[rescue] replacing an Ultra2
Charles Shannon Hendrix
shannon at widomaker.com
Tue Apr 17 18:21:04 CDT 2007
Tue, 17 Apr 2007 @ 00:09 +0100, Mark said:
> I object. I have had a snoop around a Java Workstation 20 (the U20's
> predecessor) and the build quality alone is a light year ahead of
The majority of their market is the standard desktop junk, so that's
what they make the most of. IBM, HP, and everyone else does the same
The U20 is a nice machine. I'd rate its build quality as good, and I
like the airflow and the little SATA backplane.
I almost got one in December when my older machine needed to be
However, I was disappointed with the CPU offered, the power supply, and
the motherboard I/O.
I decided to upgrade my frankenmachine instead and put off a new desktop
for another year or two.
Besides, the money I saved went into my Mac/Sun fund.
> > options difficult. The latter is an issue in a lot of new PC cases
> > that use that kind of airflow system, not unique to Sun.
> I think the lack of drive bays compared to generic workstations from
> Dell et al. is a fallacy. What the sam hill do you need 3x 5.25" bays
> and 2x 3.5" bays for these days? For most Workstations a DVD-RW and 2
> hard drives is all you need.
Along with 640K of RAM, right?
I look at it this way: The U20 is capable of things like audio and video
processing, and 2 drives is not enough for that.
Even home users frequently run 3-4 drives.
I don't know... it just seems silly on a large case like that with
plenty of room inside.
> > I don't know what would happen to your warranty if you upgrade
> > CPUs, but a lot of people have done it.
> I'm pretty sure you'd void it. You automatically void Apple
> warranties if you use a non-Apple supplied CPU, I'd imagine Sun are
I don't doubt they void it, but I wonder if their decision hold up if
you filed a grievance under the Magnuson-Moss Act?
Years ago the MMA lawsuits forced the industry to accept memory
upgrades, and I don't see why it couldn't happen with CPUs.
Several Apple users report that threatening them with MMA has caused
Apple to back off on warranty issues with upgrades.
I think I'd at least try if I needed to upgrade a fairly new Apple or
Sun. The first step is just filing a grievance: you don't have to go to
> It's mostly about the manufacturer's ability to warrant that all
> major components are of their own high standards and installed
> according to their own guidelines.
Most of the time I'm upgrading to put better components in the system.
I'm usually not happy with what vendors use, which is why I mostly build
> Installing RAM ins one thing, swapping CPUs has the potential to end
> in disaster even if, I would imagine, every soul on this particular
> list is capable of doing it to close to the same standard as a
> certified engineer.
I'd be embarrased to talk to any of you if I thought vendor FEs were
better than you... :)
Although, I can kind of see some of you guys sitting on the carpet, Sun
workstation guts in front of you, CPU in one hand, flashlight in the
other... :) :) :)
> You have to account for over-eager 'users' in the equation ;o)
Oh, I know its hell to support end users.
At the same time, most vendors suck at providing upgrades, so users are
often forced to do it on their own.
shannon / Well, I have entered the metallic years. Silver in my hair, gold in
-------' my teeth, lead in my ass... -- Sheldon Hall
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