[rescue] Re: [geeks] THIS. MAKES. ME. SICK.

G W Adkins rescue at sunhelp.org
Wed Jun 13 13:51:19 CDT 2001

> What exactly is this "prime time" anyway?  Linux (and *bsd) are obviously
> being used sucessfully in very high profile bet the company systems, so
> what more is needed for "prime time"?
What "ready for prime time" means is Maturity.
Reliable, stable, all the feature set elements of the OS community which it
is meant to compete in (working in the same reliable, stable manner as those
other OS's),  coherence with the community in terms of housekeeping and
administrative tasks, maturing to the point where it has shed frivolous
kludge-workarounds and obvious ass-backwards 'we're gonna do this in a way
which is incompatible with everyone elses existing code-base'  (ala' linux
threads...), and a reasonably standardized base of code supplying fairly
uniform performance and support from platform to platform that it choses to
support.  I should say something here about SMP, but I will apply the
Thumper rule...

and (this is merely my opinion here...), last (but not least) Loosing the
freakin' attitude...  the 'I am a renegade' image.

"Ready for prime time" (tm) has nothing to do with the ease of setup of NT
(not that NT is easy to set up, or for that mater, who would want to...)
> Is the "prime time" that it can't be setup as easily as NT, or is it that
> large installations can't be rolled out as quickly as single system image
> MPP machiens (like the E10k) can be doing to all the custom clustering?
> --
> Joshua Boyd
> On Wed, 13 Jun 2001, Dave McGuire wrote:
> > On June 13, G W Adkins wrote:
> > > Hell, I don't mind pissing off the linux crowd...
> > > Perhaps it's adoption by SGI will result in closing up some of those
> > > security and stability issues....  (wait, SGI? Security?  what the
> > > saying!...)
> >
> >   The OS vendor cannot predict what environment their products will be
> > used in, nor can they account for them all within a reasonable
> > budget.  The only person who knows the environment of a given system
> > is the syadmin.  For where the vast majority of SGI machines are put
> > into service (i.e. not sitting out in the wind on the Internet),
> > Irix's security holes aren't an issue.  This leaves the responsibility
> > on the shoulders of the sysadmin.
> >
> >   If you're a sysadmin and you can't secure a box, no matter what OS
> > it's running, you shouldn't be a sysadmin.  I hate to put it in such
> > blunt terms, but that's just the way it is.
> >
> > > <sees McGuire coming at full charge like a raging bull - dons asbestos
> > > suit...>
> >
> >   Enough.
> >
> > > No, really...  hopefully it's adoption by a 'Real Computer (tm)'
> > > will help to dispell a little of that 'not quite ready for prime
> > > which seems to plague Tux.
> >
> >   I like Linux...a lot, actually.  But frankly, the only thing that
> > will dispell any of the "not quite ready or prime time"-ness will be
> > the attention of a few dozen experienced programmers for a few months.
> > Not marketing efforts.
> >
> >               -Dave McGuire
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