPARCs, I think. I'm pretty sure there was never > sun4d support in SunOS4. Doesn't the 4/600 only have a 40MHz MBUS? In that case you could only put 180MHz hyperSPARCs in it. -Henry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcguire at neurotica.com Sat Feb 15 11:37:21 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:37:21 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: <66643edc-71fa-47bf-a967-31d20b022193@neurotica.com> Message-ID: On 2/15/25 11:35, Henry Bent wrote: > ? ?A 4/600 with HyperSPARCs, I think.? I'm pretty sure there was never > sun4d support in SunOS4. > > Doesn't the 4/600 only have a 40MHz MBUS?? In that case you could only > put 180MHz hyperSPARCs in it. Sure, but you can put a LOT of them. B-) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From alanp at snowmoose.com Sat Feb 15 13:35:19 2025 From: alanp at snowmoose.com (Alan Perry) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 10:35:19 -0800 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <73436dcc-66a7-44f2-a1ea-dfaa3f8477ec@snowmoose.com> On 2/15/25 8:10 AM, Dave McGuire via rescue wrote: > On 2/15/25 11:02, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on >> Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when >> I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I >> could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system >> by the time I get done. >> >> Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next >> step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. > > ? That will be a fantastic system. > > ? Don't try to run Solaris on it! > Solaris 2.6 (or maybe 7) runs just fine on my 320. alan From mcguire at neurotica.com Sat Feb 15 13:39:53 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 13:39:53 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <73436dcc-66a7-44f2-a1ea-dfaa3f8477ec@snowmoose.com> References: <73436dcc-66a7-44f2-a1ea-dfaa3f8477ec@snowmoose.com> Message-ID: <26e2ce7c-4b04-4bd0-9b1f-7e8278921f82@neurotica.com> On 2/15/25 13:35, Alan Perry via rescue wrote: >>> Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on >>> Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when >>> I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I >>> could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system >>> by the time I get done. >>> >>> Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next >>> step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. >> >> ? That will be a fantastic system. >> >> ? Don't try to run Solaris on it! >> > > Solaris 2.6 (or maybe 7) runs just fine on my 320. Sure, it *runs*. But if you want to see it run maybe 4x faster, put SunOS4 on it. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From alanp at snowmoose.com Sat Feb 15 14:14:09 2025 From: alanp at snowmoose.com (Alan Perry) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:14:09 -0800 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <26e2ce7c-4b04-4bd0-9b1f-7e8278921f82@neurotica.com> References: <26e2ce7c-4b04-4bd0-9b1f-7e8278921f82@neurotica.com> Message-ID: <37464D3E-782D-4FD4-B41E-7124F6E0560A@snowmoose.com> > On Feb 15, 2025, at 10:41, Dave McGuire via rescue wrote: > > ?On 2/15/25 13:35, Alan Perry via rescue wrote: >>>> Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on >>>> Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when >>>> I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I >>>> could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system >>>> by the time I get done. >>>> >>>> Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next >>>> step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. >>> >>> That will be a fantastic system. >>> >>> Don't try to run Solaris on it! >>> >> Solaris 2.6 (or maybe 7) runs just fine on my 320. > > Sure, it *runs*. But if you want to see it run maybe 4x faster, put SunOS4 on it. If I were strictly looking for speed, I wouldn?t be running 30 year old hardware. Solaris is fast enough to be usable (unlike running it on my lunchboxes) and has more functionality than SunOS 4. alan > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire, AK4HZ > New Kensington, PA > > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org From alanp at snowmoose.com Sat Feb 15 14:21:33 2025 From: alanp at snowmoose.com (Alan Perry) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 11:21:33 -0800 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0A688A87-5155-4FAF-A4BE-CA8D007A70E4@snowmoose.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcguire at neurotica.com Sat Feb 15 14:28:54 2025 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 14:28:54 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <37464D3E-782D-4FD4-B41E-7124F6E0560A@snowmoose.com> References: <26e2ce7c-4b04-4bd0-9b1f-7e8278921f82@neurotica.com> <37464D3E-782D-4FD4-B41E-7124F6E0560A@snowmoose.com> Message-ID: <1950b15d0f0.27fe.3c50d2b21ba2c2fda0de8a8b6bbe9ce4@neurotica.com> On February 15, 2025 2:14:41 PM Alan Perry wrote: >> On Feb 15, 2025, at 10:41, Dave McGuire via rescue wrote: >> ?On 2/15/25 13:35, Alan Perry via rescue wrote: >>>>> Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on >>>>> Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when >>>>> I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I >>>>> could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system >>>>> by the time I get done. >>>>> >>>>> Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next >>>>> step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. >>>> >>>> That will be a fantastic system. >>>> >>>> Don't try to run Solaris on it! >>> Solaris 2.6 (or maybe 7) runs just fine on my 320. >> >> Sure, it *runs*. But if you want to see it run maybe 4x faster, put SunOS4 on it. > > If I were strictly looking for speed, I wouldn?t be running 30 year old hardware. Solaris is fast enough to be usable (unlike running it on my lunchboxes) and has more functionality than SunOS 4. We'll have to agree to disagree there. I find 2.6 to be completely unusable in any capacity. IMO, for production use anyway, Solaris didn't become a usable OS until 8, and didn't become a GOOD OS until 9. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA From ehawk at ember.systems Sat Feb 15 20:43:15 2025 From: ehawk at ember.systems (Ethan Hawke) Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2025 12:43:15 +1100 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D57670C-6A78-4FF4-AC23-9EAD2DE66313@ember.systems> Nice, I was also eyeing those HM142s, but was interested only if they were 1MB modules, which the seller didn't know and originally thought they were 200MHz modules. Ross reports that the 1MB cache adds about 1% extra performance, but I am interested in how it scales, I would imagine a slower MBus and larger SMP working sets would favour the extra cache, but how much I am not sure. Let us know your findings! - Ethan On 16 February 2025 3:02:07?am AEDT, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on >Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when >I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I >could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system >by the time I get done. > >Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next >step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. > >William >-- >https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ >Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance >like no-one is watching. > Alex White > >_______________________________________________ >rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wlewisiii at gmail.com Sat Feb 15 20:52:52 2025 From: wlewisiii at gmail.com (William Barnett-Lewis) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2025 19:52:52 -0600 Subject: [rescue] Axil320? In-Reply-To: <7D57670C-6A78-4FF4-AC23-9EAD2DE66313@ember.systems> References: <7D57670C-6A78-4FF4-AC23-9EAD2DE66313@ember.systems> Message-ID: The number on the mbus socket matches the 142mhz-1mb line in the "rough guide" so that made me decide to go for it. The price was low enough compared to other ones out there right now that the risk seems reasonable. My primary use will be to set up simple stuff (Word Perfect, Lotus 123) but with the real work being to get back into some LISP coding. CMUCL 17 for sure and seeing if I can get the open source version of Medley Interlisp to build. THAT will put the cache to the test. William On Sat, Feb 15, 2025 at 7:44?PM Ethan Hawke via rescue wrote: > > Nice, I was also eyeing those HM142s, but was interested only if they were 1MB modules, which the seller didn't know and originally thought they were 200MHz modules. > > Ross reports that the 1MB cache adds about 1% extra performance, but I am interested in how it scales, I would imagine a slower MBus and larger SMP working sets would favour the extra cache, but how much I am not sure. > > Let us know your findings! > > - Ethan > > > On 16 February 2025 3:02:07?am AEDT, William Barnett-Lewis via rescue wrote: >> >> Just to follow up on this, I did order the Axil 320 & a Zuluscsi on >> Friday and blew the toy budget even further to hell this morning when >> I found a pair of matched Ross HM142S-1024 142mhz processors that I >> could just afford. That should be quite the little SS20 clone system >> by the time I get done. >> >> Once I see how much ram is on board, that will probably be the next >> step but really, I'm going to have some fun I think. >> >> William > > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -- https://www.instagram.com/wlewisiii/ Live like you will never die, love like you've never been hurt, dance like no-one is watching. Alex White From silvercreekvalley at yahoo.com Mon Feb 17 04:54:30 2025 From: silvercreekvalley at yahoo.com (silcreval) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 09:54:30 +0000 Subject: [rescue] ZX framebuffer for 100GBP/$120 References: <5DA2F502-EA5E-42A0-ACF0-063E9E4AAD6D.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5DA2F502-EA5E-42A0-ACF0-063E9E4AAD6D@yahoo.com> Morning Could I tempt anyone to sell me a working ZX framebuffer for 100GBP / $120 ? Just sold a few items so have a bit of money for my Sun's. It does need to be known working as I already have a broken one :-) Thanks ! From mikes at aalin.co.uk Mon Feb 17 15:30:02 2025 From: mikes at aalin.co.uk (Mike Spooner) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 20:30:02 +0000 Subject: [rescue] ZX framebuffer for 100GBP/$120 In-Reply-To: <5DA2F502-EA5E-42A0-ACF0-063E9E4AAD6D@yahoo.com> References: <5DA2F502-EA5E-42A0-ACF0-063E9E4AAD6D.ref@yahoo.com> <5DA2F502-EA5E-42A0-ACF0-063E9E4AAD6D@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3F442FBB-9A7B-4074-8215-48AD52275D76@aalin.co.uk> I have a ZX card complete with mezzanine, but haven't used it for about 10 years since I replaced it with a Rasterflex card, in my SS10. This ZX worked fine at that time. If you are in the UK or Europe, I can test it in the SS10 and (presuming it still works), will send it to you for that suggested amount. It still scares me that this card cost over ?8000 when new in 1994! Regards, Mike On 17 February 2025 09:54:30 GMT, silcreval via rescue wrote: >Morning > >Could I tempt anyone to sell me a working ZX framebuffer for 100GBP / $120 ? Just sold a few items so have a bit of money for my Sun's. > >It does need to be known working as I already have a broken one :-) > >Thanks ! >_______________________________________________ >rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This ZX worked fine at that time. > > If you are in the UK or Europe, I can test it in the SS10 and (presuming it still works), will send it to you for that suggested amount. > > It still scares me that this card cost over ?8000 when new in 1994! > > Regards, > Mike > > > On 17 February 2025 09:54:30 GMT, silcreval via rescue wrote: >> Morning >> >> Could I tempt anyone to sell me a working ZX framebuffer for 100GBP / $120 ? Just sold a few items so have a bit of money for my Sun's. >> >> It does need to be known working as I already have a broken one :-) >> >> Thanks ! >> rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org > _______________________________________________ > rescue list - http://sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue_sunhelp.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: