[rescue] spam WPOISON
Joshua D. Boyd
jdboyd at celestrion.celestrion.net
Tue Sep 9 12:04:58 CDT 2003
On Tue, Sep 09, 2003 at 12:55:39PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 9, 2003, at 12:53 PM, Joshua D. Boyd wrote:
> >>>The vast majority of OO is C/C++. OO will run fine
> >>>without a JVM. I agree that OO is incredibly slow
> >>>(1.1beta is better) but that's not due to Java.
> >>I seriously hope you're joking. There is No Reason that native
> >>code should -ever- run that slowly.
> >Look, imagine your $doomedProject. There is no reason that the tools
> >they are using to build the Java code couldn't be generating C++ code.
> >And if they were generating C++ code, what do you think the chances are
> >that it wouldn't grind to a halt almost as quickly, based on what
> >said about it?
> Tools they are using to build...what? You want their Java compilers
> to generate C++ code??
No, no, no. There are GUI tools out there where you "program" in them,
and it generates Java code that you never see. The "developer" never
sees a single line of code. Reportedly, use of such tools can
frequently lead to programs that don't perform basic optimizations
(like, say, caching the results of a SQL select that takes a minute to
run for later use) and leak memory like a sieve, and potentially lead to
web pages that take minutes to load because the Java application server
is so bogged down with code from the Java GUI frontend.
Now, imagine a system like this where instead of generated Java, it is
generated C++. When the code generated is this bad, it makes no real
difference to the speed whether the program is written in C++ or Java,
or really, even C.
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