[rescue] SparcCenter 2000E on Ebay

Francisco Javier Mesa-Martinez lefa at ucsc.edu
Sun Jun 22 18:39:42 CDT 2003

On Sun, 22 Jun 2003, Patrick Giagnocavo +1.717.201.3366 wrote:
> when rich people get sick, they come to the USA to get treatment.
> They don't go to Japan or Sweden.

Oh, really.... please provide data, thanks. I guess all the millions of
uninsured citizens in the US can take pride in the fact that even though they
can not afford healthcare in the US, at least the rich people of the world can
come over here to have their treatments.

This is like having a city of homeless, where most of the populaiton is
malnurish, with a single luxury restaurant, and saying that since rich people
from other cities come over to eat at that restaurant *sometimes* that city
has the best nutritional status in the state. Mixin one's perception with
reality is rather dangerous, and tends to some serious fallacious

> when you want a CAT scan, you get one right away.  You don't have to
> wait for 4 months or more to check on that possible aneurysm or
> cancer, like you do in Canada.

This is just plain wrong: If it is an emergency you get it treated right
away, if it is an scheduled medical operation you can queue them. Sure it
is not perfect. But you seem to completelly unaware of the whole concept
of preventive medicine. Stop spreading missinformation, thank you.

> when your soldiers come back from a war in Iraq, they don't have to
> join a waiting list to receive treatment for their injuries like they
> do in the UK.

Huh? This is both, wrong and insulting.

> > U.S., and Germany. Of the 13 countries compared, only Germany ranked lower
> > overall than the U.S.
> Explain why this is then?

Hum? what... the fact that your are only better off than a contry that had
to absorb a few millions of new citizens in less than 1 decade?

> > But please do not let figures and facts get in the way.... As a
> > transplanted Euro who has experienced both systems I get really tired of
> > some people trashing our socialized ways when they have not experienced
> I grew up in Canada and MUCH prefer pretty much everything about the
> USA, including the *FREEDOM* to choose my own health care plan.

BTW, both in Europe and in Canada, you also have the option of private health
providers. So what is your point really?

Yeah, believe or not we acutally have *FREEDOM* in Europe.

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