[rescue] NeXTSTEP or OPENSTEP?

Lionel Peterson lionel4287 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 11 18:32:15 CDT 2014

There is powershell which should give you a remote console if you like, also
the server tools let you apply them to remote servers (all the GUI tools allow
you to remotely manage the box).

There is also RSAT - Remote Server Admin Tools - that let's you manage a
server via remote GUI tools installed on Win8.

You describe Windows Hyper-V Server 2012 - MS gives it away free to host
previously licensed VMs, VMs that don't rely on licenses from the underlying


> On Aug 11, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Stephen Conley <cheetah at tanabi.org> wrote:
> Here's another funny one for you :)  My customer has some kind of
> special version of Win 8 server that's for VMs, so it's stripped way
> down.
> You still have to RDP in ... but what you get ... is a DOS BOX.
> That's it.  No explorer, no UI (other than the dos box, which is
> "dressed" with the window stuff around it, and the desktop
> background), nothing.  There's a few things you can do -- like open
> task manager -- but most of the UI isn't there.
> Now, actually, I'm okay with this -- I can get around in a windows
> command prompt.  But the thing that makes me laugh is that there's all
> this extra "crap" needed to basically do the same thing UNIXes do with
> ssh ... you have to RDP into something and have this big dumb "GUI"
> just to essentially ssh :)
> If MS was going to roll like this, I wish they'd just let me ssh into
> the box so I wouldn't have to waste my time with RDP.  It's also very
> not-obvious how to log out on this reduced version as well.
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 6:44 PM, Steve Sandau <ssandau at gwi.net> wrote:
>>> Win8 is Win7 with a full-screen Start menu, *and nothing more*. It can
>>> do everything Win7 can and more besides. All this guff about it not
>>> being suitable for content-creators and power users and sysadmins is
>>> 100% double-hopped horseshit: it can do absolutely everything all its
>>> predecessors could.
>> Seriousness of the discussion aside, my first run-in with this interface
>> (Win 8) was on a new fancy Windows server at work. It is in our new data
>> center, and it runs a new OS on new hardware with amazingly fast CPUs and
>> boatloads of RAM made to handle all kinds or RDP connections. It has IE 11
>> or something and it runs a server version of Windows with a Win 8
>> It may very well be one of the most capable pieces of hardware we have.
>> So, I logged in to try some things (like Siebel and other apps) and the
>> browser was too new for me to use it. I made my way around OK with
>> a minimum of pain. Then I tried to log out. I had to Google it to find out
>> about the lucky charms bar or whatever to be able to log out of my RDP
>> session. The really funny thing was that the article that told me how to
>> this went on to say that logging out was not as obvious because this
>> interface was made for small devices like tablets and phones where people
>> don't typically have to log out.
>> So our shiny new, fancy, expensive server runs a UI made for a *phone*.
>> Really? I think I'll have to agree with the idea that one size does not
>> really fit all, and thinking that it does is a mistake.
>> Steve
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