Dell hardware (was Re: [rescue] Current collections...)
vraptor at promessage.com
Thu Apr 8 05:48:45 CDT 2004
Phil Stracchino wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 08, 2004 at 01:36:28AM -0500, Patrick Finnegan wrote:
>>Testing that one cisco switch is what has caused me to vow never to buy a
>>piece of their overpriced trash. IOS may be "beautiful," it's something
>>I've never touched before, but for the post part it's something I don't
>>care much about, and isn't worth a 500% increase in price.
> I'm told by people in the know that the major reason the Juniper guys
> split off from Cisco and formed Juniper was because they kept telling
> Cisco, "No, no, no, you can't do that, you need a separate processor to
> handle all of this stuff, otherwise the box is going to fall down or
> just max out when you hit such-and-such a total throughput. It can't
> handle wire speed connections on all ports." And Cisco kept saying, "We
> can't do that, that would cost more money."
> So the engineers said, "Fuck this shit, let's go do it right," and went
> off and created Juniper Networks.
There was a lot more to it than that. I'd venture to say that it
was a lot more about software development process and management
response to engineers in general than it was about hardware. I
also know that there was a lot of "defensive" manuevering by some
of the high middle managers during that period to bring on
chronies--I call it defensive b/c I think it was an attempt by
them to protect themselves by having friends around during a time
when there were a huge number of aquisitions going on. That's
how we ended up with a lot of managers that had worked at Tandem,
The "straw" that broke the camel's back, though, I think, was
Tony Li leaving. Once people realized he'd given up holding out
hope for a change in the process/attitudes, other people decided
to ditch too. There was a huge turn-over problem for many months
after he left.
The only thing that revitalized engineering after that, imho, was
the aquisition of Granite. Over 90% of their engineers stayed,
and all of them could have easily retired.
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