[rescue] Airport Security and Rescues...

Patrick Giagnocavo patrick at zill.net
Thu Mar 27 16:13:24 CDT 2008

Sridhar Ayengar wrote:

>> " > Last time they gave the West problems, they were booted out of 
>> what is " > now southern Spain and several wars were fought, called 
>> Crusades.
>> " > " > The root answer is forceful subjugation of Muslim countries 
>> and " > deportation / the most severe restrictions on immigration 
>> unless they " > swear off such violence, explicitly.
>> " " Don't get me started on the Crusades.  The Crusades were a 
>> Christian " Jihad.
>> without question, but they were provoked by a moslem - the sultan of
>> egypt decided to close jerusalem and the holy land to infidels.  the
>> historical record [crusades aside] suggests the sultan may not have
>> been completely balanced.
> Yes, yes, but when one starts to believe that another needs to die to 
> satisfy the wishes or will of God, the larger battle has already been lost.

I said "subjugation of Muslim countries" implying threats of physical 
force, and "deportation / restrictions on immigration" .  I did not 
suggest a holy war as such.

As Churchill said of the Germans, "the Hun is either at your feet, or at 
your throat."

Perhaps I missed part of the discussion, but it seems you are drawing a 
moral equivalence between long-held Muslim beliefs and one or both of 
"the Christian West" or "the secular, pluralistic West".

Is that the case?


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