[rescue] DEC KA730, was Re: Electronics Recycling Day
Steven M Jones
smj+rescue at crash.com
Mon Nov 16 20:27:35 CST 2009
This might be straying off-topic for Rescue. If there's follow-up to
this, is it reasonable to move it to the classiccmp list? I'm on both
under different addresses...
> Steven M Jones wrote:
>> I'm sure DEC was happy to OEM both configurations, but I was not under
>> the impression that the 11/725 was an OEM-only variant. [...]
> Carl R. Friend responded:
> The notion of "off-by-five" for OEM kit had been around for
> quite a while by the time that the VAX came on the scene. For
> instance, the pdp11/35 was the OEM version of the 11/40. [...] but
> I do not believe that one could actually *buy* a DEC-branded and
> configured 11/725 from them (the 11/751 may be a different animal).
I'm familiar with the convention as used for many pdp-11 family members.
Was the 11/725 marketed that way? I didn't get any exposure to VAX
product pricing and whatnot until much later. However somewhere in
storage I have a set of DEC-internal sales materials in puffy brown
binders from the mid/-/80s that may shed light on this... Don't ask me
when I'll unearth them again, but eventually I have a scanner with ADF
that will make their acquaintance. I know they cover positioning and
pricing options for 16-, 32-, and 36-bit systems.
This is probably hairsplitting, but I think the core boardset+backplane
box - did they use the term System Building Block (SBB) at that point? -
was the same except for the numbering and color. Of course the customer
buying an 11/40 would typically order it as a system in a rack with
peripherals, but I always assumed they could buy it "loose" too.
While the 11/725 and 11/730 used the same boardset, they're
differentiated more by the packaging used than anything else. An 11/730
was typically delivered in a rack of one kind or another; the 11/725
was, as far as I'm aware, characterized by the deskside package that was
the only way it could be ordered.
However I wasn't buying DEC gear at the time, and would welcome any
first-hand knowledge from the list...
> Steve Jones wrote:
>> Of course an outfit like ADP would've been the perfect customer to
>> take the 11/725 as-is, slap their logo and software on it, and ship
>> it to some customers who'd never crack it open...
> Carl Friend replied:
> [...] when I was there they were a PDP-10 shop and marketed the KS-10
> as an "ADP Onsite" to folks [...]
That's exactly the example I had in mind, having learned about the
Onsites when I thought I'd try to pick up a 2020 a decade or so ago.
Interesting to note that years later I acquired a Motorola m88k system
(M8120) that was rebadged by ADP. No hard drive was included, though I
believe I did eventually manage to get the matching (empty) drive
housing out of the seller.
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