[rescue] Re: [geeks] THIS. MAKES. ME. SICK.

mike dombrowski rescue at sunhelp.org
Thu Jun 14 22:38:18 CDT 2001

Time for me to jump in and help out Devin. Just FYI, when I say NT I 
mean 4 & 2k.

>As someone who has used and (somewhat adminned) NT 3.1, 3.51, 4, and 
W2K, as
>well as Irix (5.3), Sol7(no expert tho), Linux from 0.99pl14 on up, 
>2.7+, SCO BrokenServer, SunOS 4.1.3:

How much time have you spent with various Unixes vs. NT? Most people I 
know who come from a unix background and say NT sucks don't spend 
nearly as much time with it. People with 10yrs Unix experience use NT 
for 2months then say it can't do shit. This may not be the case with 
you but I'd say most Unix people are like this.

>I will bet you $250 USD that an out of the box, generic install of
>Open/Net/FreeBSD will whup whatever W2K solution you implement in 
terms of
>uptime, security and reliability (defined as the service being 
available for

What does this prove? No sane admin runs an out of box install. Even 
OpenBSD needs tweaking to get it going

>xx.xx% of the time).  Figure a AMD K6-2 450, 128MB RAM, IDE hard drive 
>each of us.

You can't do this either. Quadruple the ram and go with a Duron and it 
starts getting fair. Compare OpenBSD and Solaris 8 on an LX with 
minimum amount of ram for Solaris. OpenBSD will beat Solaris handily in 
terms of response time, speed, etc. Does this make Solaris bad? No, it 
just means you're incorrectly pairing the OS and hardware. Try this 
comparison; Quad Xeon, 2gb ram, scsi OS disks and fibre channel data 
disks for massive SQL serving, 2k vs. OpenBSD. Watch 2k beat down 
OpenBSD, does this prove anything either?

>I'm not trying to flame you, but if you want to come on the list and 
>such (IMHO) ridiculous claims you should be challenged.  I know $250 
>real money but it's what I have as "mad money" :-) .  

Saying that properly admined NT can work is not a "ridiculous claim." 
Hell, I can fux0r a Solaris box up enough that it won't be able to do 
shit then come crying about Solaris being a piece of shit. For many 
places/people NT is the best solution, period.

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