[rescue] OT: Linux and USB on Intel

David Passmore dpassmor at sneakers.org
Sun Apr 20 16:08:00 CDT 2003

On Sun, Apr 20, 2003 at 04:32:02PM -0400, Linc Fessenden wrote:

> http://www.sun.com/servers/entry/lx50/features.html

This is x86.

> http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/zseries/os/linux/

This, I will grant you.

> I don't recall ever saying that?  What I did say was that Linux has
> nothing to do with teaching people that cheap hardware that blows up is
> the way to go.  That distinction, my friend, belongs properly with
> Windows.


> I never said that either - sheesh!  What I said was that the GNU software
> you are referring to is *NOT* Linux.  It pre-exists Linux by quite some
> time, in fact, I recall it being the *hottest* thing to install a bunch of
> GNU software on your early Sparcstations.

I was not referring to any GNU software in particular. I did not even use
the term GNU-- you introduced that. I said 'free', as I recall.

> And I suppose you lump in the NetBSD, OpenBSD and FreeBSD community there
> as well?  It's the same stuff after all since we use all that GNU software
> together.

Sure, why not, I'll concede that. Anything that enables the use of x86
hardware in business applications, I am against. 

> > I'm genuinely curious here. What do you mean? How is Linux more modern and
> > mature than any of these operating system offerings? Can you name some
> > examples?
> Linux code base and userland software matures exponentially faster due to
> it's huge developer base.  Linux/Gnu developers are not hampered by suits
> dictating development lines and generally create and update software that
> enhances and attaches to the current technology and problems they are
> using/tackling at the time.

Back up your claim. You've told me how it could be more modern-- now tell me
what is more modern about it.

> Sorry again, that is not my domain name - that's my friend who hosts this
> particular mail account for me.  My domain name is
> linc.homeunix.org..  Furthermore I use and run SunOS, HPUX, Irix, NetBSD,
> OpenBSD, FreeBSD, and MACOS, on every kind of hardware you cvan imagine
> from junk x86 to old uVax - so a zealot I am not.  I am a fan though.  I
> see a lot of advantages to running Linux and where is falls short, I am
> willing to help out and or wait for the inevitable and quick improvement.

I apologize.

> That is a fact that I will argue with you.  While you may see Linux taking
> the place of Unix boxen, I see the other side..  In my company I have used
> Linux to replace *countless* Windows NT, and 2000 servers - making the
> hardware and services run infinately more stable than it's microsoft
> equivilent (and I use that term very loosely).

That's very good to hear! It's just not what I see, or even hear very often
from my colleagues.

> I have seen several instance where businesses change from Unix to Linux
> but mostly that was because of a necessaary hardware upgrade.  $1000 of
> Linux machines can outperform $1000000 worth of old Vax equipt - for short
> term use anyway, and byt the time the PC parts start to break down, they
> have already been depreciated to nothing.

Yes, conceded, considering most hardware depreciates to nothing after 3-4
years by most accounting standards.

> As far as I am concerned and I bet many will agree, the only way to get
> rid of the windows and x86 problem is to convince Apple to lower their
> darn prices.

That would be nice, too.


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