[rescue] Mozilla Firefox

Charles Shannon Hendrix shannon at widomaker.com
Mon Apr 26 11:59:09 CDT 2004

Sun, 25 Apr 2004 @ 23:55 -0400, Dave McGuire said:

>   Yep.  Sun is shooting themselves in the foot.  Java is an *amazing* 
> language, 

I've always found Java to be interesting, but nothing new.  It's like an
OO version of C.

I like the language itself OK, with some exceptions, but the rest of the
package that comes with it is a problem.

I pretty well agree with Jamie Zawinski's assessment of Java.  So much
promise, so many mistakes.

Sun has tried to create Java by fiat, and I don't believe you can do
that with a computer language, especially one like Java.  They tried to
make Java do everything, with the result being that it does nothing very

Finally, "write once, run anywhere" is pure mythology.  The most obvious
problem with that idea is that there are only really 4-5 good Java
machines: Sun, Windows, Linux, Apple, IBM, and they haven't been of
consistent quality.

> and it can be plenty fast if the code is written correctly.  I've seen
> it with my own eyes, and written it with my own text editor.

I'll believe it when I see it.  

I have certainly had usable Java programs, but no fast ones.

There is a certain amount of unavoidable overhead in Java, and in
non-trivial programs, it is quite high.

The memory overhead for a moderately complex Java GUI in particular
is very high.  

Even text-only Java programs seem rather heavy to me.  From what I see,
there are a lot of layers of code and classes for even simple batch

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