From rr at nospamrits.com.au  Tue Aug  1 06:25:32 2000
From: rr at nospamrits.com.au (RR)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:25:32 +1000
Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI RAID Controller
Message-ID: <mailman.11335.1174460351.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all,

Anyone know where I can get a second-hand SCSI RAID controller?  I've
had no luck on ebay (got outbid on one in the last 8 seconds of the
auction!) and haven't been able to find any good second-hand dealers
that have them.  The kind I'm after is commonly referred to as "SCSI 2
SCSI" meaning it's host independant rather than a PCI card, models like
the CRD-5000, Mylex DAC-960S.  Of course, the other thing is it needs to
be affordable :)

cheers,

Rob.




From RRrr at nospamrits.com.au  Tue Aug  1 06:25:32 2000
From: RRrr at nospamrits.com.au (RRrr at nospamrits.com.au)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 21:25:32 +1000
Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI RAID Controller
Message-ID: <mailman.11336.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all,

Anyone know where I can get a second-hand SCSI RAID controller?  I've
had no luck on ebay (got outbid on one in the last 8 seconds of the
auction!) and haven't been able to find any good second-hand dealers
that have them.  The kind I'm after is commonly referred to as "SCSI 2
SCSI" meaning it's host independant rather than a PCI card, models like
the CRD-5000, Mylex DAC-960S.  Of course, the other thing is it needs to
be affordable :)

cheers,

Rob.




From jason at intercom.com  Tue Aug  1 17:31:49 2000
From: jason at intercom.com (Jason J. Horton)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:31:49 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11337.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
(preferably an online version of the manual)

If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.

-- 
	-Jason J. Horton <jason at intercom.com>
	 Fat Man in a Little Coat
	 Intercom Online Inc. 
	 212.376.7440 | http://www.intercom.com




From JasonJ.Hortonjason at intercom.com  Tue Aug  1 17:31:49 2000
From: JasonJ.Hortonjason at intercom.com (JasonJ.Hortonjason at intercom.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:31:49 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11338.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
(preferably an online version of the manual)

If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.

-- 
	-Jason J. Horton <jason at intercom.com>
	 Fat Man in a Little Coat
	 Intercom Online Inc. 
	 212.376.7440 | http://www.intercom.com




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Aug  1 18:03:48 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:03:48 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11339.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason J. Horton [mailto:jason at intercom.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:32 PM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
> 
> The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
> was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
> (preferably an online version of the manual)
> 
> If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.

Ooh, I need one of those trashfairys.  :-)  MemoryX has ram for these
beasts.  The FABAOSS has some information on the SS10, as does the SHR.
Both should be linked from the main page of SunHelp.org.  
	Greg




From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Aug  1 18:03:48 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 16:03:48 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11340.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason J. Horton [mailto:jason at intercom.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 3:32 PM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
> 
> The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
> was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
> (preferably an online version of the manual)
> 
> If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.

Ooh, I need one of those trashfairys.  :-)  MemoryX has ram for these
beasts.  The FABAOSS has some information on the SS10, as does the SHR.
Both should be linked from the main page of SunHelp.org.  
	Greg




From jason at intercom.com  Tue Aug  1 18:33:57 2000
From: jason at intercom.com (Jason J. Horton)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:33:57 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11341.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> > The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
> > was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
> > (preferably an online version of the manual)
> >
> > If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.
> 
> Ooh, I need one of those trashfairys.  :-)

The trashfairy also left behind a pair of parted out IPXs.

Another question. I am having a hard time finding out what the
MBUS and SBUS cards in the SS10 are. Checked the board FAQ pages
and only found a match for the cpu module (5012219016397 which
I assume is a 501-2219, a SM40). Cant find anything for:
5012275005281 (says printer on the faceplate)
5011931015543

Anyone have any ideas? Am I just not looking thru the list properly?

-- 
	-Jason J. Horton <jason at intercom.com>
	 Fat Man in a Little Coat
	 Intercom Online Inc. 
	 212.376.7440 | http://www.intercom.com




From JasonJ.Hortonjason at intercom.com  Tue Aug  1 18:33:57 2000
From: JasonJ.Hortonjason at intercom.com (JasonJ.Hortonjason at intercom.com)
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 19:33:57 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11342.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> > The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
> > was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
> > (preferably an online version of the manual)
> >
> > If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.
> 
> Ooh, I need one of those trashfairys.  :-)

The trashfairy also left behind a pair of parted out IPXs.

Another question. I am having a hard time finding out what the
MBUS and SBUS cards in the SS10 are. Checked the board FAQ pages
and only found a match for the cpu module (5012219016397 which
I assume is a 501-2219, a SM40). Cant find anything for:
5012275005281 (says printer on the faceplate)
5011931015543

Anyone have any ideas? Am I just not looking thru the list properly?

-- 
	-Jason J. Horton <jason at intercom.com>
	 Fat Man in a Little Coat
	 Intercom Online Inc. 
	 212.376.7440 | http://www.intercom.com




From pkhoury2 at loop.com  Tue Aug  1 23:08:17 2000
From: pkhoury2 at loop.com (pkhoury2 at loop.com)
Date: Tue,  1 Aug 2000 21:08:17 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
Message-ID: <mailman.11343.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Does anyone have any suggestions on installing Elightenment on
my SPARC?  I'd like to put it on my SS2 (knowning that graphics
are only 8 bit and slow, but oh well).

I just got a new job, so I'm making about 40% more, which possibly
means a faster SPARC. =)

Thanks,

Paul

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From pkhoury2 at loop.compkhoury2  Tue Aug  1 23:08:17 2000
From: pkhoury2 at loop.compkhoury2 (pkhoury2 at loop.compkhoury2)
Date: Tue,  1 Aug 2000 21:08:17 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
Message-ID: <mailman.11344.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Does anyone have any suggestions on installing Elightenment on
my SPARC?  I'd like to put it on my SS2 (knowning that graphics
are only 8 bit and slow, but oh well).

I just got a new job, so I'm making about 40% more, which possibly
means a faster SPARC. =)

Thanks,

Paul

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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Aug  1 23:55:29 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:55:29 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
Message-ID: <mailman.11345.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pkhoury2 at loop.com [mailto:pkhoury2 at loop.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:08 PM
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org; rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions on installing Elightenment on
> my SPARC?  I'd like to put it on my SS2 (knowning that graphics
> are only 8 bit and slow, but oh well).

Yes, just one, considering the machine that you have.  DON'T.  You'll hate
yourself.  That machine is not fast enough to run E on.  That said, get the
package from www.sunfreeware.com.  Bill seems to like WM as a WM.  I just
don't run X on my SPARCs anymore, so I don't have a preference.  My x86
machines run GNOME, using Sawmill.
	Greg




From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Aug  1 23:55:29 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:55:29 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
Message-ID: <mailman.11346.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pkhoury2 at loop.com [mailto:pkhoury2 at loop.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 9:08 PM
> To: sunhelp at sunhelp.org; rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions on installing Elightenment on
> my SPARC?  I'd like to put it on my SS2 (knowning that graphics
> are only 8 bit and slow, but oh well).

Yes, just one, considering the machine that you have.  DON'T.  You'll hate
yourself.  That machine is not fast enough to run E on.  That said, get the
package from www.sunfreeware.com.  Bill seems to like WM as a WM.  I just
don't run X on my SPARCs anymore, so I don't have a preference.  My x86
machines run GNOME, using Sawmill.
	Greg




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Aug  1 23:59:30 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:59:30 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11347.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason J. Horton [mailto:jason at intercom.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:34 PM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
> 
> Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> > > The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
> > > was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
> > > (preferably an online version of the manual)
> > >
> > > If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.
> > 
> > Ooh, I need one of those trashfairys.  :-)
> 
> The trashfairy also left behind a pair of parted out IPXs.
> 
> Another question. I am having a hard time finding out what the
> MBUS and SBUS cards in the SS10 are. Checked the board FAQ pages
> and only found a match for the cpu module (5012219016397 which
> I assume is a 501-2219, a SM40). Cant find anything for:
> 5012275005281 (says printer on the faceplate)

This is an SBUS card (but you knew that).  It's for a NeWS printer.  I think
it needs a special cable to talk to a NeWS printer.  Check out the archives,
there are some more details there.

> 5011931015543

I find this one as a Serial/Parallel controller.  No real information on
this one, but do a search for 501-1931 on google, it turns up a few hits.
CCNY may even be able to tell you a little about it (that's the first link
on my search).  
	Greg




From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Aug  1 23:59:30 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 21:59:30 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11348.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason J. Horton [mailto:jason at intercom.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 4:34 PM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
> 
> Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> > > The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
> > > was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
> > > (preferably an online version of the manual)
> > >
> > > If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.
> > 
> > Ooh, I need one of those trashfairys.  :-)
> 
> The trashfairy also left behind a pair of parted out IPXs.
> 
> Another question. I am having a hard time finding out what the
> MBUS and SBUS cards in the SS10 are. Checked the board FAQ pages
> and only found a match for the cpu module (5012219016397 which
> I assume is a 501-2219, a SM40). Cant find anything for:
> 5012275005281 (says printer on the faceplate)

This is an SBUS card (but you knew that).  It's for a NeWS printer.  I think
it needs a special cable to talk to a NeWS printer.  Check out the archives,
there are some more details there.

> 5011931015543

I find this one as a Serial/Parallel controller.  No real information on
this one, but do a search for 501-1931 on google, it turns up a few hits.
CCNY may even be able to tell you a little about it (that's the first link
on my search).  
	Greg




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  2 00:12:22 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:12:22 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11349.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Nobody on the OpenBSD list seems to be able to answer my OpenBSD question,
so I thought I'd try here.  How can I set the MAC address on an ethernet
card?  More importantly, how can I make it stay through reboots?  I need to
have it changed for some testing of OpenBSD as a firewall, but I can't
figure it out.  Thanks,
	Greg

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From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  2 00:12:22 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 22:12:22 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11350.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Nobody on the OpenBSD list seems to be able to answer my OpenBSD question,
so I thought I'd try here.  How can I set the MAC address on an ethernet
card?  More importantly, how can I make it stay through reboots?  I need to
have it changed for some testing of OpenBSD as a firewall, but I can't
figure it out.  Thanks,
	Greg

|---------------------------------------------------|
| Windows NT has detected that there were no errors |
| for the past 10 minutes. The system will now try  |
| to restart or crash. Click the OK button to       |
| continue.                                         |
|                      < Ok >                       |
|---------------------------------------------------|
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From P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk  Wed Aug  2 02:44:15 2000
From: P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.Osborne)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:44:15 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11351.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 06:31:49PM -0400, Jason J. Horton wrote:
> The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
> was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
> (preferably an online version of the manual)
> 
> If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.


Cant help with the RAM as I am scrounging memory for my own at the moment,
but I have found the manuals online at docs.sun.com  they are also
downloadable in pdf format.

--Paul




From P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk  Wed Aug  2 02:44:15 2000
From: P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:44:15 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStation 10 questions
Message-ID: <mailman.11352.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Tue, Aug 01, 2000 at 06:31:49PM -0400, Jason J. Horton wrote:
> The trashfairy recently left me a parted out SS10, and
> was wondering if anyone had any good info on these boxen
> (preferably an online version of the manual)
> 
> If anyone has cheap RAM for one, I'd be interested.


Cant help with the RAM as I am scrounging memory for my own at the moment,
but I have found the manuals online at docs.sun.com  they are also
downloadable in pdf format.

--Paul




From martin at dsres.com  Wed Aug  2 05:17:24 2000
From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:17:24 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11353.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> Nobody on the OpenBSD list seems to be able to answer my OpenBSD question,
> so I thought I'd try here.  How can I set the MAC address on an ethernet
> card?  More importantly, how can I make it stay through reboots?  I need to
> have it changed for some testing of OpenBSD as a firewall, but I can't
> figure it out.  Thanks,

I don't know which machine and card you are using, but I found that
an le card in an IPC doesn't have its own MAC address: it simply takes
the address of the onboard ethernet (also le).

It may be that the only thing you can do is to change the ethernet
address in the NVRAM, rechecksum, and restart. Make sure you write
down all the original info so you can restore it!

--m




From MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com  Wed Aug  2 05:17:24 2000
From: MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com (MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 11:17:24 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11354.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:

> Nobody on the OpenBSD list seems to be able to answer my OpenBSD question,
> so I thought I'd try here.  How can I set the MAC address on an ethernet
> card?  More importantly, how can I make it stay through reboots?  I need to
> have it changed for some testing of OpenBSD as a firewall, but I can't
> figure it out.  Thanks,

I don't know which machine and card you are using, but I found that
an le card in an IPC doesn't have its own MAC address: it simply takes
the address of the onboard ethernet (also le).

It may be that the only thing you can do is to change the ethernet
address in the NVRAM, rechecksum, and restart. Make sure you write
down all the original info so you can restore it!

--m




From tom at nipltd.com  Wed Aug  2 06:12:16 2000
From: tom at nipltd.com (Tom)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:12:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11355.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hiya,

This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences are between and 
Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 200 and Ultra 1 
200E

Is it just the E models came with extra bits internally as standard, or is it 
something more?

Don't suppose there's anywhere on the web that has this info, is there?

Cheers,
TOM

--
Tom Kranz - tom at nipltd.com
Systems Administrator, New Information Paradigms Ltd.
My opinions are my own, not NIP's, and not my cat's.





From Tomtom at nipltd.com  Wed Aug  2 06:12:16 2000
From: Tomtom at nipltd.com (Tomtom at nipltd.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:12:16 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11356.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hiya,

This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences are between and 
Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 200 and Ultra 1 
200E

Is it just the E models came with extra bits internally as standard, or is it 
something more?

Don't suppose there's anywhere on the web that has this info, is there?

Cheers,
TOM

--
Tom Kranz - tom at nipltd.com
Systems Administrator, New Information Paradigms Ltd.
My opinions are my own, not NIP's, and not my cat's.





From madram at video.de  Wed Aug  2 06:21:15 2000
From: madram at video.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?chris_G=FCnther?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:21:15 +0200
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcstation 2
Message-ID: <mailman.11357.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Hi Kings,

I was offered a SUN SparcStation 2 with the following 
configuration and I'd like to know if it is any good.

	ROM Vers. 2.9
	16 MB RAM
	CG3 Color Frame Buffer
	Seagate ST1480N (404 MB)
	AUI Ethernet
	Floppy
	Solaris 2.6 preinstalled (as a test he says)
	NVRAM empty

it's kind of urgent, so I'd really appreciate a quick
and dirty answer.

	many many thanks in advance

		chris

+---------------------------------+
|             chris               |
| ------------------------------- |
|  database design & programming  |
|   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
|                                 |
|                 madram at video.de |
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From =?iso-8859-1?Q?chris_G=FCnther?=madram at video.de  Wed Aug  2 06:21:15 2000
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?chris_G=FCnther?=madram at video.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?chris_G=FCnther?=madram at video.de)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:21:15 +0200
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcstation 2
Message-ID: <mailman.11358.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BFFC84.892FD840
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Hi Kings,

I was offered a SUN SparcStation 2 with the following 
configuration and I'd like to know if it is any good.

	ROM Vers. 2.9
	16 MB RAM
	CG3 Color Frame Buffer
	Seagate ST1480N (404 MB)
	AUI Ethernet
	Floppy
	Solaris 2.6 preinstalled (as a test he says)
	NVRAM empty

it's kind of urgent, so I'd really appreciate a quick
and dirty answer.

	many many thanks in advance

		chris

+---------------------------------+
|             chris               |
| ------------------------------- |
|  database design & programming  |
|   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
|                                 |
|                 madram at video.de |
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From P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk  Wed Aug  2 06:29:18 2000
From: P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.Osborne)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:29:18 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcstation 2
Message-ID: <mailman.11359.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

If its free grab it and run!

If its not then consider what you want to do as there isnt a lot
of memory in it (max 64mb) and the hard disk isnt large either.

Solaris probably wont be worth the effort but Net/Open BSD will
probably be just fine.

If you do have to part with cash for it,  I personally wouldnt
pay more than 50gbp.

Hope that helps

Paul

On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 01:21:15PM +0200, chris Gnther wrote:
> Hi Kings,
> 
> I was offered a SUN SparcStation 2 with the following 
> configuration and I'd like to know if it is any good.
> 
> 	ROM Vers. 2.9
> 	16 MB RAM
> 	CG3 Color Frame Buffer
> 	Seagate ST1480N (404 MB)
> 	AUI Ethernet
> 	Floppy
> 	Solaris 2.6 preinstalled (as a test he says)
> 	NVRAM empty
> 
> it's kind of urgent, so I'd really appreciate a quick
> and dirty answer.
> 
> 	many many thanks in advance
> 
> 		chris
> 
> +---------------------------------+
> |             chris               |
> | ------------------------------- |
> |  database design & programming  |
> |   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
> |                                 |
> |                 madram at video.de |
> +---------------------------------+ 





From P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk  Wed Aug  2 06:29:18 2000
From: P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 12:29:18 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcstation 2
Message-ID: <mailman.11360.1174460352.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

If its free grab it and run!

If its not then consider what you want to do as there isnt a lot
of memory in it (max 64mb) and the hard disk isnt large either.

Solaris probably wont be worth the effort but Net/Open BSD will
probably be just fine.

If you do have to part with cash for it,  I personally wouldnt
pay more than 50gbp.

Hope that helps

Paul

On Wed, Aug 02, 2000 at 01:21:15PM +0200, chris Gnther wrote:
> Hi Kings,
> 
> I was offered a SUN SparcStation 2 with the following 
> configuration and I'd like to know if it is any good.
> 
> 	ROM Vers. 2.9
> 	16 MB RAM
> 	CG3 Color Frame Buffer
> 	Seagate ST1480N (404 MB)
> 	AUI Ethernet
> 	Floppy
> 	Solaris 2.6 preinstalled (as a test he says)
> 	NVRAM empty
> 
> it's kind of urgent, so I'd really appreciate a quick
> and dirty answer.
> 
> 	many many thanks in advance
> 
> 		chris
> 
> +---------------------------------+
> |             chris               |
> | ------------------------------- |
> |  database design & programming  |
> |   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
> |                                 |
> |                 madram at video.de |
> +---------------------------------+ 





From jon at jonworld.com  Wed Aug  2 07:21:22 2000
From: jon at jonworld.com (Jonathan Katz)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:21:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11361.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hey there!

Tom wrote:
:This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences are between and 
:Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 200 and Ultra 1 
:200E

On the Ultra1 series the 'E' designation was the second-gen product-- it
had a UPA slot for Creator2D/3D graphics and on-board hme (10/100) ethernet
instead of just le (10Mbit.)

-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com  Wed Aug  2 07:21:22 2000
From: JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com (JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:21:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11362.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hey there!

Tom wrote:
:This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences are between and 
:Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 200 and Ultra 1 
:200E

On the Ultra1 series the 'E' designation was the second-gen product-- it
had a UPA slot for Creator2D/3D graphics and on-board hme (10/100) ethernet
instead of just le (10Mbit.)

-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From tom at nipltd.com  Wed Aug  2 08:06:41 2000
From: tom at nipltd.com (Tom)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:06:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11363.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

>Tom wrote:
>:This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences are between and 
>:Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 200 and Ultra 1 
>:200E
>
>On the Ultra1 series the 'E' designation was the second-gen product-- it
>had a UPA slot for Creator2D/3D graphics and on-board hme (10/100) ethernet
>instead of just le (10Mbit.)

Aha! Excellent - thanks very much, Jon!

Cheers,
TOM

--
Tom Kranz - tom at nipltd.com
Systems Administrator, New Information Paradigms Ltd.
My opinions are my own, not NIP's, and not my cat's.





From Tomtom at nipltd.com  Wed Aug  2 08:06:41 2000
From: Tomtom at nipltd.com (Tomtom at nipltd.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:06:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11364.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

>Tom wrote:
>:This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences are between and 
>:Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 200 and Ultra 1 
>:200E
>
>On the Ultra1 series the 'E' designation was the second-gen product-- it
>had a UPA slot for Creator2D/3D graphics and on-board hme (10/100) ethernet
>instead of just le (10Mbit.)

Aha! Excellent - thanks very much, Jon!

Cheers,
TOM

--
Tom Kranz - tom at nipltd.com
Systems Administrator, New Information Paradigms Ltd.
My opinions are my own, not NIP's, and not my cat's.





From jeisch at boku.net  Wed Aug  2 08:36:51 2000
From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:36:51 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
Message-ID: <mailman.11365.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> package from www.sunfreeware.com.  Bill seems to like WM as a WM.  I just
> don't run X on my SPARCs anymore, so I don't have a preference.  My x86
> machines run GNOME, using Sawmill.

if you are set on using a window manager other than open Windows on a
SS2, I'd put NetBSD (I haven't used open) on it and then choose a fairly
low resource one, I used OpenStep for a while on a diskless classic and
it worked about as fast as CDE on my ss5.  suppose that has a bit to do
with ram, the classic has 40mb.

-Jonathan




From JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net  Wed Aug  2 08:36:51 2000
From: JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net (JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:36:51 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
Message-ID: <mailman.11366.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> package from www.sunfreeware.com.  Bill seems to like WM as a WM.  I just
> don't run X on my SPARCs anymore, so I don't have a preference.  My x86
> machines run GNOME, using Sawmill.

if you are set on using a window manager other than open Windows on a
SS2, I'd put NetBSD (I haven't used open) on it and then choose a fairly
low resource one, I used OpenStep for a while on a diskless classic and
it worked about as fast as CDE on my ss5.  suppose that has a bit to do
with ram, the classic has 40mb.

-Jonathan




From bruce at pullig.com  Wed Aug  2 09:07:05 2000
From: bruce at pullig.com (Bruce Pullig)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:07:05 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI RAID Controller
Message-ID: <mailman.11367.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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I have a CRD-5500 I'd be willing to sell.  Make me an offer.

Bruce Pullig
bruce at pullig.com
www.pullig.com

-----Original Message-----

From: RR [SMTP:rr at nospamrits.com.au]

Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 AM

To: rescue at sunhelp.org

Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI RAID Controller

Hi all,

Anyone know where I can get a second-hand SCSI RAID controller? I've

had no luck on ebay (got outbid on one in the last 8 seconds of the

auction!) and haven't been able to find any good second-hand dealers

that have them. The kind I'm after is commonly referred to as "SCSI 2

SCSI" meaning it's host independant rather than a PCI card, models like

the CRD-5000, Mylex DAC-960S. Of course, the other thing is it needs to

be affordable :)

cheers,

Rob.

_______________________________________________

Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org

http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue


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<DIR>
<DIR>
<DIR>
<DIR><B>
<P>From: </B>RR [SMTP:rr at nospamrits.com.au]</P><B>
<P>Sent: </B>Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 AM</P><B>
<P>To: </B>rescue at sunhelp.org</P><B>
<P>Subject: </B>[SunRescue] SCSI RAID Controller</P></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
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<P>Hi all,</P>
<P>Anyone know where I can get a second-hand SCSI RAID controller? =
I've</P>
<P>had no luck on ebay (got outbid on one in the last 8 seconds of =
the</P>
<P>auction!) and haven't been able to find any good second-hand =
dealers</P>
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2</P>
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like</P>
<P>the CRD-5000, Mylex DAC-960S. Of course, the other thing is it needs =
to</P>
<P>be affordable :)</P>
<P>cheers,</P>
<P>Rob.</P>
<P>_______________________________________________</P>
<P>Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org</P>
<P>http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue</P></DIR></FONT></DIV><=
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From BrucePulligbruce at pullig.com  Wed Aug  2 09:07:05 2000
From: BrucePulligbruce at pullig.com (BrucePulligbruce at pullig.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 09:07:05 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI RAID Controller
Message-ID: <mailman.11368.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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I have a CRD-5500 I'd be willing to sell.  Make me an offer.

Bruce Pullig
bruce at pullig.com
www.pullig.com

-----Original Message-----

From: RR [SMTP:rr at nospamrits.com.au]

Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 AM

To: rescue at sunhelp.org

Subject: [SunRescue] SCSI RAID Controller

Hi all,

Anyone know where I can get a second-hand SCSI RAID controller? I've

had no luck on ebay (got outbid on one in the last 8 seconds of the

auction!) and haven't been able to find any good second-hand dealers

that have them. The kind I'm after is commonly referred to as "SCSI 2

SCSI" meaning it's host independant rather than a PCI card, models like

the CRD-5000, Mylex DAC-960S. Of course, the other thing is it needs to

be affordable :)

cheers,

Rob.

_______________________________________________

Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org

http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue


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<P>Sent: </B>Tuesday, August 01, 2000 6:26 AM</P><B>
<P>To: </B>rescue at sunhelp.org</P><B>
<P>Subject: </B>[SunRescue] SCSI RAID Controller</P></FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2></DIR></DIR></DIR></DIR>
<P>Hi all,</P>
<P>Anyone know where I can get a second-hand SCSI RAID controller? =
I've</P>
<P>had no luck on ebay (got outbid on one in the last 8 seconds of =
the</P>
<P>auction!) and haven't been able to find any good second-hand =
dealers</P>
<P>that have them. The kind I'm after is commonly referred to as "SCSI =
2</P>
<P>SCSI" meaning it's host independant rather than a PCI card, models =
like</P>
<P>the CRD-5000, Mylex DAC-960S. Of course, the other thing is it needs =
to</P>
<P>be affordable :)</P>
<P>cheers,</P>
<P>Rob.</P>
<P>_______________________________________________</P>
<P>Rescue maillist - Rescue at sunhelp.org</P>
<P>http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue</P></DIR></FONT></DIV><=
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From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  2 09:10:36 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:10:36 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11369.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Katz [mailto:jon at jonworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:21 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
> 
> Hey there!
> 
> Tom wrote:
> :This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences 
> are between and 
> :Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 
> 200 and Ultra 1 
> :200E
> 
> On the Ultra1 series the 'E' designation was the second-gen 
> product-- it
> had a UPA slot for Creator2D/3D graphics and on-board hme 
> (10/100) ethernet
> instead of just le (10Mbit.)

Plus a better SCSI controller.  I can't recall if it's fast/wide, or
ultra/wide, but I'm inclined to think that it's the former.  
	Greg




From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  2 09:10:36 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:10:36 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11370.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Katz [mailto:jon at jonworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:21 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
> 
> Hey there!
> 
> Tom wrote:
> :This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences 
> are between and 
> :Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 
> 200 and Ultra 1 
> :200E
> 
> On the Ultra1 series the 'E' designation was the second-gen 
> product-- it
> had a UPA slot for Creator2D/3D graphics and on-board hme 
> (10/100) ethernet
> instead of just le (10Mbit.)

Plus a better SCSI controller.  I can't recall if it's fast/wide, or
ultra/wide, but I'm inclined to think that it's the former.  
	Greg




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  2 09:24:34 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:24:34 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11371.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Frost [mailto:martin at dsres.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:17 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
> 
> Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> > Nobody on the OpenBSD list seems to be able to answer my 
> OpenBSD question,
> > so I thought I'd try here.  How can I set the MAC address 
> on an ethernet
> > card?  More importantly, how can I make it stay through 
> reboots?  I need to
> > have it changed for some testing of OpenBSD as a firewall, 
> but I can't
> > figure it out.  Thanks,
> 
> I don't know which machine and card you are using, but I found that
> an le card in an IPC doesn't have its own MAC address: it simply takes
> the address of the onboard ethernet (also le).
> 
> It may be that the only thing you can do is to change the ethernet
> address in the NVRAM, rechecksum, and restart. Make sure you write
> down all the original info so you can restore it!

ok, but I need to put both cards on the same ethernet segment, thus they
must have different MAC addresses right?  I'm using an SS2 with the onboard
and an SBUS LANCE.  I'm trying to do some testing with this machine before
it replaces an old 486 as my firewall.  Thanks,
	Greg




From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  2 09:24:34 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 07:24:34 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11372.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin Frost [mailto:martin at dsres.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:17 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
> 
> Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> > Nobody on the OpenBSD list seems to be able to answer my 
> OpenBSD question,
> > so I thought I'd try here.  How can I set the MAC address 
> on an ethernet
> > card?  More importantly, how can I make it stay through 
> reboots?  I need to
> > have it changed for some testing of OpenBSD as a firewall, 
> but I can't
> > figure it out.  Thanks,
> 
> I don't know which machine and card you are using, but I found that
> an le card in an IPC doesn't have its own MAC address: it simply takes
> the address of the onboard ethernet (also le).
> 
> It may be that the only thing you can do is to change the ethernet
> address in the NVRAM, rechecksum, and restart. Make sure you write
> down all the original info so you can restore it!

ok, but I need to put both cards on the same ethernet segment, thus they
must have different MAC addresses right?  I'm using an SS2 with the onboard
and an SBUS LANCE.  I'm trying to do some testing with this machine before
it replaces an old 486 as my firewall.  Thanks,
	Greg




From jon at jonworld.com  Wed Aug  2 09:31:25 2000
From: jon at jonworld.com (Jonathan Katz)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11373.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:

:ok, but I need to put both cards on the same ethernet segment, thus they
:must have different MAC addresses right?  I'm using an SS2 with the onboard
:and an SBUS LANCE.  I'm trying to do some testing with this machine before
:it replaces an old 486 as my firewall.  Thanks,

Simple fix. @ the PROM type:

ok  setenv local-mac-address? true

... And then boot. By default your Sun box will publish the base MAC 
address (MAC adress on motherboard) on all ethernet interfaces. Fixing
this PROM value will fix that and will force the local address on each
NIC to be published.

-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com  Wed Aug  2 09:31:25 2000
From: JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com (JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 10:31:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11374.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:

:ok, but I need to put both cards on the same ethernet segment, thus they
:must have different MAC addresses right?  I'm using an SS2 with the onboard
:and an SBUS LANCE.  I'm trying to do some testing with this machine before
:it replaces an old 486 as my firewall.  Thanks,

Simple fix. @ the PROM type:

ok  setenv local-mac-address? true

... And then boot. By default your Sun box will publish the base MAC 
address (MAC adress on motherboard) on all ethernet interfaces. Fixing
this PROM value will fix that and will force the local address on each
NIC to be published.

-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From randall at csonline.net  Wed Aug  2 10:20:06 2000
From: randall at csonline.net (Eric Randall)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:20:06 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcstation 2
Message-ID: <mailman.11375.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

If you need an nvram I got a mostly dead ss2 board with the nvram still
kicking.  You can have the nvram chip for postage if you want.

eric

chris Gnther wrote:

> Hi Kings,
>
> I was offered a SUN SparcStation 2 with the following
> configuration and I'd like to know if it is any good.
>
>         ROM Vers. 2.9
>         16 MB RAM
>         CG3 Color Frame Buffer
>         Seagate ST1480N (404 MB)
>         AUI Ethernet
>         Floppy
>         Solaris 2.6 preinstalled (as a test he says)
>         NVRAM empty
>
> it's kind of urgent, so I'd really appreciate a quick
> and dirty answer.
>
>         many many thanks in advance
>
>                 chris
>
> +---------------------------------+
> |             chris               |
> | ------------------------------- |
> |  database design & programming  |
> |   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
> |                                 |
> |                 madram at video.de |
> +---------------------------------+





From EricRandallrandall at csonline.net  Wed Aug  2 10:20:06 2000
From: EricRandallrandall at csonline.net (EricRandallrandall at csonline.net)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 08:20:06 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparcstation 2
Message-ID: <mailman.11376.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

If you need an nvram I got a mostly dead ss2 board with the nvram still
kicking.  You can have the nvram chip for postage if you want.

eric

chris Gnther wrote:

> Hi Kings,
>
> I was offered a SUN SparcStation 2 with the following
> configuration and I'd like to know if it is any good.
>
>         ROM Vers. 2.9
>         16 MB RAM
>         CG3 Color Frame Buffer
>         Seagate ST1480N (404 MB)
>         AUI Ethernet
>         Floppy
>         Solaris 2.6 preinstalled (as a test he says)
>         NVRAM empty
>
> it's kind of urgent, so I'd really appreciate a quick
> and dirty answer.
>
>         many many thanks in advance
>
>                 chris
>
> +---------------------------------+
> |             chris               |
> | ------------------------------- |
> |  database design & programming  |
> |   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
> |                                 |
> |                 madram at video.de |
> +---------------------------------+





From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  2 10:46:04 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:46:04 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11377.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Katz [mailto:jon at jonworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:31 AM
> To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org'
> Subject: RE: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
> 
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> :ok, but I need to put both cards on the same ethernet 
> segment, thus they
> :must have different MAC addresses right?  I'm using an SS2 
> with the onboard
> :and an SBUS LANCE.  I'm trying to do some testing with this 
> machine before
> :it replaces an old 486 as my firewall.  Thanks,
> 
> Simple fix. @ the PROM type:
> 
> ok  setenv local-mac-address? true
> 
> ... And then boot. By default your Sun box will publish the base MAC 
> address (MAC adress on motherboard) on all ethernet interfaces. Fixing
> this PROM value will fix that and will force the local address on each
> NIC to be published.

Which is all good if you have a newer NIC that actually has an ethernet
address.  However, I'm using an OLD SBUS NIC, which doesn't have it's own
ethernet address, it just takes the one from the host.  Which means that the
setenv local-mac-address? setting doesn't do anything on this machine when
using this NIC.  Lots of fun.  Somebody from the OpenBSD list told me to
search for "sea.c" in the archives for that list, so I'll try to get to that
later.  Thanks,
	Greg




From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  2 10:46:04 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 08:46:04 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11378.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Katz [mailto:jon at jonworld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:31 AM
> To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org'
> Subject: RE: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
> 
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> :ok, but I need to put both cards on the same ethernet 
> segment, thus they
> :must have different MAC addresses right?  I'm using an SS2 
> with the onboard
> :and an SBUS LANCE.  I'm trying to do some testing with this 
> machine before
> :it replaces an old 486 as my firewall.  Thanks,
> 
> Simple fix. @ the PROM type:
> 
> ok  setenv local-mac-address? true
> 
> ... And then boot. By default your Sun box will publish the base MAC 
> address (MAC adress on motherboard) on all ethernet interfaces. Fixing
> this PROM value will fix that and will force the local address on each
> NIC to be published.

Which is all good if you have a newer NIC that actually has an ethernet
address.  However, I'm using an OLD SBUS NIC, which doesn't have it's own
ethernet address, it just takes the one from the host.  Which means that the
setenv local-mac-address? setting doesn't do anything on this machine when
using this NIC.  Lots of fun.  Somebody from the OpenBSD list told me to
search for "sea.c" in the archives for that list, so I'll try to get to that
later.  Thanks,
	Greg




From nick at ns.snowman.net  Wed Aug  2 12:39:27 2000
From: nick at ns.snowman.net (nick at ns.snowman.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:39:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] E450 linux
Message-ID: <mailman.11379.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi, I've got a quick question that I hope has a quick answer.  I've got
the latest debian sparc cd, and I'm trying to install it on a E450.  Is
there some special param I need to pass silo?  Whenever silo tries to boot
the kernel it gets "UGH: property for adc was 8, need <1".
	Thanks
		Nick






From nick at ns.snowman.netnick  Wed Aug  2 12:39:27 2000
From: nick at ns.snowman.netnick (nick at ns.snowman.netnick)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 13:39:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] E450 linux
Message-ID: <mailman.11380.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi, I've got a quick question that I hope has a quick answer.  I've got
the latest debian sparc cd, and I'm trying to install it on a E450.  Is
there some special param I need to pass silo?  Whenever silo tries to boot
the kernel it gets "UGH: property for adc was 8, need <1".
	Thanks
		Nick






From twmaster at twmaster.com  Wed Aug  2 13:05:12 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:05:12 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11381.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

It's fast/wide.

Mike N 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Leblanc" <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan Katz [mailto:jon at jonworld.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:21 AM
> > To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
> > 
> > Hey there!
> > 
> > Tom wrote:
> > :This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences 
> > are between and 
> > :Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 
> > 200 and Ultra 1 
> > :200E
> > 
> > On the Ultra1 series the 'E' designation was the second-gen 
> > product-- it
> > had a UPA slot for Creator2D/3D graphics and on-board hme 
> > (10/100) ethernet
> > instead of just le (10Mbit.)
> 
> Plus a better SCSI controller.  I can't recall if it's fast/wide, or
> ultra/wide, but I'm inclined to think that it's the former.  
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Wed Aug  2 13:05:12 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 14:05:12 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
Message-ID: <mailman.11382.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

It's fast/wide.

Mike N 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gregory Leblanc" <GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:10 AM
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?


> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan Katz [mailto:jon at jonworld.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 5:21 AM
> > To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Difference between Ultra 1 models?
> > 
> > Hey there!
> > 
> > Tom wrote:
> > :This is probably a FAQ, but anyone say what the differences 
> > are between and 
> > :Ultra 1 <whatever> and an Ultra 1 <whatever> E? eg. Ultra 1 
> > 200 and Ultra 1 
> > :200E
> > 
> > On the Ultra1 series the 'E' designation was the second-gen 
> > product-- it
> > had a UPA slot for Creator2D/3D graphics and on-board hme 
> > (10/100) ethernet
> > instead of just le (10Mbit.)
> 
> Plus a better SCSI controller.  I can't recall if it's fast/wide, or
> ultra/wide, but I'm inclined to think that it's the former.  
> Greg
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From chris at searat.com  Wed Aug  2 18:33:26 2000
From: chris at searat.com (Chris Terwilliger)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:33:26 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11383.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan Katz [mailto:jon at jonworld.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:31 AM
> > To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org'
> > Subject: RE: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> >
> > :ok, but I need to put both cards on the same ethernet
> > segment, thus they
> > :must have different MAC addresses right?  I'm using an SS2
> > with the onboard
> > :and an SBUS LANCE.  I'm trying to do some testing with this
> > machine before
> > :it replaces an old 486 as my firewall.  Thanks,


You can change the MAC to anything you like...  I do this in an rc.ether
script that runs every time my IPX firewall boots.  eth0 gets the MAC
address of the motherboard automatically.  This is Redhat Linux, but
others are similar:

/sbin/ifconfig eth1 hw ether 00:40:05:42:e4:c6


-- 
// Chris Terwilliger
// chris at searat.com




From ChrisTerwilligerchris at searat.com  Wed Aug  2 18:33:26 2000
From: ChrisTerwilligerchris at searat.com (ChrisTerwilligerchris at searat.com)
Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 19:33:26 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
Message-ID: <mailman.11384.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jonathan Katz [mailto:jon at jonworld.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:31 AM
> > To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org'
> > Subject: RE: [SunRescue] OpenBSD and MAC address?
> >
> > On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> >
> > :ok, but I need to put both cards on the same ethernet
> > segment, thus they
> > :must have different MAC addresses right?  I'm using an SS2
> > with the onboard
> > :and an SBUS LANCE.  I'm trying to do some testing with this
> > machine before
> > :it replaces an old 486 as my firewall.  Thanks,


You can change the MAC to anything you like...  I do this in an rc.ether
script that runs every time my IPX firewall boots.  eth0 gets the MAC
address of the motherboard automatically.  This is Redhat Linux, but
others are similar:

/sbin/ifconfig eth1 hw ether 00:40:05:42:e4:c6


-- 
// Chris Terwilliger
// chris at searat.com




From jon at jonworld.com  Thu Aug  3 08:30:54 2000
From: jon at jonworld.com (Jonathan Katz)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:30:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] searching for ultrabook
Message-ID: <mailman.11385.1174460353.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hey folks!

I'm trying to track down (if possible) an Ultrabook (on the used
market. I don't even want to dream of what RDI wants for one.) Does
anyone have one collecting dust or have any leads?

Thanks!

-Jon
-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com  Thu Aug  3 08:30:54 2000
From: JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com (JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 09:30:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] searching for ultrabook
Message-ID: <mailman.11386.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hey folks!

I'm trying to track down (if possible) an Ultrabook (on the used
market. I don't even want to dream of what RDI wants for one.) Does
anyone have one collecting dust or have any leads?

Thanks!

-Jon
-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org  Thu Aug  3 10:12:37 2000
From: dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (dfp10)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:12:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for later OpenBoot eprom
Message-ID: <mailman.11387.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

My Sparc5 has OpenBoot 2.15 and appears to be preventing me from increasing the 
Optiquest Q95 monitor resolution beyond 1024x768x70. Anybody know where I can 
get a later version?
Thanks,
Don
###############################################################
Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047, fax: 402-5562





From dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org  Thu Aug  3 10:12:37 2000
From: dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:12:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Looking for later OpenBoot eprom
Message-ID: <mailman.11388.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

My Sparc5 has OpenBoot 2.15 and appears to be preventing me from increasing the 
Optiquest Q95 monitor resolution beyond 1024x768x70. Anybody know where I can 
get a later version?
Thanks,
Don
###############################################################
Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047, fax: 402-5562





From wstan at planet.nl  Thu Aug  3 14:11:43 2000
From: wstan at planet.nl (William Staniewicz)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:11:43 +0200
Subject: [SunRescue] In Search of a SparcBook
Message-ID: <mailman.11389.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I am interested in acquiring a SparcBook at a reasonable
cost. Besides bidding on Ebay, is there a better way to find
one. Also, if anyone has any personal experience they would like to
share on how satisfied they are with theirs I would like to know.
Presently, I live in the Netherlands, but I can have a friend
take delivery on one in the USA. Thank you.

Bill




From WilliamStaniewiczwstan at planet.nl  Thu Aug  3 14:11:43 2000
From: WilliamStaniewiczwstan at planet.nl (WilliamStaniewiczwstan at planet.nl)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:11:43 +0200
Subject: [SunRescue] In Search of a SparcBook
Message-ID: <mailman.11390.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I am interested in acquiring a SparcBook at a reasonable
cost. Besides bidding on Ebay, is there a better way to find
one. Also, if anyone has any personal experience they would like to
share on how satisfied they are with theirs I would like to know.
Presently, I live in the Netherlands, but I can have a friend
take delivery on one in the USA. Thank you.

Bill




From wstan at planet.nl  Thu Aug  3 14:32:05 2000
From: wstan at planet.nl (William Staniewicz)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:32:05 +0200
Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
Message-ID: <mailman.11391.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I have been using MWM on my FreeBSD 32 RAM pc and have found it a very
good "minimalist" platform for operating in the X environment. I had
tried enlightenment, afterstep, olvwm, and fvwm2 but think it does
the job well without burdening the system. Most of the time I have
a couple rxvt terms going and Netscape Navigator running with
licq and tik. A clock (swisswatch), mutt, xbiff (for mail notification), icon box and
"lightslategrey" background keep it simple. Maybe your sparc would
be happy too with a similar arrangement.

Bill

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pkhoury2 at loop.com [mailto:pkhoury2 at loop.com]
> > 
> > Does anyone have any suggestions on installing Elightenment on
> > my SPARC?  I'd like to put it on my SS2 (knowning that graphics
> > are only 8 bit and slow, but oh well).




From WilliamStaniewiczwstan at planet.nl  Thu Aug  3 14:32:05 2000
From: WilliamStaniewiczwstan at planet.nl (WilliamStaniewiczwstan at planet.nl)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 21:32:05 +0200
Subject: [SunRescue] Enlightenment
Message-ID: <mailman.11392.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I have been using MWM on my FreeBSD 32 RAM pc and have found it a very
good "minimalist" platform for operating in the X environment. I had
tried enlightenment, afterstep, olvwm, and fvwm2 but think it does
the job well without burdening the system. Most of the time I have
a couple rxvt terms going and Netscape Navigator running with
licq and tik. A clock (swisswatch), mutt, xbiff (for mail notification), icon box and
"lightslategrey" background keep it simple. Maybe your sparc would
be happy too with a similar arrangement.

Bill

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pkhoury2 at loop.com [mailto:pkhoury2 at loop.com]
> > 
> > Does anyone have any suggestions on installing Elightenment on
> > my SPARC?  I'd like to put it on my SS2 (knowning that graphics
> > are only 8 bit and slow, but oh well).




From druaga at pmail.net  Thu Aug  3 16:18:04 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:18:04 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11393.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I just had a couple of CDs drop in my lap so that I could make "Archival
Backup Copies" of them.  Could someone tell me what they are exactly and
were they fit in the scheme of things?

Solaris 1.2 (Sub-labeled: SunOS 4.1.3 and Open Windows Version 3 Sparc)
Sun-4m Supplement (Sub-labeled: for Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A Sparc)
Solaris 2.3 Sparc
Wabi 1.1 for Solaris 2 (Sparc x86)
SunPC Version 4.0.1 for Solaris 2

I know basically what these are but I need more specifics.

Also if someone would like to store my archival backup copies *wink wink*
please contact me personally.

Mike Hebel





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Thu Aug  3 16:18:04 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 16:18:04 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11394.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I just had a couple of CDs drop in my lap so that I could make "Archival
Backup Copies" of them.  Could someone tell me what they are exactly and
were they fit in the scheme of things?

Solaris 1.2 (Sub-labeled: SunOS 4.1.3 and Open Windows Version 3 Sparc)
Sun-4m Supplement (Sub-labeled: for Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A Sparc)
Solaris 2.3 Sparc
Wabi 1.1 for Solaris 2 (Sparc x86)
SunPC Version 4.0.1 for Solaris 2

I know basically what these are but I need more specifics.

Also if someone would like to store my archival backup copies *wink wink*
please contact me personally.

Mike Hebel





From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Fri Aug  4 07:53:44 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:53:44 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11395.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

See below...

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hebel" <druaga at pmail.net>
To: "Rescue at Sunhelp. Org" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> I just had a couple of CDs drop in my lap so that I could make "Archival
> Backup Copies" of them.  Could someone tell me what they are exactly and
> were they fit in the scheme of things?
>
> Solaris 1.2 (Sub-labeled: SunOS 4.1.3 and Open Windows Version 3 Sparc)

A nice, late-Rev. OS for older, less-capable systems (low memory, CPUs under
50 Mhz, etc.)

> Sun-4m Supplement (Sub-labeled: for Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A Sparc)

Patches/driver updates for Solaris 1.1 on Sun4m boxes (sorry, not much help
here)

> Solaris 2.3 Sparc

Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

> Wabi 1.1 for Solaris 2 (Sparc x86)

Allows you to run Win3.1 under Solaris 2.5.1 (IIRC about the release
levels) - not bad, since it doesn't "translate" code to run Win3.1
software,it maps calls from the application to Solaris system calls, and
since the processor family is the same, no translation of byte-code needed.
Probably quite usable on todays 400+ Mhz PII systems - it was reasonable on
P166 systems with adequate memory (64+ Meg).

> SunPC Version 4.0.1 for Solaris 2

SunPC software is used (mainly) with the SunPC Accelerator cards to emulate
a "real" PC in Solaris SPARC environment - this software will translate
system calls *and* every instruction in the software from x86 to SPARC, and
will use the workstations I/O. If you have the optional SunPC hardware -
essentially a PC with (no memory) on an sbus card then the software will run
much faster, since it no longer needs to translate *every* instruction from
x86 to SPARC. Speeds for the hardware ranged from 486sx/25 Mhz up to the
"speed deamon" AMD 586/133 Mhz CPU (about as fast as a P/75 or P/90 system,
depending on application). I have heard thet you *might* be able to use some
upgrade CPUs built for slower 486 machines, but have no first-hand knowledge
of this.

HTH,

Ken






From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Fri Aug  4 07:53:44 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 08:53:44 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11396.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

See below...

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hebel" <druaga at pmail.net>
To: "Rescue at Sunhelp. Org" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> I just had a couple of CDs drop in my lap so that I could make "Archival
> Backup Copies" of them.  Could someone tell me what they are exactly and
> were they fit in the scheme of things?
>
> Solaris 1.2 (Sub-labeled: SunOS 4.1.3 and Open Windows Version 3 Sparc)

A nice, late-Rev. OS for older, less-capable systems (low memory, CPUs under
50 Mhz, etc.)

> Sun-4m Supplement (Sub-labeled: for Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A Sparc)

Patches/driver updates for Solaris 1.1 on Sun4m boxes (sorry, not much help
here)

> Solaris 2.3 Sparc

Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

> Wabi 1.1 for Solaris 2 (Sparc x86)

Allows you to run Win3.1 under Solaris 2.5.1 (IIRC about the release
levels) - not bad, since it doesn't "translate" code to run Win3.1
software,it maps calls from the application to Solaris system calls, and
since the processor family is the same, no translation of byte-code needed.
Probably quite usable on todays 400+ Mhz PII systems - it was reasonable on
P166 systems with adequate memory (64+ Meg).

> SunPC Version 4.0.1 for Solaris 2

SunPC software is used (mainly) with the SunPC Accelerator cards to emulate
a "real" PC in Solaris SPARC environment - this software will translate
system calls *and* every instruction in the software from x86 to SPARC, and
will use the workstations I/O. If you have the optional SunPC hardware -
essentially a PC with (no memory) on an sbus card then the software will run
much faster, since it no longer needs to translate *every* instruction from
x86 to SPARC. Speeds for the hardware ranged from 486sx/25 Mhz up to the
"speed deamon" AMD 586/133 Mhz CPU (about as fast as a P/75 or P/90 system,
depending on application). I have heard thet you *might* be able to use some
upgrade CPUs built for slower 486 machines, but have no first-hand knowledge
of this.

HTH,

Ken






From bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Fri Aug  4 09:22:19 2000
From: bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11397.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> > Solaris 2.3 Sparc
> 
> Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
> later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

Where can one find a 2.5.1 these days?  The latest thing I have in my
cd collection is 2.4.  My target machine is an old SS2 thing.
The new 2.8 won't go on my dinosaurs.  So.... 

Bob




From BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Fri Aug  4 09:22:19 2000
From: BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11398.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> > Solaris 2.3 Sparc
> 
> Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
> later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

Where can one find a 2.5.1 these days?  The latest thing I have in my
cd collection is 2.4.  My target machine is an old SS2 thing.
The new 2.8 won't go on my dinosaurs.  So.... 

Bob




From bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Fri Aug  4 09:25:29 2000
From: bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:25:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Ancient sun cdrom info.....
Message-ID: <mailman.11399.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

By chance, in today's surplus pit dive, I came into a Sun 411 caddy run
cdrom.  Will this critter work on things as ancient as Sun3's and Sun4's?

Thanks

Bob





From BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Fri Aug  4 09:25:29 2000
From: BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:25:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Ancient sun cdrom info.....
Message-ID: <mailman.11400.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

By chance, in today's surplus pit dive, I came into a Sun 411 caddy run
cdrom.  Will this critter work on things as ancient as Sun3's and Sun4's?

Thanks

Bob





From druaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 09:29:29 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:29:29 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11401.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Thanks to you and everyone who gave me the info!  You guys have cleared up
what these all go to.

As for those of you with "storage" requests I will probably be sending the
CDs out on Monday or Tuesday.

BTW - I also have two versions of the MAE (Mac Emulator Environment) that I
am archiving as well.  I believe they are 1.0 and 2.0 versions respectively.
They do not run under 2.6 but should run under 2.5 or so.  They are also
available for storage.

Thanks again everybody!

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Ken Hansen
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:54 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


See below...

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hebel" <druaga at pmail.net>
To: "Rescue at Sunhelp. Org" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> I just had a couple of CDs drop in my lap so that I could make "Archival
> Backup Copies" of them.  Could someone tell me what they are exactly and
> were they fit in the scheme of things?
>
> Solaris 1.2 (Sub-labeled: SunOS 4.1.3 and Open Windows Version 3 Sparc)

A nice, late-Rev. OS for older, less-capable systems (low memory, CPUs under
50 Mhz, etc.)

> Sun-4m Supplement (Sub-labeled: for Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A Sparc)

Patches/driver updates for Solaris 1.1 on Sun4m boxes (sorry, not much help
here)

> Solaris 2.3 Sparc

Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

> Wabi 1.1 for Solaris 2 (Sparc x86)

Allows you to run Win3.1 under Solaris 2.5.1 (IIRC about the release
levels) - not bad, since it doesn't "translate" code to run Win3.1
software,it maps calls from the application to Solaris system calls, and
since the processor family is the same, no translation of byte-code needed.
Probably quite usable on todays 400+ Mhz PII systems - it was reasonable on
P166 systems with adequate memory (64+ Meg).

> SunPC Version 4.0.1 for Solaris 2

SunPC software is used (mainly) with the SunPC Accelerator cards to emulate
a "real" PC in Solaris SPARC environment - this software will translate
system calls *and* every instruction in the software from x86 to SPARC, and
will use the workstations I/O. If you have the optional SunPC hardware -
essentially a PC with (no memory) on an sbus card then the software will run
much faster, since it no longer needs to translate *every* instruction from
x86 to SPARC. Speeds for the hardware ranged from 486sx/25 Mhz up to the
"speed deamon" AMD 586/133 Mhz CPU (about as fast as a P/75 or P/90 system,
depending on application). I have heard thet you *might* be able to use some
upgrade CPUs built for slower 486 machines, but have no first-hand knowledge
of this.

HTH,

Ken


_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 09:29:29 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:29:29 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11402.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Thanks to you and everyone who gave me the info!  You guys have cleared up
what these all go to.

As for those of you with "storage" requests I will probably be sending the
CDs out on Monday or Tuesday.

BTW - I also have two versions of the MAE (Mac Emulator Environment) that I
am archiving as well.  I believe they are 1.0 and 2.0 versions respectively.
They do not run under 2.6 but should run under 2.5 or so.  They are also
available for storage.

Thanks again everybody!

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Ken Hansen
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 7:54 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


See below...

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Hebel" <druaga at pmail.net>
To: "Rescue at Sunhelp. Org" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:18 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> I just had a couple of CDs drop in my lap so that I could make "Archival
> Backup Copies" of them.  Could someone tell me what they are exactly and
> were they fit in the scheme of things?
>
> Solaris 1.2 (Sub-labeled: SunOS 4.1.3 and Open Windows Version 3 Sparc)

A nice, late-Rev. OS for older, less-capable systems (low memory, CPUs under
50 Mhz, etc.)

> Sun-4m Supplement (Sub-labeled: for Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A Sparc)

Patches/driver updates for Solaris 1.1 on Sun4m boxes (sorry, not much help
here)

> Solaris 2.3 Sparc

Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

> Wabi 1.1 for Solaris 2 (Sparc x86)

Allows you to run Win3.1 under Solaris 2.5.1 (IIRC about the release
levels) - not bad, since it doesn't "translate" code to run Win3.1
software,it maps calls from the application to Solaris system calls, and
since the processor family is the same, no translation of byte-code needed.
Probably quite usable on todays 400+ Mhz PII systems - it was reasonable on
P166 systems with adequate memory (64+ Meg).

> SunPC Version 4.0.1 for Solaris 2

SunPC software is used (mainly) with the SunPC Accelerator cards to emulate
a "real" PC in Solaris SPARC environment - this software will translate
system calls *and* every instruction in the software from x86 to SPARC, and
will use the workstations I/O. If you have the optional SunPC hardware -
essentially a PC with (no memory) on an sbus card then the software will run
much faster, since it no longer needs to translate *every* instruction from
x86 to SPARC. Speeds for the hardware ranged from 486sx/25 Mhz up to the
"speed deamon" AMD 586/133 Mhz CPU (about as fast as a P/75 or P/90 system,
depending on application). I have heard thet you *might* be able to use some
upgrade CPUs built for slower 486 machines, but have no first-hand knowledge
of this.

HTH,

Ken


_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From druaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 09:31:49 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:31:49 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11403.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hmmm... I probably shouldn't mention this but I also have copies of full 2.6
and a basic 2.7 CD.  (*sigh* I'm gonna have to go out and buy more blank
CDs.)

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:22 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> > Solaris 2.3 Sparc
>
> Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
> later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

Where can one find a 2.5.1 these days?  The latest thing I have in my
cd collection is 2.4.  My target machine is an old SS2 thing.
The new 2.8 won't go on my dinosaurs.  So....

Bob
_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 09:31:49 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:31:49 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11404.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hmmm... I probably shouldn't mention this but I also have copies of full 2.6
and a basic 2.7 CD.  (*sigh* I'm gonna have to go out and buy more blank
CDs.)

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:22 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> > Solaris 2.3 Sparc
>
> Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
> later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

Where can one find a 2.5.1 these days?  The latest thing I have in my
cd collection is 2.4.  My target machine is an old SS2 thing.
The new 2.8 won't go on my dinosaurs.  So....

Bob
_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From scohen at acxiom.com  Fri Aug  4 09:43:20 2000
From: scohen at acxiom.com (scohen - Stephen Cohen)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:43:20 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11405.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

BSD Bob,

I'll trade you the 2.5.1 OS media for your 411 CD.  The OS was loaded on an
IPX and ran quite nicely (at least as far as an IPX can run it!).

Regards,
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
[mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:22 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> > Solaris 2.3 Sparc
> 
> Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
> later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

Where can one find a 2.5.1 these days?  The latest thing I have in my
cd collection is 2.4.  My target machine is an old SS2 thing.
The new 2.8 won't go on my dinosaurs.  So.... 

Bob
_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com  Fri Aug  4 09:43:20 2000
From: scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com (scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:43:20 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11406.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

BSD Bob,

I'll trade you the 2.5.1 OS media for your 411 CD.  The OS was loaded on an
IPX and ran quite nicely (at least as far as an IPX can run it!).

Regards,
Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
[mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:22 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> > Solaris 2.3 Sparc
> 
> Ugh - why? One of the earlier releases of Solaris - you *really* want a
> later release of Solaris, like 2.5.1 or even 2.4 IMHO.

Where can one find a 2.5.1 these days?  The latest thing I have in my
cd collection is 2.4.  My target machine is an old SS2 thing.
The new 2.8 won't go on my dinosaurs.  So.... 

Bob
_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From druaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 09:46:00 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:46:00 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11407.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I think the problem is a common one among computer geeks in general. ;-)

Hmmm...maybe I'll post before and after pictures somewhere.  Those always
seem to be popular.

Anyhow - I'll get those CDs out as soon as I can.  As for the postage and
cost of CDR - don't worry about it.  I work on a case-by-case exchange
basis - within reason.  If I need something comparable I'll toss it out to
the group and see what comes up.  My karma does better that way and I
usually get what I need. ;-)

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: Pullig, Bruce A. [mailto:Bruce.A.Pullig at usa.conoco.com]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:35 AM
To: 'Mike Hebel'
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


Oh, I understand.  I have the same problem.  Send to:

*deleted*

I'll send you a check to cover postage & CDR if you wish.

-
*deleted*

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mike Hebel [SMTP:druaga at pmail.net]
> Sent:	Friday, August 04, 2000 9:25 AM
> To:	Pullig, Bruce A.
> Subject:	RE: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
>
> No problem - it'll probably be sent out on Monday due to a necessary
> reorganization of my systems at home.  (I have to be able to at least move
> between the computers. ;-)
>
> Mike Hebel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pullig, Bruce A. [mailto:Bruce.A.Pullig at usa.conoco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:11 PM
> To: 'druaga at pmail.net'
> Subject: RE: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
>
>
> I'd like to store a copy of SunPC for you.
>
> -
*deleted*

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Mike Hebel [SMTP:druaga at pmail.net]
> > Sent:	Thursday, August 03, 2000 4:18 PM
> > To:	Rescue at Sunhelp. Org
> > Subject:	[SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
> >
> > I just had a couple of CDs drop in my lap so that I could make "Archival
> > Backup Copies" of them.  Could someone tell me what they are exactly and
> > were they fit in the scheme of things?
> >
> > Solaris 1.2 (Sub-labeled: SunOS 4.1.3 and Open Windows Version 3 Sparc)
> > Sun-4m Supplement (Sub-labeled: for Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A Sparc)
> > Solaris 2.3 Sparc
> > Wabi 1.1 for Solaris 2 (Sparc x86)
> > SunPC Version 4.0.1 for Solaris 2
> >
> > I know basically what these are but I need more specifics.
> >
> > Also if someone would like to store my archival backup copies *wink
> wink*
> > please contact me personally.
> >
> > Mike Hebel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 09:46:00 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 09:46:00 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11408.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I think the problem is a common one among computer geeks in general. ;-)

Hmmm...maybe I'll post before and after pictures somewhere.  Those always
seem to be popular.

Anyhow - I'll get those CDs out as soon as I can.  As for the postage and
cost of CDR - don't worry about it.  I work on a case-by-case exchange
basis - within reason.  If I need something comparable I'll toss it out to
the group and see what comes up.  My karma does better that way and I
usually get what I need. ;-)

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: Pullig, Bruce A. [mailto:Bruce.A.Pullig at usa.conoco.com]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 9:35 AM
To: 'Mike Hebel'
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


Oh, I understand.  I have the same problem.  Send to:

*deleted*

I'll send you a check to cover postage & CDR if you wish.

-
*deleted*

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mike Hebel [SMTP:druaga at pmail.net]
> Sent:	Friday, August 04, 2000 9:25 AM
> To:	Pullig, Bruce A.
> Subject:	RE: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
>
> No problem - it'll probably be sent out on Monday due to a necessary
> reorganization of my systems at home.  (I have to be able to at least move
> between the computers. ;-)
>
> Mike Hebel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pullig, Bruce A. [mailto:Bruce.A.Pullig at usa.conoco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:11 PM
> To: 'druaga at pmail.net'
> Subject: RE: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
>
>
> I'd like to store a copy of SunPC for you.
>
> -
*deleted*

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	Mike Hebel [SMTP:druaga at pmail.net]
> > Sent:	Thursday, August 03, 2000 4:18 PM
> > To:	Rescue at Sunhelp. Org
> > Subject:	[SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
> >
> > I just had a couple of CDs drop in my lap so that I could make "Archival
> > Backup Copies" of them.  Could someone tell me what they are exactly and
> > were they fit in the scheme of things?
> >
> > Solaris 1.2 (Sub-labeled: SunOS 4.1.3 and Open Windows Version 3 Sparc)
> > Sun-4m Supplement (Sub-labeled: for Solaris 1.1 SMCC Version A Sparc)
> > Solaris 2.3 Sparc
> > Wabi 1.1 for Solaris 2 (Sparc x86)
> > SunPC Version 4.0.1 for Solaris 2
> >
> > I know basically what these are but I need more specifics.
> >
> > Also if someone would like to store my archival backup copies *wink
> wink*
> > please contact me personally.
> >
> > Mike Hebel
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Fri Aug  4 10:23:34 2000
From: bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:23:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11409.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> BSD Bob,
> 
> I'll trade you the 2.5.1 OS media for your 411 CD.  The OS was loaded on an
> IPX and ran quite nicely (at least as far as an IPX can run it!).
> 
> Regards,
> Steve

I'll have to pass.  I have been looking for any sun CD at a reasonable
price, for almost a year.  I had been using and old apple cd, but it
would not boot from it.  Now, hopefully, I can boot my machines off CD
as opposed to tape or floppy.

Good Luck finding one of your own, though.  They be somewhat not-so-common
critters, it seems.

Thanks for the offer, tho.....

Bob







From BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Fri Aug  4 10:23:34 2000
From: BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:23:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11410.1174460354.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> BSD Bob,
> 
> I'll trade you the 2.5.1 OS media for your 411 CD.  The OS was loaded on an
> IPX and ran quite nicely (at least as far as an IPX can run it!).
> 
> Regards,
> Steve

I'll have to pass.  I have been looking for any sun CD at a reasonable
price, for almost a year.  I had been using and old apple cd, but it
would not boot from it.  Now, hopefully, I can boot my machines off CD
as opposed to tape or floppy.

Good Luck finding one of your own, though.  They be somewhat not-so-common
critters, it seems.

Thanks for the offer, tho.....

Bob







From druaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 10:37:19 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:37:19 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11411.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I don't have an external case for you but I might be able to provide a SCSI
CD that boots Solaris on Sparc properly.  I got a few installed in a large
AT server cube that I just received from a friend.  I'll re-post with the
exact drive model later.  I have one on my SS5 at work right now that I
booted from to move /var from one drive to another so I know the drive
works.

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:24 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> BSD Bob,
>
> I'll trade you the 2.5.1 OS media for your 411 CD.  The OS was loaded on
an
> IPX and ran quite nicely (at least as far as an IPX can run it!).
>
> Regards,
> Steve

I'll have to pass.  I have been looking for any sun CD at a reasonable
price, for almost a year.  I had been using and old apple cd, but it
would not boot from it.  Now, hopefully, I can boot my machines off CD
as opposed to tape or floppy.

Good Luck finding one of your own, though.  They be somewhat not-so-common
critters, it seems.

Thanks for the offer, tho.....

Bob



_______________________________________________
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From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 10:37:19 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 10:37:19 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11412.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I don't have an external case for you but I might be able to provide a SCSI
CD that boots Solaris on Sparc properly.  I got a few installed in a large
AT server cube that I just received from a friend.  I'll re-post with the
exact drive model later.  I have one on my SS5 at work right now that I
booted from to move /var from one drive to another so I know the drive
works.

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 10:24 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...


> BSD Bob,
>
> I'll trade you the 2.5.1 OS media for your 411 CD.  The OS was loaded on
an
> IPX and ran quite nicely (at least as far as an IPX can run it!).
>
> Regards,
> Steve

I'll have to pass.  I have been looking for any sun CD at a reasonable
price, for almost a year.  I had been using and old apple cd, but it
would not boot from it.  Now, hopefully, I can boot my machines off CD
as opposed to tape or floppy.

Good Luck finding one of your own, though.  They be somewhat not-so-common
critters, it seems.

Thanks for the offer, tho.....

Bob



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From druaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 11:09:52 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:09:52 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11413.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'll know better after cleaning this weekend.  Wait!  I know - IPC/IPX NVRAM
chips if you have them.  I have three IPC boxes that I'd like to put into
friend(s) networks as BNETD (Battlenet) servers.  I also have a SS2 that the
NVRAM is flaky on so any of these chips would be desirable

>Your message dated: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:45:31 CDT
>I don't recall if I replied to you or not - busy morning, no coffee. *ugh*
>I'll send the CD out Monday probably.  Let me know where to send it to.
>
>you did.  =)
>
>anything you want of need that i could help with?





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Fri Aug  4 11:09:52 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:09:52 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CD's I just had drop in my lap...
Message-ID: <mailman.11414.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'll know better after cleaning this weekend.  Wait!  I know - IPC/IPX NVRAM
chips if you have them.  I have three IPC boxes that I'd like to put into
friend(s) networks as BNETD (Battlenet) servers.  I also have a SS2 that the
NVRAM is flaky on so any of these chips would be desirable

>Your message dated: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:45:31 CDT
>I don't recall if I replied to you or not - busy morning, no coffee. *ugh*
>I'll send the CD out Monday probably.  Let me know where to send it to.
>
>you did.  =)
>
>anything you want of need that i could help with?





From mhebel at methode.com  Fri Aug  4 11:15:11 2000
From: mhebel at methode.com (Mike Hebel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:15:11 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] RE: Contact Sun - Product Question    (KMM149785C0KM)
Message-ID: <mailman.11415.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

So in other words StarOffice is no longer a free product except in download
form and as soon as the documentation is completed for the other languages
the CD kits for those will disappear as well.  Do I have the right take on
this?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: CSR Customer Service [mailto:csr-customer-service at sun.com]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:02 AM
To: mhebel at methode.com
Subject: Re: Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149785C0KM)


Dear Mike Hebel,

There are currently no plans to offer the English CD alone. We feel that
the comprehensive printed user documentation is very important in
helping a customer understand StarOffice. The reason that some kits are
available in a CD only format is that the comprehensive User's Guide
localization for those languages has not yet been completed. In order to
provide the new release as quickly as possible to users, Sun has
released an interim CD with the software and a slim Getting Started
guide in the local language.

Please call 1-800-USA-4SUN for SunSolve information.  We apologize for
any inconvenience this may have caused you.

Sincerely,

Amanda Carter
Sun Customer Service Specialist


>
>Original message follows:
>-------------------------
>
>
>> From mhebel at methode.com Thu Aug  3 16:27:20 2000
>> From: mhebel at methode.com
>> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:24:25 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Contact Sun - Product Question
>> To: sunstore at sxprd16.East.Sun.COM
>>
>> Name: Mike Hebel
>> Title: I/T Administrator
>> Company: Methode Electronics - Network Bus Products
>> Phone number: (847) 577-9545
>> State: IL
>> Email address: mhebel at methode.com
>> Request: Product Question
>>
>> Comments:
>> Why can I not get just the StarOffice 5.2 CD in ENGLISH?
>>
>> Could you please let me know that?
>>
>> Also is this product available to Sunsolve contract customers as a
>free CD?  If so then how would I go about getting it?
>>
>> Please let me know as soon as possible.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Mike Hebel
>> I/T Administrator
>> Methode Electronics - Network Bus Products
>>
>>
>>
>>
>





From MikeHebelmhebel at methode.com  Fri Aug  4 11:15:11 2000
From: MikeHebelmhebel at methode.com (MikeHebelmhebel at methode.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:15:11 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] RE: Contact Sun - Product Question    (KMM149785C0KM)
Message-ID: <mailman.11416.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

So in other words StarOffice is no longer a free product except in download
form and as soon as the documentation is completed for the other languages
the CD kits for those will disappear as well.  Do I have the right take on
this?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: CSR Customer Service [mailto:csr-customer-service at sun.com]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:02 AM
To: mhebel at methode.com
Subject: Re: Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149785C0KM)


Dear Mike Hebel,

There are currently no plans to offer the English CD alone. We feel that
the comprehensive printed user documentation is very important in
helping a customer understand StarOffice. The reason that some kits are
available in a CD only format is that the comprehensive User's Guide
localization for those languages has not yet been completed. In order to
provide the new release as quickly as possible to users, Sun has
released an interim CD with the software and a slim Getting Started
guide in the local language.

Please call 1-800-USA-4SUN for SunSolve information.  We apologize for
any inconvenience this may have caused you.

Sincerely,

Amanda Carter
Sun Customer Service Specialist


>
>Original message follows:
>-------------------------
>
>
>> From mhebel at methode.com Thu Aug  3 16:27:20 2000
>> From: mhebel at methode.com
>> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:24:25 -0600 (MDT)
>> Subject: Contact Sun - Product Question
>> To: sunstore at sxprd16.East.Sun.COM
>>
>> Name: Mike Hebel
>> Title: I/T Administrator
>> Company: Methode Electronics - Network Bus Products
>> Phone number: (847) 577-9545
>> State: IL
>> Email address: mhebel at methode.com
>> Request: Product Question
>>
>> Comments:
>> Why can I not get just the StarOffice 5.2 CD in ENGLISH?
>>
>> Could you please let me know that?
>>
>> Also is this product available to Sunsolve contract customers as a
>free CD?  If so then how would I go about getting it?
>>
>> Please let me know as soon as possible.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Mike Hebel
>> I/T Administrator
>> Methode Electronics - Network Bus Products
>>
>>
>>
>>
>





From mhebel at methode.com  Fri Aug  4 12:51:20 2000
From: mhebel at methode.com (Mike Hebel)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:51:20 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
Message-ID: <mailman.11417.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Well that's a bummer.

>>Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149875C0KM)
>>
>>
>>Dear Mike Hebel,
>>
>>
>>Your assumptions are correct. 
>>
>>If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.
>>
>>
>>Sincerely, 
>>
>>Lexia Sumsion
>>Sun Customer Service Specialist
>>
>>Original message follows: 
>>-------------------------
>So in other words StarOffice is no longer a free product except in 
>download
>form and as soon as the documentation is completed for the other 
>languages
>the CD kits for those will disappear as well.  Do I have the right take

>on
>this?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>Mike Hebel
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: CSR Customer Service [mailto:csr-customer-service at sun.com]
>Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:02 AM
>To: mhebel at methode.com
>Subject: Re: Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149785C0KM)
>
>
>Dear Mike Hebel,
>
>There are currently no plans to offer the English CD alone. We feel 
that
>the comprehensive printed user documentation is very important in
>helping a customer understand StarOffice. The reason that some kits are
>available in a CD only format is that the comprehensive User's Guide
>localization for those languages has not yet been completed. In order 
to
>provide the new release as quickly as possible to users, Sun has
>released an interim CD with the software and a slim Getting Started
>guide in the local language.
>
>Please call 1-800-USA-4SUN for SunSolve information.  We apologize for
>any inconvenience this may have caused you.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Amanda Carter
>Sun Customer Service Specialist
>
>
>>
>>Original message follows:
>>-------------------------
>>
>>
>>> From mhebel at methode.com Thu Aug  3 16:27:20 2000
>>> From: mhebel at methode.com
>>> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:24:25 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: Contact Sun - Product Question
>>> To: sunstore at sxprd16.East.Sun.COM
>>>
>>> Name: Mike Hebel
>>> Title: I/T Administrator
>>> Company: Methode Electronics - Network Bus Products
>>> Phone number: (847) 577-9545
>>> State: IL
>>> Email address: mhebel at methode.com
>>> Request: Product Question
>>>
>>> Comments:
>>> Why can I not get just the StarOffice 5.2 CD in ENGLISH?
>>>
>>> Could you please let me know that?
>>>
>>> Also is this product available to Sunsolve contract customers as a
>>free CD?  If so then how would I go about getting it?
>>>
>>> Please let me know as soon as possible.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Mike Hebel
>>> I/T Administrator
>>> Methode Electronics - Network Bus Products
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>




From MikeHebelmhebel at methode.com  Fri Aug  4 12:51:20 2000
From: MikeHebelmhebel at methode.com (MikeHebelmhebel at methode.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:51:20 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
Message-ID: <mailman.11418.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Well that's a bummer.

>>Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149875C0KM)
>>
>>
>>Dear Mike Hebel,
>>
>>
>>Your assumptions are correct. 
>>
>>If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.
>>
>>
>>Sincerely, 
>>
>>Lexia Sumsion
>>Sun Customer Service Specialist
>>
>>Original message follows: 
>>-------------------------
>So in other words StarOffice is no longer a free product except in 
>download
>form and as soon as the documentation is completed for the other 
>languages
>the CD kits for those will disappear as well.  Do I have the right take

>on
>this?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>
>Mike Hebel
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: CSR Customer Service [mailto:csr-customer-service at sun.com]
>Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 11:02 AM
>To: mhebel at methode.com
>Subject: Re: Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149785C0KM)
>
>
>Dear Mike Hebel,
>
>There are currently no plans to offer the English CD alone. We feel 
that
>the comprehensive printed user documentation is very important in
>helping a customer understand StarOffice. The reason that some kits are
>available in a CD only format is that the comprehensive User's Guide
>localization for those languages has not yet been completed. In order 
to
>provide the new release as quickly as possible to users, Sun has
>released an interim CD with the software and a slim Getting Started
>guide in the local language.
>
>Please call 1-800-USA-4SUN for SunSolve information.  We apologize for
>any inconvenience this may have caused you.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Amanda Carter
>Sun Customer Service Specialist
>
>
>>
>>Original message follows:
>>-------------------------
>>
>>
>>> From mhebel at methode.com Thu Aug  3 16:27:20 2000
>>> From: mhebel at methode.com
>>> Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 14:24:25 -0600 (MDT)
>>> Subject: Contact Sun - Product Question
>>> To: sunstore at sxprd16.East.Sun.COM
>>>
>>> Name: Mike Hebel
>>> Title: I/T Administrator
>>> Company: Methode Electronics - Network Bus Products
>>> Phone number: (847) 577-9545
>>> State: IL
>>> Email address: mhebel at methode.com
>>> Request: Product Question
>>>
>>> Comments:
>>> Why can I not get just the StarOffice 5.2 CD in ENGLISH?
>>>
>>> Could you please let me know that?
>>>
>>> Also is this product available to Sunsolve contract customers as a
>>free CD?  If so then how would I go about getting it?
>>>
>>> Please let me know as soon as possible.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>> Mike Hebel
>>> I/T Administrator
>>> Methode Electronics - Network Bus Products
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>




From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Fri Aug  4 14:36:20 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:36:20 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Ancient sun cdrom info.....
Message-ID: <mailman.11419.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I have one, and they work fine with my Sun 4c machines... It might work with
a 3/80 if you have a later PROM version....ask Peter Koch.

Kurt


BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> By chance, in today's surplus pit dive, I came into a Sun 411 caddy run
> cdrom.  Will this critter work on things as ancient as Sun3's and Sun4's?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
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From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Fri Aug  4 14:36:20 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 12:36:20 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Ancient sun cdrom info.....
Message-ID: <mailman.11420.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I have one, and they work fine with my Sun 4c machines... It might work with
a 3/80 if you have a later PROM version....ask Peter Koch.

Kurt


BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> By chance, in today's surplus pit dive, I came into a Sun 411 caddy run
> cdrom.  Will this critter work on things as ancient as Sun3's and Sun4's?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Fri Aug  4 17:39:22 2000
From: bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:39:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Using a SS1 to key a radio transmitter via RS232?????
Message-ID: <mailman.11421.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

OK, wilde haire time, here.... (propeller-beanie spinning)....

I have an amateur station that I want to key morse code out of using
one of my toy sun boxes.  I would like to toggle the RS232 pins
for TX and ground high/low at a keying rate.

Currently, I use a pc to do that, but hey, no fun..... Suntoyz are more fun.

Anyone got any pointers/info/source bits that might allow one to toggle
a serial port on a Suntoy, say, anything from an old 3/160 up through
an SS1 or IPX or so?

My interface is a generic thing that uses a series diode, and a small
12V reed relay to key the line.  When the line is negative the reed is
open, when the line goes high, the reed closes.

The trick is doing that at a syllabic rate of about 10-20 transitions
or so per second max with accuracy.

Timing is everything, so I need some way to time, independent of the OS,
say from a hardware clock, or something like that.  The OS and program
need to check the time, occasionally (every 10 ms or so, and toggle
the line appropriately.

How might one do this sort of thing on a Sun?

Also, toggling sound along with it would be nice.

Any pointers or suggestions are appreciated.

Surely someone has done this before?

Thanks

Bob





From BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Fri Aug  4 17:39:22 2000
From: BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu)
Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 18:39:22 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Using a SS1 to key a radio transmitter via RS232?????
Message-ID: <mailman.11422.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

OK, wilde haire time, here.... (propeller-beanie spinning)....

I have an amateur station that I want to key morse code out of using
one of my toy sun boxes.  I would like to toggle the RS232 pins
for TX and ground high/low at a keying rate.

Currently, I use a pc to do that, but hey, no fun..... Suntoyz are more fun.

Anyone got any pointers/info/source bits that might allow one to toggle
a serial port on a Suntoy, say, anything from an old 3/160 up through
an SS1 or IPX or so?

My interface is a generic thing that uses a series diode, and a small
12V reed relay to key the line.  When the line is negative the reed is
open, when the line goes high, the reed closes.

The trick is doing that at a syllabic rate of about 10-20 transitions
or so per second max with accuracy.

Timing is everything, so I need some way to time, independent of the OS,
say from a hardware clock, or something like that.  The OS and program
need to check the time, occasionally (every 10 ms or so, and toggle
the line appropriately.

How might one do this sort of thing on a Sun?

Also, toggling sound along with it would be nice.

Any pointers or suggestions are appreciated.

Surely someone has done this before?

Thanks

Bob





From earl at baugh.org  Sat Aug  5 16:29:38 2000
From: earl at baugh.org (Earl Baugh)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Star Office 5.2
Message-ID: <mailman.11423.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

So, I take it we need to "store" some copies of 
Star Office 5.2, English CD's? *wink*  I happen to 
have that CD at the office....

Earl
P.S. StarOffice is GPL'ed for future releases, so
it's still "free"...maybe not in media form from
Sun, but perhaps others (see recent slash dot for 
more info...)

>Message: 1
>From: "Mike Hebel" <mhebel at methode.com>
>To: "Rescue at Sunhelp. Org" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:51:20 -0500
>charset="iso-8859-1"
>Subject: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
>Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
>
>Well that's a bummer.
>
>>>Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149875C0KM)
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mike Hebel,
>>>
>>>
>>>Your assumptions are correct. 
>>>
>>>If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely, 
>>>
>>>Lexia Sumsion
>>>Sun Customer Service Specialist
>>>
>>>Original message follows: 
>>>-------------------------
>>So in other words StarOffice is no longer a free product except in 
>>download
>>form and as soon as the documentation is completed for the other 
>>languages
>>the CD kits for those will disappear as well.  Do I have the right take
>
>>on
>>this?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>>Mike Hebel




From EarlBaughearl at baugh.org  Sat Aug  5 16:29:38 2000
From: EarlBaughearl at baugh.org (EarlBaughearl at baugh.org)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 17:29:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Star Office 5.2
Message-ID: <mailman.11424.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

So, I take it we need to "store" some copies of 
Star Office 5.2, English CD's? *wink*  I happen to 
have that CD at the office....

Earl
P.S. StarOffice is GPL'ed for future releases, so
it's still "free"...maybe not in media form from
Sun, but perhaps others (see recent slash dot for 
more info...)

>Message: 1
>From: "Mike Hebel" <mhebel at methode.com>
>To: "Rescue at Sunhelp. Org" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
>Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:51:20 -0500
>charset="iso-8859-1"
>Subject: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
>Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
>
>Well that's a bummer.
>
>>>Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149875C0KM)
>>>
>>>
>>>Dear Mike Hebel,
>>>
>>>
>>>Your assumptions are correct. 
>>>
>>>If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.
>>>
>>>
>>>Sincerely, 
>>>
>>>Lexia Sumsion
>>>Sun Customer Service Specialist
>>>
>>>Original message follows: 
>>>-------------------------
>>So in other words StarOffice is no longer a free product except in 
>>download
>>form and as soon as the documentation is completed for the other 
>>languages
>>the CD kits for those will disappear as well.  Do I have the right take
>
>>on
>>this?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
>>
>>Mike Hebel




From twmaster at twmaster.com  Sat Aug  5 17:09:29 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:09:29 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Sun 4/600 boards and Memeory Boards - blowout
Message-ID: <mailman.11425.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi gang,

It is once again clean out time, this time I have a good deal for all here.

Your choice, Sun 4/600 system board with 128 MB memory, no CPU (4 in stock)

or

Sun 9U VME memory board for SS670MP or 690MP machines with 256 MB of memory
(5 in stock)

Just $150.00 Each, plus shipping

Please reply off list.

Mike N





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Sat Aug  5 17:09:29 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 18:09:29 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Sun 4/600 boards and Memeory Boards - blowout
Message-ID: <mailman.11426.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi gang,

It is once again clean out time, this time I have a good deal for all here.

Your choice, Sun 4/600 system board with 128 MB memory, no CPU (4 in stock)

or

Sun 9U VME memory board for SS670MP or 690MP machines with 256 MB of memory
(5 in stock)

Just $150.00 Each, plus shipping

Please reply off list.

Mike N





From jeisch at boku.net  Sat Aug  5 18:10:42 2000
From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 18:10:42 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Star Office 5.2
Message-ID: <mailman.11427.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

My little company is authorized by Sun to burn copies of the CD and
distribute them.  So I could help with that type stuff (cost of media
and shipping)  I also have two copies of StarOffice 5.1 with the
manuals, in the box, if anyone is interested.

-Jonathan

Earl Baugh wrote:
> 
> So, I take it we need to "store" some copies of
> Star Office 5.2, English CD's? *wink*  I happen to
> have that CD at the office....
> 
> Earl
> P.S. StarOffice is GPL'ed for future releases, so
> it's still "free"...maybe not in media form from
> Sun, but perhaps others (see recent slash dot for
> more info...)
> 
> >Message: 1
> >From: "Mike Hebel" <mhebel at methode.com>
> >To: "Rescue at Sunhelp. Org" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:51:20 -0500
> >charset="iso-8859-1"
> >Subject: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
> >Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> >
> >Well that's a bummer.
> >
> >>>Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149875C0KM)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Dear Mike Hebel,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Your assumptions are correct.
> >>>
> >>>If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>>Lexia Sumsion
> >>>Sun Customer Service Specialist
> >>>
> >>>Original message follows:
> >>>-------------------------
> >>So in other words StarOffice is no longer a free product except in
> >>download
> >>form and as soon as the documentation is completed for the other
> >>languages
> >>the CD kits for those will disappear as well.  Do I have the right take
> >
> >>on
> >>this?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> >>
> >>Mike Hebel
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net  Sat Aug  5 18:10:42 2000
From: JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net (JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net)
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 2000 18:10:42 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Star Office 5.2
Message-ID: <mailman.11428.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

My little company is authorized by Sun to burn copies of the CD and
distribute them.  So I could help with that type stuff (cost of media
and shipping)  I also have two copies of StarOffice 5.1 with the
manuals, in the box, if anyone is interested.

-Jonathan

Earl Baugh wrote:
> 
> So, I take it we need to "store" some copies of
> Star Office 5.2, English CD's? *wink*  I happen to
> have that CD at the office....
> 
> Earl
> P.S. StarOffice is GPL'ed for future releases, so
> it's still "free"...maybe not in media form from
> Sun, but perhaps others (see recent slash dot for
> more info...)
> 
> >Message: 1
> >From: "Mike Hebel" <mhebel at methode.com>
> >To: "Rescue at Sunhelp. Org" <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> >Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 12:51:20 -0500
> >charset="iso-8859-1"
> >Subject: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
> >Reply-To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> >
> >Well that's a bummer.
> >
> >>>Contact Sun - Product Question (KMM149875C0KM)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Dear Mike Hebel,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Your assumptions are correct.
> >>>
> >>>If we can be of further assistance, please feel free to contact us.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Sincerely,
> >>>
> >>>Lexia Sumsion
> >>>Sun Customer Service Specialist
> >>>
> >>>Original message follows:
> >>>-------------------------
> >>So in other words StarOffice is no longer a free product except in
> >>download
> >>form and as soon as the documentation is completed for the other
> >>languages
> >>the CD kits for those will disappear as well.  Do I have the right take
> >
> >>on
> >>this?  Please correct me if I'm wrong.
> >>
> >>Mike Hebel
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From james at foonly.com  Sat Aug  5 21:54:44 2000
From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:54:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Using a SS1 to key a radio transmitter via RS232?????
Message-ID: <mailman.11429.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Timing is everything, so I need some way to time, independent of the OS,
> say from a hardware clock, or something like that.  The OS and program
> need to check the time, occasionally (every 10 ms or so, and toggle
> the line appropriately.
> 
> How might one do this sort of thing on a Sun?

Flip the RTS bit back and forth:

    int x, fd;

    fd = open("/dev/cua/a", O_RDWR);

    /* to turn "off" */
    x = 0x0000;
    ioctl(fd, TIOCMSET, &x);

    /* to turn "on" */
    x = TIOCM_RTS;
    ioctl(fd, TIOCMSET, &x);

This will work just fine with a reed relay, though you'll get better
response times and less inductive feedback with a transistor (power MOSFET
if you need to switch a big load).

You can also flip DTR, but some kernel drivers enforce a minimum delay
time (on the order of a second) when tweaking DTR.  Not sure about SunOS
4.

> Any pointers or suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> Surely someone has done this before?

Works great on everything from my SS1 on up.  Should also work fine on
sun3.

The 10ms granularity is somewhat more difficult.  The system timer can
handle 100Hz resolution but if you need to be accurate to a smaller
interval (1-2ms) then you may have to raise the priority of your process
and do busy-waiting internally.  On newer boxes you can increase the
system timer resolution (paying a penalty in interrupt overhead) but this
is not an option on sun3 and sun4c.

I do know someone who built commercial high-resolution timer boards for
the 3/60 with sub-1ms interrupt resolution, but he hasn't sold any in a
decade. 

-James





From JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com  Sat Aug  5 21:54:44 2000
From: JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com (JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2000 19:54:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Using a SS1 to key a radio transmitter via RS232?????
Message-ID: <mailman.11430.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, 4 Aug 2000, BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Timing is everything, so I need some way to time, independent of the OS,
> say from a hardware clock, or something like that.  The OS and program
> need to check the time, occasionally (every 10 ms or so, and toggle
> the line appropriately.
> 
> How might one do this sort of thing on a Sun?

Flip the RTS bit back and forth:

    int x, fd;

    fd = open("/dev/cua/a", O_RDWR);

    /* to turn "off" */
    x = 0x0000;
    ioctl(fd, TIOCMSET, &x);

    /* to turn "on" */
    x = TIOCM_RTS;
    ioctl(fd, TIOCMSET, &x);

This will work just fine with a reed relay, though you'll get better
response times and less inductive feedback with a transistor (power MOSFET
if you need to switch a big load).

You can also flip DTR, but some kernel drivers enforce a minimum delay
time (on the order of a second) when tweaking DTR.  Not sure about SunOS
4.

> Any pointers or suggestions are appreciated.
> 
> Surely someone has done this before?

Works great on everything from my SS1 on up.  Should also work fine on
sun3.

The 10ms granularity is somewhat more difficult.  The system timer can
handle 100Hz resolution but if you need to be accurate to a smaller
interval (1-2ms) then you may have to raise the priority of your process
and do busy-waiting internally.  On newer boxes you can increase the
system timer resolution (paying a penalty in interrupt overhead) but this
is not an option on sun3 and sun4c.

I do know someone who built commercial high-resolution timer boards for
the 3/60 with sub-1ms interrupt resolution, but he hasn't sold any in a
decade. 

-James





From madram at video.de  Sun Aug  6 13:33:12 2000
From: madram at video.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?chris_G=FCnther?=)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:33:12 +0200
Subject: AW: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
Message-ID: <mailman.11431.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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> Well that's a bummer.

Indeed ;-((

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From =?iso-8859-1?Q?chris_G=FCnther?=madram at video.de  Sun Aug  6 13:33:12 2000
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?chris_G=FCnther?=madram at video.de (=?iso-8859-1?Q?chris_G=FCnther?=madram at video.de)
Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 20:33:12 +0200
Subject: AW: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
Message-ID: <mailman.11432.1174460355.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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> Well that's a bummer.

Indeed ;-((

+---------------------------------+
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| ------------------------------- |
|  database design & programming  |
|   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
|                                 |
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From brt at osk.sema.se  Mon Aug  7 03:42:49 2000
From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:42:49 +0200
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11433.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote:
> 
> > won't be bothering with X on any of my SPARCs.  IRIX is just too good.
> >       Grego
> 
> *shudder*
> 
> I suppose that may be true for a home network, but I have a friend who
> went from an all-Sun shop to Sun and SGI, and is now back to being all-Sun
> BECAUSE of IRIX and the (lack of) support SGI gives out.
> 
> Fun stuff like:
> 
> Admin: We've got this bug.
> SGI: That's fixed in 6.4
> Admin: But my machines won't run 6.4
> SGI: Correct.
> Admin: So can I get a fix for my machines?
> SGI: That bug is fixed in 6.4
> 
> Ugh.

Uuh... just for curiosity, what machine doesn't run 6.4, beside the
Chrimson and the old R3000-based Indigos and Personal IRISes?
Those were dog-slow anyway, so consider that as an almost as "foul act"
of dropping old hardware support as Sun does with Sun4 vs SunOS 2.6 and
Sun4c vs SunOS 2.8.
IRIX 6.4 should be no problem, even on fairly old hardware.


	/Regards, Bjorn




From BjrnRamqvistbrt at osk.sema.se  Mon Aug  7 03:42:49 2000
From: BjrnRamqvistbrt at osk.sema.se (BjrnRamqvistbrt at osk.sema.se)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 10:42:49 +0200
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11434.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote:
> 
> > won't be bothering with X on any of my SPARCs.  IRIX is just too good.
> >       Grego
> 
> *shudder*
> 
> I suppose that may be true for a home network, but I have a friend who
> went from an all-Sun shop to Sun and SGI, and is now back to being all-Sun
> BECAUSE of IRIX and the (lack of) support SGI gives out.
> 
> Fun stuff like:
> 
> Admin: We've got this bug.
> SGI: That's fixed in 6.4
> Admin: But my machines won't run 6.4
> SGI: Correct.
> Admin: So can I get a fix for my machines?
> SGI: That bug is fixed in 6.4
> 
> Ugh.

Uuh... just for curiosity, what machine doesn't run 6.4, beside the
Chrimson and the old R3000-based Indigos and Personal IRISes?
Those were dog-slow anyway, so consider that as an almost as "foul act"
of dropping old hardware support as Sun does with Sun4 vs SunOS 2.6 and
Sun4c vs SunOS 2.8.
IRIX 6.4 should be no problem, even on fairly old hardware.


	/Regards, Bjorn




From kurt at csh.rit.edu  Mon Aug  7 07:29:40 2000
From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11435.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:

> Uuh... just for curiosity, what machine doesn't run 6.4, beside the
> Chrimson and the old R3000-based Indigos and Personal IRISes?
> Those were dog-slow anyway, so consider that as an almost as "foul act"
> of dropping old hardware support as Sun does with Sun4 vs SunOS 2.6 and
> Sun4c vs SunOS 2.8.
> IRIX 6.4 should be no problem, even on fairly old hardware.
> 
> 
> 	/Regards, Bjorn

Ok, I pulled the 6.4 number out of the air.  I didn't remember which
OS version was the problem and didn't figure on bothering my friend
for it.  The conversation I "quoted" was almost identical though.

--Kurt





From KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu  Mon Aug  7 07:29:40 2000
From: KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu (KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 08:29:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11436.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:

> Uuh... just for curiosity, what machine doesn't run 6.4, beside the
> Chrimson and the old R3000-based Indigos and Personal IRISes?
> Those were dog-slow anyway, so consider that as an almost as "foul act"
> of dropping old hardware support as Sun does with Sun4 vs SunOS 2.6 and
> Sun4c vs SunOS 2.8.
> IRIX 6.4 should be no problem, even on fairly old hardware.
> 
> 
> 	/Regards, Bjorn

Ok, I pulled the 6.4 number out of the air.  I didn't remember which
OS version was the problem and didn't figure on bothering my friend
for it.  The conversation I "quoted" was almost identical though.

--Kurt





From martin at dsres.com  Mon Aug  7 07:32:36 2000
From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:32:36 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Sun 4/600 boards and Memeory Boards - blowout
Message-ID: <mailman.11437.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Mike Nicewonger wrote:

> Sun 4/600 system board with 128 MB memory, no CPU
> Sun 9U VME memory board for SS670MP or 690MP machines with 256 MB of memory

> Just $150.00 Each, plus shipping

If you still have them, I'd like one system board and two memory boards.

Thanks,

--m




From MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com  Mon Aug  7 07:32:36 2000
From: MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com (MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 13:32:36 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Sun 4/600 boards and Memeory Boards - blowout
Message-ID: <mailman.11438.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Mike Nicewonger wrote:

> Sun 4/600 system board with 128 MB memory, no CPU
> Sun 9U VME memory board for SS670MP or 690MP machines with 256 MB of memory

> Just $150.00 Each, plus shipping

If you still have them, I'd like one system board and two memory boards.

Thanks,

--m




From twmaster at twmaster.com  Mon Aug  7 08:46:18 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:46:18 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6 framebuffer $60.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11439.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Well I am at it again, gotta clean out the warehouse, gotta build my cash
stash for my new house! So here we go.

The above for only $60.00 plus shipping. I also have the little 3U memory
boards for those machines, sorry can't remember the part number right now.
$30.00 each with 32 MB o'RAM.

Later,

Mike N





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Mon Aug  7 08:46:18 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:46:18 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6 framebuffer $60.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11440.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Well I am at it again, gotta clean out the warehouse, gotta build my cash
stash for my new house! So here we go.

The above for only $60.00 plus shipping. I also have the little 3U memory
boards for those machines, sorry can't remember the part number right now.
$30.00 each with 32 MB o'RAM.

Later,

Mike N





From dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org  Mon Aug  7 08:53:59 2000
From: dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (dfp10)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:53:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6 framebuffer $60.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11441.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

What is the 4/300?  Is there a description of the main Sun machines?
Don

>From: "Mike Nicewonger" <twmaster at twmaster.com>
>To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:46:18 -0400
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>X-Priority: 3
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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>Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6 framebuffer 
$60.00
>X-BeenThere: rescue at sunhelp.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
>List-Id: A mailing list for people interested in rescuing old hardware, 
particuarly Sun equipment, from the dump. <rescue.sunhelp.org>
>
>Well I am at it again, gotta clean out the warehouse, gotta build my cash
>stash for my new house! So here we go.
>
>The above for only $60.00 plus shipping. I also have the little 3U memory
>boards for those machines, sorry can't remember the part number right now.
>$30.00 each with 32 MB o'RAM.
>
>Later,
>
>Mike N
>
>_______________________________________________
>Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
>http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue

###############################################################
Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047





From dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org  Mon Aug  7 08:53:59 2000
From: dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:53:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6 framebuffer $60.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11442.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

What is the 4/300?  Is there a description of the main Sun machines?
Don

>From: "Mike Nicewonger" <twmaster at twmaster.com>
>To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:46:18 -0400
>MIME-Version: 1.0
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>X-Priority: 3
>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400
>Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6 framebuffer 
$60.00
>X-BeenThere: rescue at sunhelp.org
>X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
>List-Id: A mailing list for people interested in rescuing old hardware, 
particuarly Sun equipment, from the dump. <rescue.sunhelp.org>
>
>Well I am at it again, gotta clean out the warehouse, gotta build my cash
>stash for my new house! So here we go.
>
>The above for only $60.00 plus shipping. I also have the little 3U memory
>boards for those machines, sorry can't remember the part number right now.
>$30.00 each with 32 MB o'RAM.
>
>Later,
>
>Mike N
>
>_______________________________________________
>Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
>http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue

###############################################################
Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047





From twmaster at twmaster.com  Mon Aug  7 09:11:02 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:11:02 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6 framebuffer $60.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11443.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Look up the 4/330 in the hardware FAQ on www.sunhelp.org

Cheers,

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "dfp10" <dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6
framebuffer $60.00


> What is the 4/300?  Is there a description of the main Sun machines?
> Don
>
> >From: "Mike Nicewonger" <twmaster at twmaster.com>
> >To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:46:18 -0400
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Priority: 3
> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
> >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400
> >Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6
framebuffer
> $60.00
> >X-BeenThere: rescue at sunhelp.org
> >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
> >List-Id: A mailing list for people interested in rescuing old hardware,
> particuarly Sun equipment, from the dump. <rescue.sunhelp.org>
> >
> >Well I am at it again, gotta clean out the warehouse, gotta build my cash
> >stash for my new house! So here we go.
> >
> >The above for only $60.00 plus shipping. I also have the little 3U memory
> >boards for those machines, sorry can't remember the part number right
now.
> >$30.00 each with 32 MB o'RAM.
> >
> >Later,
> >
> >Mike N
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> >http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>
> ###############################################################
> Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
> NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
> dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Mon Aug  7 09:11:02 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:11:02 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6 framebuffer $60.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11444.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Look up the 4/330 in the hardware FAQ on www.sunhelp.org

Cheers,

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "dfp10" <dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6
framebuffer $60.00


> What is the 4/300?  Is there a description of the main Sun machines?
> Don
>
> >From: "Mike Nicewonger" <twmaster at twmaster.com>
> >To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> >Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 09:46:18 -0400
> >MIME-Version: 1.0
> >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >X-Priority: 3
> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
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> >Subject: [SunRescue] FS: 4/300 system board with 32 MB and P4 CG6
framebuffer
> $60.00
> >X-BeenThere: rescue at sunhelp.org
> >X-Mailman-Version: 2.0beta5
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> particuarly Sun equipment, from the dump. <rescue.sunhelp.org>
> >
> >Well I am at it again, gotta clean out the warehouse, gotta build my cash
> >stash for my new house! So here we go.
> >
> >The above for only $60.00 plus shipping. I also have the little 3U memory
> >boards for those machines, sorry can't remember the part number right
now.
> >$30.00 each with 32 MB o'RAM.
> >
> >Later,
> >
> >Mike N
> >
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>
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From nick at snowman.net  Mon Aug  7 09:50:46 2000
From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:50:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11445.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
nothing but exactly what you needed.
	Nick

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:

> Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote:
> > 
> > > won't be bothering with X on any of my SPARCs.  IRIX is just too good.
> > >       Grego
> > 
> > *shudder*
> > 
> > I suppose that may be true for a home network, but I have a friend who
> > went from an all-Sun shop to Sun and SGI, and is now back to being all-Sun
> > BECAUSE of IRIX and the (lack of) support SGI gives out.
> > 
> > Fun stuff like:
> > 
> > Admin: We've got this bug.
> > SGI: That's fixed in 6.4
> > Admin: But my machines won't run 6.4
> > SGI: Correct.
> > Admin: So can I get a fix for my machines?
> > SGI: That bug is fixed in 6.4
> > 
> > Ugh.
> 
> Uuh... just for curiosity, what machine doesn't run 6.4, beside the
> Chrimson and the old R3000-based Indigos and Personal IRISes?
> Those were dog-slow anyway, so consider that as an almost as "foul act"
> of dropping old hardware support as Sun does with Sun4 vs SunOS 2.6 and
> Sun4c vs SunOS 2.8.
> IRIX 6.4 should be no problem, even on fairly old hardware.
> 
> 
> 	/Regards, Bjorn
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From nick at snowman.netnick  Mon Aug  7 09:50:46 2000
From: nick at snowman.netnick (nick at snowman.netnick)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:50:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11446.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
nothing but exactly what you needed.
	Nick

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:

> Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote:
> > 
> > > won't be bothering with X on any of my SPARCs.  IRIX is just too good.
> > >       Grego
> > 
> > *shudder*
> > 
> > I suppose that may be true for a home network, but I have a friend who
> > went from an all-Sun shop to Sun and SGI, and is now back to being all-Sun
> > BECAUSE of IRIX and the (lack of) support SGI gives out.
> > 
> > Fun stuff like:
> > 
> > Admin: We've got this bug.
> > SGI: That's fixed in 6.4
> > Admin: But my machines won't run 6.4
> > SGI: Correct.
> > Admin: So can I get a fix for my machines?
> > SGI: That bug is fixed in 6.4
> > 
> > Ugh.
> 
> Uuh... just for curiosity, what machine doesn't run 6.4, beside the
> Chrimson and the old R3000-based Indigos and Personal IRISes?
> Those were dog-slow anyway, so consider that as an almost as "foul act"
> of dropping old hardware support as Sun does with Sun4 vs SunOS 2.6 and
> Sun4c vs SunOS 2.8.
> IRIX 6.4 should be no problem, even on fairly old hardware.
> 
> 
> 	/Regards, Bjorn
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From brt at osk.sema.se  Mon Aug  7 10:24:50 2000
From: brt at osk.sema.se (Bjrn Ramqvist)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:24:50 +0200
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11447.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

nick at snowman.net wrote:
> 
> Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> nothing but exactly what you needed.

I believe you refer to IRIX 6.5, 6.4 were never named "6.4.x" until the
introduction of 6.5.
I run IRIX 6.5.8 on my 128MB R4600PC-100 Indy at home, and that's not
too bad IMO. I'd even prefer that over an SS2, actually. Only thing that
keeps the graphics slow is the CPU load for all 24bit->8bit conversion.

In this case, SGI has dropped support for the 32-bit platforms from IRIX
6, ie all the R3000-based machines. That includes the R3k Indigo (not
the R4k based), all the R3k based IRISes and the Chrimson. That's
perfectly understandable, since it would only be painful to keep
supporting these, as technology tends to go forward in a drastic speed.
Imagine a R3000 Indigo "maxed out" with 96MB of RAM... I see the point
in dropping those old toasters, really.

IRIX on an R5k based machine is not that painful. It's quite useful for
home use IMO, whereas at work I'd would go for atleast Indigo 2/R10k or
Octane. Keep in mind that the R5k still lives a quite happy life in an
O2, because of all it's hardware tweaks around the CPU. (Putting an R10k
into an O2 doesn't give it that performance boost you would imagine, in
all aspects)

If anyone wants to run old R3000 beasts, there's always IRIX 5.3, which
IMO is not that bad either. Lightweight and pretty solid.

	/Regards, Bjorn




From BjrnRamqvistbrt at osk.sema.se  Mon Aug  7 10:24:50 2000
From: BjrnRamqvistbrt at osk.sema.se (BjrnRamqvistbrt at osk.sema.se)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 17:24:50 +0200
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11448.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

nick at snowman.net wrote:
> 
> Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> nothing but exactly what you needed.

I believe you refer to IRIX 6.5, 6.4 were never named "6.4.x" until the
introduction of 6.5.
I run IRIX 6.5.8 on my 128MB R4600PC-100 Indy at home, and that's not
too bad IMO. I'd even prefer that over an SS2, actually. Only thing that
keeps the graphics slow is the CPU load for all 24bit->8bit conversion.

In this case, SGI has dropped support for the 32-bit platforms from IRIX
6, ie all the R3000-based machines. That includes the R3k Indigo (not
the R4k based), all the R3k based IRISes and the Chrimson. That's
perfectly understandable, since it would only be painful to keep
supporting these, as technology tends to go forward in a drastic speed.
Imagine a R3000 Indigo "maxed out" with 96MB of RAM... I see the point
in dropping those old toasters, really.

IRIX on an R5k based machine is not that painful. It's quite useful for
home use IMO, whereas at work I'd would go for atleast Indigo 2/R10k or
Octane. Keep in mind that the R5k still lives a quite happy life in an
O2, because of all it's hardware tweaks around the CPU. (Putting an R10k
into an O2 doesn't give it that performance boost you would imagine, in
all aspects)

If anyone wants to run old R3000 beasts, there's always IRIX 5.3, which
IMO is not that bad either. Lightweight and pretty solid.

	/Regards, Bjorn




From mcguire at neurotica.com  Mon Aug  7 10:37:46 2000
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:37:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11449.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

  Huh?  No way, man.  I've put together plenty if Indy systems with
various R4000 and R4400 processors, ranging from 100MHz to 200MHz, all
with Irix 6.5.x...they do just fine.  I skipped 6.4 completely...if
you're seeing that much of a performance problem running 6.4 on your
Indy, I suggest there's the possibility of some sort of performance
bug in 6.4 that's been fixed in 6.5.

         -Dave McGuire

On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> nothing but exactly what you needed.
> 	Nick
> 
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:
> 
> > Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote:
> > > 
> > > > won't be bothering with X on any of my SPARCs.  IRIX is just too good.
> > > >       Grego
> > > 
> > > *shudder*
> > > 
> > > I suppose that may be true for a home network, but I have a friend who
> > > went from an all-Sun shop to Sun and SGI, and is now back to being all-Sun
> > > BECAUSE of IRIX and the (lack of) support SGI gives out.
> > > 
> > > Fun stuff like:
> > > 
> > > Admin: We've got this bug.
> > > SGI: That's fixed in 6.4
> > > Admin: But my machines won't run 6.4
> > > SGI: Correct.
> > > Admin: So can I get a fix for my machines?
> > > SGI: That bug is fixed in 6.4
> > > 
> > > Ugh.
> > 
> > Uuh... just for curiosity, what machine doesn't run 6.4, beside the
> > Chrimson and the old R3000-based Indigos and Personal IRISes?
> > Those were dog-slow anyway, so consider that as an almost as "foul act"
> > of dropping old hardware support as Sun does with Sun4 vs SunOS 2.6 and
> > Sun4c vs SunOS 2.8.
> > IRIX 6.4 should be no problem, even on fairly old hardware.
> > 
> > 
> > 	/Regards, Bjorn
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com  Mon Aug  7 10:37:46 2000
From: DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com (DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:37:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11450.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

  Huh?  No way, man.  I've put together plenty if Indy systems with
various R4000 and R4400 processors, ranging from 100MHz to 200MHz, all
with Irix 6.5.x...they do just fine.  I skipped 6.4 completely...if
you're seeing that much of a performance problem running 6.4 on your
Indy, I suggest there's the possibility of some sort of performance
bug in 6.4 that's been fixed in 6.5.

         -Dave McGuire

On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> nothing but exactly what you needed.
> 	Nick
> 
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:
> 
> > Kurt Mosiejczuk wrote:
> > > 
> > > > won't be bothering with X on any of my SPARCs.  IRIX is just too good.
> > > >       Grego
> > > 
> > > *shudder*
> > > 
> > > I suppose that may be true for a home network, but I have a friend who
> > > went from an all-Sun shop to Sun and SGI, and is now back to being all-Sun
> > > BECAUSE of IRIX and the (lack of) support SGI gives out.
> > > 
> > > Fun stuff like:
> > > 
> > > Admin: We've got this bug.
> > > SGI: That's fixed in 6.4
> > > Admin: But my machines won't run 6.4
> > > SGI: Correct.
> > > Admin: So can I get a fix for my machines?
> > > SGI: That bug is fixed in 6.4
> > > 
> > > Ugh.
> > 
> > Uuh... just for curiosity, what machine doesn't run 6.4, beside the
> > Chrimson and the old R3000-based Indigos and Personal IRISes?
> > Those were dog-slow anyway, so consider that as an almost as "foul act"
> > of dropping old hardware support as Sun does with Sun4 vs SunOS 2.6 and
> > Sun4c vs SunOS 2.8.
> > IRIX 6.4 should be no problem, even on fairly old hardware.
> > 
> > 
> > 	/Regards, Bjorn
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From nick at snowman.net  Mon Aug  7 10:43:48 2000
From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:43:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11451.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
for my workstation.
	Nick

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:

> nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > 
> > Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> > way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> > think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> > since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> > mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> > nothing but exactly what you needed.
> 
> I believe you refer to IRIX 6.5, 6.4 were never named "6.4.x" until the
> introduction of 6.5.
> I run IRIX 6.5.8 on my 128MB R4600PC-100 Indy at home, and that's not
> too bad IMO. I'd even prefer that over an SS2, actually. Only thing that
> keeps the graphics slow is the CPU load for all 24bit->8bit conversion.
> 
> In this case, SGI has dropped support for the 32-bit platforms from IRIX
> 6, ie all the R3000-based machines. That includes the R3k Indigo (not
> the R4k based), all the R3k based IRISes and the Chrimson. That's
> perfectly understandable, since it would only be painful to keep
> supporting these, as technology tends to go forward in a drastic speed.
> Imagine a R3000 Indigo "maxed out" with 96MB of RAM... I see the point
> in dropping those old toasters, really.
> 
> IRIX on an R5k based machine is not that painful. It's quite useful for
> home use IMO, whereas at work I'd would go for atleast Indigo 2/R10k or
> Octane. Keep in mind that the R5k still lives a quite happy life in an
> O2, because of all it's hardware tweaks around the CPU. (Putting an R10k
> into an O2 doesn't give it that performance boost you would imagine, in
> all aspects)
> 
> If anyone wants to run old R3000 beasts, there's always IRIX 5.3, which
> IMO is not that bad either. Lightweight and pretty solid.
> 
> 	/Regards, Bjorn
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From nick at snowman.netnick  Mon Aug  7 10:43:48 2000
From: nick at snowman.netnick (nick at snowman.netnick)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:43:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11452.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
for my workstation.
	Nick

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:

> nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > 
> > Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> > way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> > think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> > since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> > mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> > nothing but exactly what you needed.
> 
> I believe you refer to IRIX 6.5, 6.4 were never named "6.4.x" until the
> introduction of 6.5.
> I run IRIX 6.5.8 on my 128MB R4600PC-100 Indy at home, and that's not
> too bad IMO. I'd even prefer that over an SS2, actually. Only thing that
> keeps the graphics slow is the CPU load for all 24bit->8bit conversion.
> 
> In this case, SGI has dropped support for the 32-bit platforms from IRIX
> 6, ie all the R3000-based machines. That includes the R3k Indigo (not
> the R4k based), all the R3k based IRISes and the Chrimson. That's
> perfectly understandable, since it would only be painful to keep
> supporting these, as technology tends to go forward in a drastic speed.
> Imagine a R3000 Indigo "maxed out" with 96MB of RAM... I see the point
> in dropping those old toasters, really.
> 
> IRIX on an R5k based machine is not that painful. It's quite useful for
> home use IMO, whereas at work I'd would go for atleast Indigo 2/R10k or
> Octane. Keep in mind that the R5k still lives a quite happy life in an
> O2, because of all it's hardware tweaks around the CPU. (Putting an R10k
> into an O2 doesn't give it that performance boost you would imagine, in
> all aspects)
> 
> If anyone wants to run old R3000 beasts, there's always IRIX 5.3, which
> IMO is not that bad either. Lightweight and pretty solid.
> 
> 	/Regards, Bjorn
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From druaga at pmail.net  Mon Aug  7 10:54:27 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:54:27 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
Message-ID: <mailman.11453.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Actually - regarding the StarOffice 5.2 I found out today that the
StarOffice 5.2 will be included in complete Solaris 8 packs for contract
customers.  That is direct from Sun today.

Makes me feel better. ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of chris Gnther
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 1:33 PM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: AW: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question
(KMM149875C0KM)


> Well that's a bummer.

Indeed ;-((

+---------------------------------+
|             chris               |
| ------------------------------- |
|  database design & programming  |
|   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
|                                 |
|                 madram at video.de |
+---------------------------------+





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Mon Aug  7 10:54:27 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 10:54:27 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question        (KMM149875C0KM)
Message-ID: <mailman.11454.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Actually - regarding the StarOffice 5.2 I found out today that the
StarOffice 5.2 will be included in complete Solaris 8 packs for contract
customers.  That is direct from Sun today.

Makes me feel better. ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of chris Gnther
Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 1:33 PM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: AW: [SunRescue] FW: Contact Sun - Product Question
(KMM149875C0KM)


> Well that's a bummer.

Indeed ;-((

+---------------------------------+
|             chris               |
| ------------------------------- |
|  database design & programming  |
|   agentur fiedler / video.de    |
|                                 |
|                 madram at video.de |
+---------------------------------+





From mcguire at neurotica.com  Mon Aug  7 10:55:48 2000
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:55:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11455.1174460356.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

  Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
than that.  There's *something wrong* here.

       -Dave McGuire

On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
> to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
> anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
> got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
> see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
> died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
> ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
> for my workstation.
> 	Nick
> 
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:
> 
> > nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> > > way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> > > think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> > > since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> > > mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> > > nothing but exactly what you needed.
> > 
> > I believe you refer to IRIX 6.5, 6.4 were never named "6.4.x" until the
> > introduction of 6.5.
> > I run IRIX 6.5.8 on my 128MB R4600PC-100 Indy at home, and that's not
> > too bad IMO. I'd even prefer that over an SS2, actually. Only thing that
> > keeps the graphics slow is the CPU load for all 24bit->8bit conversion.
> > 
> > In this case, SGI has dropped support for the 32-bit platforms from IRIX
> > 6, ie all the R3000-based machines. That includes the R3k Indigo (not
> > the R4k based), all the R3k based IRISes and the Chrimson. That's
> > perfectly understandable, since it would only be painful to keep
> > supporting these, as technology tends to go forward in a drastic speed.
> > Imagine a R3000 Indigo "maxed out" with 96MB of RAM... I see the point
> > in dropping those old toasters, really.
> > 
> > IRIX on an R5k based machine is not that painful. It's quite useful for
> > home use IMO, whereas at work I'd would go for atleast Indigo 2/R10k or
> > Octane. Keep in mind that the R5k still lives a quite happy life in an
> > O2, because of all it's hardware tweaks around the CPU. (Putting an R10k
> > into an O2 doesn't give it that performance boost you would imagine, in
> > all aspects)
> > 
> > If anyone wants to run old R3000 beasts, there's always IRIX 5.3, which
> > IMO is not that bad either. Lightweight and pretty solid.
> > 
> > 	/Regards, Bjorn
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com  Mon Aug  7 10:55:48 2000
From: DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com (DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:55:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11456.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

  Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
than that.  There's *something wrong* here.

       -Dave McGuire

On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
> to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
> anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
> got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
> see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
> died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
> ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
> for my workstation.
> 	Nick
> 
> On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:
> 
> > nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> > > way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> > > think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> > > since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> > > mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> > > nothing but exactly what you needed.
> > 
> > I believe you refer to IRIX 6.5, 6.4 were never named "6.4.x" until the
> > introduction of 6.5.
> > I run IRIX 6.5.8 on my 128MB R4600PC-100 Indy at home, and that's not
> > too bad IMO. I'd even prefer that over an SS2, actually. Only thing that
> > keeps the graphics slow is the CPU load for all 24bit->8bit conversion.
> > 
> > In this case, SGI has dropped support for the 32-bit platforms from IRIX
> > 6, ie all the R3000-based machines. That includes the R3k Indigo (not
> > the R4k based), all the R3k based IRISes and the Chrimson. That's
> > perfectly understandable, since it would only be painful to keep
> > supporting these, as technology tends to go forward in a drastic speed.
> > Imagine a R3000 Indigo "maxed out" with 96MB of RAM... I see the point
> > in dropping those old toasters, really.
> > 
> > IRIX on an R5k based machine is not that painful. It's quite useful for
> > home use IMO, whereas at work I'd would go for atleast Indigo 2/R10k or
> > Octane. Keep in mind that the R5k still lives a quite happy life in an
> > O2, because of all it's hardware tweaks around the CPU. (Putting an R10k
> > into an O2 doesn't give it that performance boost you would imagine, in
> > all aspects)
> > 
> > If anyone wants to run old R3000 beasts, there's always IRIX 5.3, which
> > IMO is not that bad either. Lightweight and pretty solid.
> > 
> > 	/Regards, Bjorn
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From a222 at redrose.net  Mon Aug  7 11:08:59 2000
From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:08:59 -0400
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11457.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

on 8/7/00 11:55 AM, Dave McGuire at mcguire at neurotica.com wrote:

> 
> Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
> than that.  There's *something wrong* here.
> 
> -Dave McGuire
> 
> On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
>> We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
>> to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
>> anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
>> got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
>> see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
>> died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
>> ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
>> for my workstation.
>> Nick
>> 
 
I agree.

Sounds more like a timeout problem - maybe it was trying to look up its
hostname or something over the Net, and it was waiting for 30 or 60 seconds
each time, or waiting for a daemon process to respond (that wasn't up and
running).

I used to own a 33Mhz R3k Indigo (XZ graphics) and it was "ok" but by
current standards would be considered too slow for GUI work.  But what a
beautiful display (on a 20" monitor) with 24 bit color and hw GL!

Cordially

Patrick Giagnocavo
a222 at redrose.net





From PatrickGiagnocavoa222 at redrose.net  Mon Aug  7 11:08:59 2000
From: PatrickGiagnocavoa222 at redrose.net (PatrickGiagnocavoa222 at redrose.net)
Date: Mon, 07 Aug 2000 12:08:59 -0400
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11458.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

on 8/7/00 11:55 AM, Dave McGuire at mcguire at neurotica.com wrote:

> 
> Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
> than that.  There's *something wrong* here.
> 
> -Dave McGuire
> 
> On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
>> We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
>> to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
>> anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
>> got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
>> see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
>> died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
>> ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
>> for my workstation.
>> Nick
>> 
 
I agree.

Sounds more like a timeout problem - maybe it was trying to look up its
hostname or something over the Net, and it was waiting for 30 or 60 seconds
each time, or waiting for a daemon process to respond (that wasn't up and
running).

I used to own a 33Mhz R3k Indigo (XZ graphics) and it was "ok" but by
current standards would be considered too slow for GUI work.  But what a
beautiful display (on a 20" monitor) with 24 bit color and hw GL!

Cordially

Patrick Giagnocavo
a222 at redrose.net





From nick at snowman.net  Mon Aug  7 11:09:07 2000
From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:09:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11459.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

That's entirely possible.  If anyone can tell me the correct way to
install irix (and I think the person who said I probably had 6.5.7 or
6.5.8 was probably right) I'd be glad to reinstall.  However this is how
it's currently "working".  It does have 8-bit gfx if that makes a
difference.
	Nick

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Dave McGuire wrote:

> 
>   Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
> than that.  There's *something wrong* here.
> 
>        -Dave McGuire
> 
> On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
> > to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
> > anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
> > got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
> > see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
> > died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
> > ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
> > for my workstation.
> > 	Nick
> > 
> > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:
> > 
> > > nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> > > > way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> > > > think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> > > > since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> > > > mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> > > > nothing but exactly what you needed.
> > > 
> > > I believe you refer to IRIX 6.5, 6.4 were never named "6.4.x" until the
> > > introduction of 6.5.
> > > I run IRIX 6.5.8 on my 128MB R4600PC-100 Indy at home, and that's not
> > > too bad IMO. I'd even prefer that over an SS2, actually. Only thing that
> > > keeps the graphics slow is the CPU load for all 24bit->8bit conversion.
> > > 
> > > In this case, SGI has dropped support for the 32-bit platforms from IRIX
> > > 6, ie all the R3000-based machines. That includes the R3k Indigo (not
> > > the R4k based), all the R3k based IRISes and the Chrimson. That's
> > > perfectly understandable, since it would only be painful to keep
> > > supporting these, as technology tends to go forward in a drastic speed.
> > > Imagine a R3000 Indigo "maxed out" with 96MB of RAM... I see the point
> > > in dropping those old toasters, really.
> > > 
> > > IRIX on an R5k based machine is not that painful. It's quite useful for
> > > home use IMO, whereas at work I'd would go for atleast Indigo 2/R10k or
> > > Octane. Keep in mind that the R5k still lives a quite happy life in an
> > > O2, because of all it's hardware tweaks around the CPU. (Putting an R10k
> > > into an O2 doesn't give it that performance boost you would imagine, in
> > > all aspects)
> > > 
> > > If anyone wants to run old R3000 beasts, there's always IRIX 5.3, which
> > > IMO is not that bad either. Lightweight and pretty solid.
> > > 
> > > 	/Regards, Bjorn
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From nick at snowman.netnick  Mon Aug  7 11:09:07 2000
From: nick at snowman.netnick (nick at snowman.netnick)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:09:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11460.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

That's entirely possible.  If anyone can tell me the correct way to
install irix (and I think the person who said I probably had 6.5.7 or
6.5.8 was probably right) I'd be glad to reinstall.  However this is how
it's currently "working".  It does have 8-bit gfx if that makes a
difference.
	Nick

On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Dave McGuire wrote:

> 
>   Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
> than that.  There's *something wrong* here.
> 
>        -Dave McGuire
> 
> On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
> > to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
> > anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
> > got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
> > see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
> > died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
> > ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
> > for my workstation.
> > 	Nick
> > 
> > On Mon, 7 Aug 2000, Bjrn Ramqvist wrote:
> > 
> > > nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Hehe, anything much older than an O2 won't run 6.4 in any worthwhile
> > > > way.  I know, I've got a "speed daemon" r5k 180mhz indy running 6.4.7 (I
> > > > think, might be 6.4.8), and it HURTS.  I've never seen a gui that slow
> > > > since I ditched the 386 that was running xfree86.  It might work ok sorta
> > > > mabey if you nuked all the GUI, and had a nice GIO scsi system, running
> > > > nothing but exactly what you needed.
> > > 
> > > I believe you refer to IRIX 6.5, 6.4 were never named "6.4.x" until the
> > > introduction of 6.5.
> > > I run IRIX 6.5.8 on my 128MB R4600PC-100 Indy at home, and that's not
> > > too bad IMO. I'd even prefer that over an SS2, actually. Only thing that
> > > keeps the graphics slow is the CPU load for all 24bit->8bit conversion.
> > > 
> > > In this case, SGI has dropped support for the 32-bit platforms from IRIX
> > > 6, ie all the R3000-based machines. That includes the R3k Indigo (not
> > > the R4k based), all the R3k based IRISes and the Chrimson. That's
> > > perfectly understandable, since it would only be painful to keep
> > > supporting these, as technology tends to go forward in a drastic speed.
> > > Imagine a R3000 Indigo "maxed out" with 96MB of RAM... I see the point
> > > in dropping those old toasters, really.
> > > 
> > > IRIX on an R5k based machine is not that painful. It's quite useful for
> > > home use IMO, whereas at work I'd would go for atleast Indigo 2/R10k or
> > > Octane. Keep in mind that the R5k still lives a quite happy life in an
> > > O2, because of all it's hardware tweaks around the CPU. (Putting an R10k
> > > into an O2 doesn't give it that performance boost you would imagine, in
> > > all aspects)
> > > 
> > > If anyone wants to run old R3000 beasts, there's always IRIX 5.3, which
> > > IMO is not that bad either. Lightweight and pretty solid.
> > > 
> > > 	/Regards, Bjorn
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From druaga at pmail.net  Mon Aug  7 11:29:31 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:29:31 -0500
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11461.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Just for comparison how would a 128meg, 200mhz,R4K Indy and Indigo 2 with 24
bit graphics do running Irix 6.5.x?  I currently have one each of these
running Irix 5.3 and I'm wondering if I should upgrade these to the latest
and greatest.

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Patrick Giagnocavo
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:09 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)


on 8/7/00 11:55 AM, Dave McGuire at mcguire at neurotica.com wrote:

>
> Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
> than that.  There's *something wrong* here.
>
> -Dave McGuire
>
> On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
>> We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
>> to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
>> anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
>> got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
>> see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
>> died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
>> ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
>> for my workstation.
>> Nick
>>

I agree.

Sounds more like a timeout problem - maybe it was trying to look up its
hostname or something over the Net, and it was waiting for 30 or 60 seconds
each time, or waiting for a daemon process to respond (that wasn't up and
running).

I used to own a 33Mhz R3k Indigo (XZ graphics) and it was "ok" but by
current standards would be considered too slow for GUI work.  But what a
beautiful display (on a 20" monitor) with 24 bit color and hw GL!

Cordially

Patrick Giagnocavo
a222 at redrose.net

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Mon Aug  7 11:29:31 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 11:29:31 -0500
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11462.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Just for comparison how would a 128meg, 200mhz,R4K Indy and Indigo 2 with 24
bit graphics do running Irix 6.5.x?  I currently have one each of these
running Irix 5.3 and I'm wondering if I should upgrade these to the latest
and greatest.

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Patrick Giagnocavo
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:09 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)


on 8/7/00 11:55 AM, Dave McGuire at mcguire at neurotica.com wrote:

>
> Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
> than that.  There's *something wrong* here.
>
> -Dave McGuire
>
> On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
>> We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
>> to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
>> anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
>> got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
>> see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
>> died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
>> ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
>> for my workstation.
>> Nick
>>

I agree.

Sounds more like a timeout problem - maybe it was trying to look up its
hostname or something over the Net, and it was waiting for 30 or 60 seconds
each time, or waiting for a daemon process to respond (that wasn't up and
running).

I used to own a 33Mhz R3k Indigo (XZ graphics) and it was "ok" but by
current standards would be considered too slow for GUI work.  But what a
beautiful display (on a 20" monitor) with 24 bit color and hw GL!

Cordially

Patrick Giagnocavo
a222 at redrose.net

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From mcguire at neurotica.com  Mon Aug  7 11:40:08 2000
From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:40:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11463.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

  I don't know how 6.5.x would compare to 5.3 on those machines, but
I'm running 6.5.x on several similar machines with good performance.
Of course the R10000 Indigo2 is by far the best of them. :)

     -Dave McGuire

On August 7, Mike Hebel wrote:
> Just for comparison how would a 128meg, 200mhz,R4K Indy and Indigo 2 with 24
> bit graphics do running Irix 6.5.x?  I currently have one each of these
> running Irix 5.3 and I'm wondering if I should upgrade these to the latest
> and greatest.
> 
> Mike Hebel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
> Behalf Of Patrick Giagnocavo
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:09 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
> 
> 
> on 8/7/00 11:55 AM, Dave McGuire at mcguire at neurotica.com wrote:
> 
> >
> > Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
> > than that.  There's *something wrong* here.
> >
> > -Dave McGuire
> >
> > On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> >> We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
> >> to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
> >> anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
> >> got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
> >> see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
> >> died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
> >> ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
> >> for my workstation.
> >> Nick
> >>
> 
> I agree.
> 
> Sounds more like a timeout problem - maybe it was trying to look up its
> hostname or something over the Net, and it was waiting for 30 or 60 seconds
> each time, or waiting for a daemon process to respond (that wasn't up and
> running).
> 
> I used to own a 33Mhz R3k Indigo (XZ graphics) and it was "ok" but by
> current standards would be considered too slow for GUI work.  But what a
> beautiful display (on a 20" monitor) with 24 bit color and hw GL!
> 
> Cordially
> 
> Patrick Giagnocavo
> a222 at redrose.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com  Mon Aug  7 11:40:08 2000
From: DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com (DaveMcGuiremcguire at neurotica.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 12:40:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
Message-ID: <mailman.11464.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

  I don't know how 6.5.x would compare to 5.3 on those machines, but
I'm running 6.5.x on several similar machines with good performance.
Of course the R10000 Indigo2 is by far the best of them. :)

     -Dave McGuire

On August 7, Mike Hebel wrote:
> Just for comparison how would a 128meg, 200mhz,R4K Indy and Indigo 2 with 24
> bit graphics do running Irix 6.5.x?  I currently have one each of these
> running Irix 5.3 and I'm wondering if I should upgrade these to the latest
> and greatest.
> 
> Mike Hebel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
> Behalf Of Patrick Giagnocavo
> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 11:09 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: IRIX 6.4? (was: Re: [SunRescue] SS10 SX board...curious)
> 
> 
> on 8/7/00 11:55 AM, Dave McGuire at mcguire at neurotica.com wrote:
> 
> >
> > Man, I've got a 16MHz R3000-based Personal Iris that does better
> > than that.  There's *something wrong* here.
> >
> > -Dave McGuire
> >
> > On August 7, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> >> We've obviously got different ideas of what "not too bad" means.  I tried
> >> to start one of the GUI admin tools, and it made the sound, but didn't do
> >> anything.  About half an hour later I looked, still nothing.  Then when I
> >> got back in from lunch (~1.5 hrs after I double clicked) I was amazed to
> >> see it up and running.  I had assumed it had cored or otherwise
> >> died.  That is one extreme, I was also amazed at how well it did GL stuff
> >> ( I really shouldn't have been), but I still wouldn't want to ever use it
> >> for my workstation.
> >> Nick
> >>
> 
> I agree.
> 
> Sounds more like a timeout problem - maybe it was trying to look up its
> hostname or something over the Net, and it was waiting for 30 or 60 seconds
> each time, or waiting for a daemon process to respond (that wasn't up and
> running).
> 
> I used to own a 33Mhz R3k Indigo (XZ graphics) and it was "ok" but by
> current standards would be considered too slow for GUI work.  But what a
> beautiful display (on a 20" monitor) with 24 bit color and hw GL!
> 
> Cordially
> 
> Patrick Giagnocavo
> a222 at redrose.net
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Tue Aug  8 22:35:41 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:41 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11465.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hello all,

Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
Sparcs into the picture!

Thanks for any help

Kurt





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Tue Aug  8 22:35:41 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:41 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11466.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hello all,

Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
Sparcs into the picture!

Thanks for any help

Kurt





From jeisch at boku.net  Tue Aug  8 22:44:38 2000
From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:44:38 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11467.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL. 
If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
pretty well.

Kurt Nowak wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> Sparcs into the picture!
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> Kurt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net  Tue Aug  8 22:44:38 2000
From: JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net (JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 22:44:38 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11468.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL. 
If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
pretty well.

Kurt Nowak wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> Sparcs into the picture!
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> Kurt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From nick at snowman.net  Tue Aug  8 22:57:01 2000
From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:57:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11469.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I got some nice offers from SpeakEasy.net, and they offer static ip's for
decent prices.  Their policy on servers is also much better than many
others than I've seen (they explicitly do not disallow them).  I seriously
considered them, but decided I was willing to pay uunet for routed
SDSL.  (YMMV, I never actually got their service)
	Nick

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Kurt Nowak wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> Sparcs into the picture!
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> Kurt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From nick at snowman.netnick  Tue Aug  8 22:57:01 2000
From: nick at snowman.netnick (nick at snowman.netnick)
Date: Tue, 8 Aug 2000 23:57:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11470.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I got some nice offers from SpeakEasy.net, and they offer static ip's for
decent prices.  Their policy on servers is also much better than many
others than I've seen (they explicitly do not disallow them).  I seriously
considered them, but decided I was willing to pay uunet for routed
SDSL.  (YMMV, I never actually got their service)
	Nick

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Kurt Nowak wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> Sparcs into the picture!
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> Kurt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Tue Aug  8 22:58:42 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:58:42 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11471.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Cool... So did you have any problems with the binding of your Classic's MAC
address to your cable modem? Did you have to call your ISP to have them set
that on their end?

Kurt

Jonathan Eisch wrote:

> If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL.
> If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> pretty well.
>
> Kurt Nowak wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> > still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> > like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> > advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> > implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> > internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> > the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> > there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> > right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> > few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> > buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> > Sparcs into the picture!
> >
> > Thanks for any help
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Tue Aug  8 22:58:42 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:58:42 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11472.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Cool... So did you have any problems with the binding of your Classic's MAC
address to your cable modem? Did you have to call your ISP to have them set
that on their end?

Kurt

Jonathan Eisch wrote:

> If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL.
> If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> pretty well.
>
> Kurt Nowak wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> > still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> > like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> > advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> > implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> > internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> > the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> > there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> > right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> > few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> > buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> > Sparcs into the picture!
> >
> > Thanks for any help
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Tue Aug  8 23:00:29 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:00:29 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11473.1174460357.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

oops..i meant DSL modem....

Kurt Nowak wrote:

> Cool... So did you have any problems with the binding of your Classic's MAC
> address to your cable modem? Did you have to call your ISP to have them set
> that on their end?
>
> Kurt
>
> Jonathan Eisch wrote:
>
> > If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL.
> > If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> > whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> > on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> > pretty well.
> >
> > Kurt Nowak wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> > > still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> > > like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> > > advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> > > implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> > > internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> > > the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> > > there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> > > right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> > > few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> > > buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> > > Sparcs into the picture!
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help
> > >
> > > Kurt
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Tue Aug  8 23:00:29 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 21:00:29 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11474.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

oops..i meant DSL modem....

Kurt Nowak wrote:

> Cool... So did you have any problems with the binding of your Classic's MAC
> address to your cable modem? Did you have to call your ISP to have them set
> that on their end?
>
> Kurt
>
> Jonathan Eisch wrote:
>
> > If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL.
> > If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> > whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> > on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> > pretty well.
> >
> > Kurt Nowak wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> > > still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> > > like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> > > advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> > > implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> > > internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> > > the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> > > there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> > > right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> > > few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> > > buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> > > Sparcs into the picture!
> > >
> > > Thanks for any help
> > >
> > > Kurt
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From jeisch at boku.net  Tue Aug  8 23:04:18 2000
From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:04:18 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11475.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

nope.  plugged it in and it went.  I got a static IP later on and that
also was not a problem.

-Jonathan

Kurt Nowak wrote:
> 
> Cool... So did you have any problems with the binding of your Classic's MAC
> address to your cable modem? Did you have to call your ISP to have them set
> that on their end?
> 
> Kurt




From JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net  Tue Aug  8 23:04:18 2000
From: JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net (JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net)
Date: Tue, 08 Aug 2000 23:04:18 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11476.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

nope.  plugged it in and it went.  I got a static IP later on and that
also was not a problem.

-Jonathan

Kurt Nowak wrote:
> 
> Cool... So did you have any problems with the binding of your Classic's MAC
> address to your cable modem? Did you have to call your ISP to have them set
> that on their end?
> 
> Kurt




From ward at zilla.nu  Wed Aug  9 01:13:53 2000
From: ward at zilla.nu (Reagen Ward)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:13:53 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11477.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I've got 416/416 SDSL from Northpoint running to a Solaris 2.6 box, used to be
DHCP with no issues, now static (of course no issues).  Never heard of binding
it to the MAC of the NIC, that's just plain evil.  Had it working via SWBell
aDSL, as well as Northpoint iDSL, all with no problems whatsoever.

Watch out for using an HP with DSL, as many DSL providers use classless subnets
(nothing wrong with that) and HPs tend to have problems with some classless
subnet schemes, and there is no patch as of yet.

Reagen

On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 08:35:41PM -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> Sparcs into the picture!
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> Kurt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From ReagenWardward at zilla.nu  Wed Aug  9 01:13:53 2000
From: ReagenWardward at zilla.nu (ReagenWardward at zilla.nu)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 01:13:53 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11478.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I've got 416/416 SDSL from Northpoint running to a Solaris 2.6 box, used to be
DHCP with no issues, now static (of course no issues).  Never heard of binding
it to the MAC of the NIC, that's just plain evil.  Had it working via SWBell
aDSL, as well as Northpoint iDSL, all with no problems whatsoever.

Watch out for using an HP with DSL, as many DSL providers use classless subnets
(nothing wrong with that) and HPs tend to have problems with some classless
subnet schemes, and there is no patch as of yet.

Reagen

On Tue, Aug 08, 2000 at 08:35:41PM -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> Sparcs into the picture!
> 
> Thanks for any help
> 
> Kurt
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From james at foonly.com  Wed Aug  9 02:37:44 2000
From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:37:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11479.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Kurt Nowak wrote:

> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any

I see that you have a Cal Poly SLO email address.  I've found Pacbell's
DSL offering to be tolerable, $40/mo including line and ISP charges for a
static IP and free h/w with signup is certainly at the cheap end of the
spectrum.  Downside is that they only offer 128kbps uplink for the cheap
plans.

I have had issues with telco wiring from the pole to my house, but I
suspect that these would have come up with any DSL provider as my
connections were marginal.

-James





From JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com  Wed Aug  9 02:37:44 2000
From: JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com (JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 00:37:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11480.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Tue, 8 Aug 2000, Kurt Nowak wrote:

> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any

I see that you have a Cal Poly SLO email address.  I've found Pacbell's
DSL offering to be tolerable, $40/mo including line and ISP charges for a
static IP and free h/w with signup is certainly at the cheap end of the
spectrum.  Downside is that they only offer 128kbps uplink for the cheap
plans.

I have had issues with telco wiring from the pole to my house, but I
suspect that these would have come up with any DSL provider as my
connections were marginal.

-James





From tom at nipltd.com  Wed Aug  9 04:03:37 2000
From: tom at nipltd.com (Tom)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:03:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Slightly OT: NAT with Solaris
Message-ID: <mailman.11481.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I've got a SparcStation LX that I want to replace a failing old PC with. 
Trouble is, the PC runs linux and does NAT between my home LAN and my dialup 
link.

Anyone know of a way to do NAT with Solaris? The LX runs Solaris 7 (and no, 
I'm not going to run *BSD or Linux on it - there are some extra toys in the LX 
I need, and support outside Solaris is pretty poor for them).

Cheers,
TOM

--
Tom Kranz - tom at nipltd.com
Systems Administrator, New Information Paradigms Ltd.
My opinions are my own, not NIP's, and not my cat's.





From Tomtom at nipltd.com  Wed Aug  9 04:03:37 2000
From: Tomtom at nipltd.com (Tomtom at nipltd.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:03:37 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Slightly OT: NAT with Solaris
Message-ID: <mailman.11482.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I've got a SparcStation LX that I want to replace a failing old PC with. 
Trouble is, the PC runs linux and does NAT between my home LAN and my dialup 
link.

Anyone know of a way to do NAT with Solaris? The LX runs Solaris 7 (and no, 
I'm not going to run *BSD or Linux on it - there are some extra toys in the LX 
I need, and support outside Solaris is pretty poor for them).

Cheers,
TOM

--
Tom Kranz - tom at nipltd.com
Systems Administrator, New Information Paradigms Ltd.
My opinions are my own, not NIP's, and not my cat's.





From james at foonly.com  Wed Aug  9 04:08:12 2000
From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Slightly OT: NAT with Solaris
Message-ID: <mailman.11483.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Tom wrote:

> I've got a SparcStation LX that I want to replace a failing old PC with. 
> Trouble is, the PC runs linux and does NAT between my home LAN and my dialup 
> link.
> 
> Anyone know of a way to do NAT with Solaris? The LX runs Solaris 7 (and no, 
> I'm not going to run *BSD or Linux on it - there are some extra toys in the LX 
> I need, and support outside Solaris is pretty poor for them).

Check out ipfilter by Darren Reed.  It does fairly sophisticated NAT and
IP filtering, by far the best I've seen outside of some specialized
hardware systems.

-James





From JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com  Wed Aug  9 04:08:12 2000
From: JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com (JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 02:08:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Slightly OT: NAT with Solaris
Message-ID: <mailman.11484.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Tom wrote:

> I've got a SparcStation LX that I want to replace a failing old PC with. 
> Trouble is, the PC runs linux and does NAT between my home LAN and my dialup 
> link.
> 
> Anyone know of a way to do NAT with Solaris? The LX runs Solaris 7 (and no, 
> I'm not going to run *BSD or Linux on it - there are some extra toys in the LX 
> I need, and support outside Solaris is pretty poor for them).

Check out ipfilter by Darren Reed.  It does fairly sophisticated NAT and
IP filtering, by far the best I've seen outside of some specialized
hardware systems.

-James





From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Wed Aug  9 06:06:55 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:06:55 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11485.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

My local DSL provider uses PPoE, an unusual protocol that that "emulates"
dial-up over ethernet.

I have nothing but *praise* for my little linksys cable/DSL router - a four
port 10/100 switch with all the features most home users would want, for
about $160 from buy.com. They now offer a single port version (no switch)
for just over 100 from buy.com.

After my account was established with Bell Atlantic (required a PC to run
their set-up software), I was able to swap in my linksys cable/DSL router in
under 30 minutes, *including* re-flashing the software in the router!

The deciding factor for me was the 10/100 ports - I want to run 100 baseT at
home, and such a card for my SS5 would have cost *more* than the router. Now
my SS5 is hooked up to a 10 baseT string off the router.

Also, services like www.tzo.com and www.dyndns.org offer low-cost/free
dynamic DNS nameservices for folks connected to the internet with dynamic IP
addresses. You can run servers with such a service. My sparcbook is
accessible at n2vip.dyndns.org, and it is behind my linksys router.

HTH,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Nowak" <knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:35 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice


> Hello all,
>
> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> Sparcs into the picture!
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Kurt
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Wed Aug  9 06:06:55 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:06:55 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11486.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

My local DSL provider uses PPoE, an unusual protocol that that "emulates"
dial-up over ethernet.

I have nothing but *praise* for my little linksys cable/DSL router - a four
port 10/100 switch with all the features most home users would want, for
about $160 from buy.com. They now offer a single port version (no switch)
for just over 100 from buy.com.

After my account was established with Bell Atlantic (required a PC to run
their set-up software), I was able to swap in my linksys cable/DSL router in
under 30 minutes, *including* re-flashing the software in the router!

The deciding factor for me was the 10/100 ports - I want to run 100 baseT at
home, and such a card for my SS5 would have cost *more* than the router. Now
my SS5 is hooked up to a 10 baseT string off the router.

Also, services like www.tzo.com and www.dyndns.org offer low-cost/free
dynamic DNS nameservices for folks connected to the internet with dynamic IP
addresses. You can run servers with such a service. My sparcbook is
accessible at n2vip.dyndns.org, and it is behind my linksys router.

HTH,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Nowak" <knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:35 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice


> Hello all,
>
> Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
> buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> Sparcs into the picture!
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Kurt
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From jon at jonworld.com  Wed Aug  9 07:19:47 2000
From: jon at jonworld.com (Jonathan Katz)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Star Office 5.2
Message-ID: <mailman.11487.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hey folks!

I have quite a few Star Office 5.2 CDs. Who wants 'em? If you do, 
contact me off list and send me proper postage and they'll be on 
their merry way to you.

-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com  Wed Aug  9 07:19:47 2000
From: JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com (JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 08:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Star Office 5.2
Message-ID: <mailman.11488.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hey folks!

I have quite a few Star Office 5.2 CDs. Who wants 'em? If you do, 
contact me off list and send me proper postage and they'll be on 
their merry way to you.

-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From jon at jonworld.com  Wed Aug  9 09:10:36 2000
From: jon at jonworld.com (Jonathan Katz)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:10:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] More on my cache of 5.2 CDs
Message-ID: <mailman.11489.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I had to open up one to be sure...

These are the Multi-OS promo CDs that Sun normally gives out at 
trade shows and such. Multi-OS means Linux+Windows+Solaris (x86 & sparc)

These aren't box-sets or anything, just the cardboard holder shrinkwrapped
with the CD. Essentially I could send them regular US mail but in larger
packaging. Think up to $1 to send things within the lower 48.

-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com  Wed Aug  9 09:10:36 2000
From: JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com (JonathanKatzjon at jonworld.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:10:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] More on my cache of 5.2 CDs
Message-ID: <mailman.11490.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I had to open up one to be sure...

These are the Multi-OS promo CDs that Sun normally gives out at 
trade shows and such. Multi-OS means Linux+Windows+Solaris (x86 & sparc)

These aren't box-sets or anything, just the cardboard holder shrinkwrapped
with the CD. Essentially I could send them regular US mail but in larger
packaging. Think up to $1 to send things within the lower 48.

-- 
Jonathan Katz
e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
website: http://jonworld.com
proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347





From bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Wed Aug  9 09:20:57 2000
From: bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:20:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11491.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL. 
> If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> pretty well.

Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
these days?

Bob





From BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Wed Aug  9 09:20:57 2000
From: BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:20:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11492.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL. 
> If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> pretty well.

Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
these days?

Bob





From havoc at apk.net  Wed Aug  9 09:23:51 2000
From: havoc at apk.net (Chris Petersen)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:23:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] More on my cache of 5.2 CDs
Message-ID: <mailman.11493.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

If you've still got one, I could put it to use...
How do you want shipping payment?  Something like paypal?

Chris

-- 
Chris Petersen
Systems Engineer, Industry Services, Unigraphics Solutions Inc.
Co-founder, auctions.workstations.org
Email: havoc at apk.net



> 
> I had to open up one to be sure...
> 
> These are the Multi-OS promo CDs that Sun normally gives out at 
> trade shows and such. Multi-OS means Linux+Windows+Solaris (x86 & sparc)
> 
> These aren't box-sets or anything, just the cardboard holder shrinkwrapped
> with the CD. Essentially I could send them regular US mail but in larger
> packaging. Think up to $1 to send things within the lower 48.
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Katz
> e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
> website: http://jonworld.com
> proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
> Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From ChrisPetersenhavoc at apk.net  Wed Aug  9 09:23:51 2000
From: ChrisPetersenhavoc at apk.net (ChrisPetersenhavoc at apk.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:23:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] More on my cache of 5.2 CDs
Message-ID: <mailman.11494.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

If you've still got one, I could put it to use...
How do you want shipping payment?  Something like paypal?

Chris

-- 
Chris Petersen
Systems Engineer, Industry Services, Unigraphics Solutions Inc.
Co-founder, auctions.workstations.org
Email: havoc at apk.net



> 
> I had to open up one to be sure...
> 
> These are the Multi-OS promo CDs that Sun normally gives out at 
> trade shows and such. Multi-OS means Linux+Windows+Solaris (x86 & sparc)
> 
> These aren't box-sets or anything, just the cardboard holder shrinkwrapped
> with the CD. Essentially I could send them regular US mail but in larger
> packaging. Think up to $1 to send things within the lower 48.
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Katz
> e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
> website: http://jonworld.com
> proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
> Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From havoc at apk.net  Wed Aug  9 09:36:55 2000
From: havoc at apk.net (Chris Petersen)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:36:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] More on my cache of 5.2 CDs
Message-ID: <mailman.11495.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Umm, the requisite "D'OH!" as required here....

Jon, I'll make sure to drop you a line to your email address...

Ugh, it's going to be one of those days...

Chris

-- 
Chris Petersen
Systems Engineer, Industry Services, Unigraphics Solutions Inc.
Co-founder, auctions.workstations.org
Email: havoc at apk.net


> 
> If you've still got one, I could put it to use...
> How do you want shipping payment?  Something like paypal?
> 
> Chris
> 
> -- 
> Chris Petersen
> Systems Engineer, Industry Services, Unigraphics Solutions Inc.
> Co-founder, auctions.workstations.org
> Email: havoc at apk.net
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > I had to open up one to be sure...
> > 
> > These are the Multi-OS promo CDs that Sun normally gives out at 
> > trade shows and such. Multi-OS means Linux+Windows+Solaris (x86 & sparc)
> > 
> > These aren't box-sets or anything, just the cardboard holder shrinkwrapped
> > with the CD. Essentially I could send them regular US mail but in larger
> > packaging. Think up to $1 to send things within the lower 48.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jonathan Katz
> > e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
> > website: http://jonworld.com
> > proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
> > Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From ChrisPetersenhavoc at apk.net  Wed Aug  9 09:36:55 2000
From: ChrisPetersenhavoc at apk.net (ChrisPetersenhavoc at apk.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:36:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] More on my cache of 5.2 CDs
Message-ID: <mailman.11496.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Umm, the requisite "D'OH!" as required here....

Jon, I'll make sure to drop you a line to your email address...

Ugh, it's going to be one of those days...

Chris

-- 
Chris Petersen
Systems Engineer, Industry Services, Unigraphics Solutions Inc.
Co-founder, auctions.workstations.org
Email: havoc at apk.net


> 
> If you've still got one, I could put it to use...
> How do you want shipping payment?  Something like paypal?
> 
> Chris
> 
> -- 
> Chris Petersen
> Systems Engineer, Industry Services, Unigraphics Solutions Inc.
> Co-founder, auctions.workstations.org
> Email: havoc at apk.net
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > I had to open up one to be sure...
> > 
> > These are the Multi-OS promo CDs that Sun normally gives out at 
> > trade shows and such. Multi-OS means Linux+Windows+Solaris (x86 & sparc)
> > 
> > These aren't box-sets or anything, just the cardboard holder shrinkwrapped
> > with the CD. Essentially I could send them regular US mail but in larger
> > packaging. Think up to $1 to send things within the lower 48.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Jonathan Katz
> > e-mail: jon at jonworld.com 
> > website: http://jonworld.com
> > proprietor: http://bachelor-cooking.com
> > Cell: 317-698-4023 * Pager: 800-759-8888 1770869 * FAX: 530-688-5347
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From chris at searat.com  Wed Aug  9 09:43:41 2000
From: chris at searat.com (Chris Terwilliger)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:43:41 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11497.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> these days?

I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I never touch
it.  More than enough speed.

-- 
// Chris Terwilliger
// chris at searat.com




From ChrisTerwilligerchris at searat.com  Wed Aug  9 09:43:41 2000
From: ChrisTerwilligerchris at searat.com (ChrisTerwilligerchris at searat.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:43:41 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11498.1174460358.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> these days?

I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I never touch
it.  More than enough speed.

-- 
// Chris Terwilliger
// chris at searat.com




From scohen at acxiom.com  Wed Aug  9 09:50:41 2000
From: scohen at acxiom.com (scohen - Stephen Cohen)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:50:41 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11499.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I am using an i486 Linux box as my home's masquerade server and as an apache
web server.  The network has three boxes behind the masquerade server -
Win98, Win95, and a SPARCstation IPX running Linux.

The only reason that the IPX isn't being used as the masquerade server is
that the cost of the 2nd NIC is far greater than the entire cost I've sunk
into the lowly i486.  Regretful.  But the i486 performs quite nicely in its
assigned roles.

Regards,
Steve

www.Venture60.com
www.DeltaVortex.com
www.CohenBrothers.org



-----Original Message-----
From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
[mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:21 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice


> If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL. 
> If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> pretty well.

Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
these days?

Bob

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com  Wed Aug  9 09:50:41 2000
From: scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com (scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:50:41 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11500.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I am using an i486 Linux box as my home's masquerade server and as an apache
web server.  The network has three boxes behind the masquerade server -
Win98, Win95, and a SPARCstation IPX running Linux.

The only reason that the IPX isn't being used as the masquerade server is
that the cost of the 2nd NIC is far greater than the entire cost I've sunk
into the lowly i486.  Regretful.  But the i486 performs quite nicely in its
assigned roles.

Regards,
Steve

www.Venture60.com
www.DeltaVortex.com
www.CohenBrothers.org



-----Original Message-----
From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
[mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:21 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice


> If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL. 
> If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> pretty well.

Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
these days?

Bob

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http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From ed_mitchell at adc.com  Wed Aug  9 09:57:20 2000
From: ed_mitchell at adc.com (ed_mitchell at adc.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:57:20 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11501.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

One problem I had with my Pac Bell acct.(enhanced services ADSL, they gave
me 5 statics) was with the Alcatel box they sent the tech out with.  Worked
fine for a while, but then sometimes it would start to spew out it's
Ethernet ports' MAC address when it got an ARP request.  While seemingly
normal behavior, it simply stopped bridging and would not make routing
decisions.  Beforehand, it looks like it was handing out the far end
ethernet address of the DSLAM or something, which would make more sense in
a bridging environment.  If you go with Pac Bell, get either the Cayman
3220-H (btw, be sure to lock it down) or ask for one of the older Westell
bridges.





From: Kurt Nowak <knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu> on 08/09/2000 03:35
      AM GMT

Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org

To:   rescue at sunhelp.org
cc:    (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram)
Subject:  [SunRescue] dsl advice




Hello all,

Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
Sparcs into the picture!

Thanks for any help

Kurt

_______________________________________________
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http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue










From ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell  Wed Aug  9 09:57:20 2000
From: ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell (ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 07:57:20 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11502.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

One problem I had with my Pac Bell acct.(enhanced services ADSL, they gave
me 5 statics) was with the Alcatel box they sent the tech out with.  Worked
fine for a while, but then sometimes it would start to spew out it's
Ethernet ports' MAC address when it got an ARP request.  While seemingly
normal behavior, it simply stopped bridging and would not make routing
decisions.  Beforehand, it looks like it was handing out the far end
ethernet address of the DSLAM or something, which would make more sense in
a bridging environment.  If you go with Pac Bell, get either the Cayman
3220-H (btw, be sure to lock it down) or ask for one of the older Westell
bridges.





From: Kurt Nowak <knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu> on 08/09/2000 03:35
      AM GMT

Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org

To:   rescue at sunhelp.org
cc:    (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram)
Subject:  [SunRescue] dsl advice




Hello all,

Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them? Id hate to
buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
Sparcs into the picture!

Thanks for any help

Kurt

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue










From bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Wed Aug  9 11:13:44 2000
From: bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:13:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11503.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> > Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> > gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> > things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> > What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> > for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> > these days?
> 
> I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I never touch
> it.  More than enough speed.

Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for this particular
kind of gateway application?

Bob




From BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu  Wed Aug  9 11:13:44 2000
From: BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu (BSDBobtheoldgreybeadBSDfreakbobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:13:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11504.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> > Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> > gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> > things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> > What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> > for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> > these days?
> 
> I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I never touch
> it.  More than enough speed.

Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for this particular
kind of gateway application?

Bob




From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  9 11:23:38 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:23:38 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11505.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
> [mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:14 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice
> 
> > > Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older 
> sparc as a
> > > gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and 
> have available
> > > things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I 
> could use.
> > > What are the pros and cons of using older slower 
> equipment as gateways
> > > for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is 
> likely to get
> > > these days?
> > 
> > I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I 
> never touch
> > it.  More than enough speed.
> 
> Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for 
> this particular
> kind of gateway application?

I doubt it, assuming that you're keeping up with patches.  My RedHat
firewall doesn't run anything except the firewall software, so it should be
pretty hard to break, unless there is a flaw in the kernel someplace.  I'm
planning to move over to OpenBSD soon, but that's mostly because I'm hoping
to add some functionality, not for increased security.  OpenBSD ships
secure, RedHat can be made secure.  I don't think that OpenBSD out of the
box is any more secure than a well locked down Linux machine.  And I
certainly like the way that RedHat works better than those weird BSD things.
:-)
	Greg




From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Wed Aug  9 11:23:38 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:23:38 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11506.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
> [mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:14 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice
> 
> > > Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older 
> sparc as a
> > > gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and 
> have available
> > > things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I 
> could use.
> > > What are the pros and cons of using older slower 
> equipment as gateways
> > > for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is 
> likely to get
> > > these days?
> > 
> > I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I 
> never touch
> > it.  More than enough speed.
> 
> Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for 
> this particular
> kind of gateway application?

I doubt it, assuming that you're keeping up with patches.  My RedHat
firewall doesn't run anything except the firewall software, so it should be
pretty hard to break, unless there is a flaw in the kernel someplace.  I'm
planning to move over to OpenBSD soon, but that's mostly because I'm hoping
to add some functionality, not for increased security.  OpenBSD ships
secure, RedHat can be made secure.  I don't think that OpenBSD out of the
box is any more secure than a well locked down Linux machine.  And I
certainly like the way that RedHat works better than those weird BSD things.
:-)
	Greg




From martin at dsres.com  Wed Aug  9 11:24:05 2000
From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:24:05 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11507.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for this
> particular kind of gateway application?

Certain Linux kernels had a major bug in the NAT code: they didn't
check the source port (maybe the whole address?) in incoming packets.
This means that under certain circumstances it's possible to sneak
packets through the supposed firewall.

As to breaking into the firewall itself, an out-of-the-box RedHat
is wide open with all the services that are enabled by default.
If you turn everything off and disable inetd, things should improve
a lot.

OTOH, I'm not sure if OpenBSD supports SYN cookies, so Linux may
be more resistant to SYN flooding.

--m




From MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com  Wed Aug  9 11:24:05 2000
From: MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com (MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 17:24:05 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11508.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for this
> particular kind of gateway application?

Certain Linux kernels had a major bug in the NAT code: they didn't
check the source port (maybe the whole address?) in incoming packets.
This means that under certain circumstances it's possible to sneak
packets through the supposed firewall.

As to breaking into the firewall itself, an out-of-the-box RedHat
is wide open with all the services that are enabled by default.
If you turn everything off and disable inetd, things should improve
a lot.

OTOH, I'm not sure if OpenBSD supports SYN cookies, so Linux may
be more resistant to SYN flooding.

--m




From johnl at microware.com  Wed Aug  9 11:56:47 2000
From: johnl at microware.com (John Lengeling)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:56:47 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11509.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
> > [mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:14 AM
> > To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice
> >
> > > > Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older
> > sparc as a
> > > > gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and
> > have available
> > > > things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I
> > could use.
> > > > What are the pros and cons of using older slower
> > equipment as gateways
> > > > for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is
> > likely to get
> > > > these days?
> > >
> > > I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I
> > never touch
> > > it.  More than enough speed.
> >
> > Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for
> > this particular
> > kind of gateway application?
> 
> I doubt it, assuming that you're keeping up with patches.  My RedHat
> firewall doesn't run anything except the firewall software, so it should be
> pretty hard to break, unless there is a flaw in the kernel someplace.  I'm
> planning to move over to OpenBSD soon, but that's mostly because I'm hoping
> to add some functionality, not for increased security.  OpenBSD ships
> secure, RedHat can be made secure.  I don't think that OpenBSD out of the
> box is any more secure than a well locked down Linux machine.

I would argue that OpenBSD is more secure since they do not allow code
into the source tree until 
it has had a through security audit.  I think that OpenBSD's security
track record speaks for itself.

Also run snort on your firewall for intrusion detection.

>  And I
> certainly like the way that RedHat works better than those weird BSD things.
> :-)
>         Greg
> _______________________________________________
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From JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com  Wed Aug  9 11:56:47 2000
From: JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com (JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 11:56:47 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11510.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


Gregory Leblanc wrote:
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
> > [mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:14 AM
> > To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> > Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice
> >
> > > > Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older
> > sparc as a
> > > > gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and
> > have available
> > > > things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I
> > could use.
> > > > What are the pros and cons of using older slower
> > equipment as gateways
> > > > for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is
> > likely to get
> > > > these days?
> > >
> > > I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I
> > never touch
> > > it.  More than enough speed.
> >
> > Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for
> > this particular
> > kind of gateway application?
> 
> I doubt it, assuming that you're keeping up with patches.  My RedHat
> firewall doesn't run anything except the firewall software, so it should be
> pretty hard to break, unless there is a flaw in the kernel someplace.  I'm
> planning to move over to OpenBSD soon, but that's mostly because I'm hoping
> to add some functionality, not for increased security.  OpenBSD ships
> secure, RedHat can be made secure.  I don't think that OpenBSD out of the
> box is any more secure than a well locked down Linux machine.

I would argue that OpenBSD is more secure since they do not allow code
into the source tree until 
it has had a through security audit.  I think that OpenBSD's security
track record speaks for itself.

Also run snort on your firewall for intrusion detection.

>  And I
> certainly like the way that RedHat works better than those weird BSD things.
> :-)
>         Greg
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From erico at bendcable.com  Wed Aug  9 12:15:00 2000
From: erico at bendcable.com (Eric Ozrelic)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:15:00 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11511.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'm currently setting up a very similar system to what is being talked
about.
I'm going to be using a Sparc LX, with an HME card. Le0 would be connected
to an
SDSL connection, Hme0 would be connected to the 10/100 switch.
I decided to go with Solaris on the box and am going
to use ipfilter due to the fact that other OS's have such poor support for
the HME adapter, and if it is supported, it seems to be really slow for a
100MBps connection. There is an excellent resource on selling up both
DHCP and ipfilter at: http://www.rite-group.com/consulting/solaris_dhcp.html
for Solaris 2.6, and 7.

Regards,

Eric Ozrelic
aka ProjektSUN








From EricOzrelicerico at bendcable.com  Wed Aug  9 12:15:00 2000
From: EricOzrelicerico at bendcable.com (EricOzrelicerico at bendcable.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 10:15:00 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11512.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'm currently setting up a very similar system to what is being talked
about.
I'm going to be using a Sparc LX, with an HME card. Le0 would be connected
to an
SDSL connection, Hme0 would be connected to the 10/100 switch.
I decided to go with Solaris on the box and am going
to use ipfilter due to the fact that other OS's have such poor support for
the HME adapter, and if it is supported, it seems to be really slow for a
100MBps connection. There is an excellent resource on selling up both
DHCP and ipfilter at: http://www.rite-group.com/consulting/solaris_dhcp.html
for Solaris 2.6, and 7.

Regards,

Eric Ozrelic
aka ProjektSUN








From shatle at vue.com  Wed Aug  9 12:15:44 2000
From: shatle at vue.com (Hatle, Steven J.)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:15:44 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11513.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I use ipfilter on an IPX for 8-10 machines behind my cable modem, and I've
never been able to make it breathe hard.

FWIW,

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
[mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:21 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice


> If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL. 
> If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> pretty well.

Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
these days?

Bob

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From Hatle  Wed Aug  9 12:15:44 2000
From: Hatle (Hatle)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 12:15:44 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11514.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I use ipfilter on an IPX for 8-10 machines behind my cable modem, and I've
never been able to make it breathe hard.

FWIW,

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
[mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:21 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice


> If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL. 
> If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> pretty well.

Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
these days?

Bob

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From kurt at csh.rit.edu  Wed Aug  9 13:35:03 2000
From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:35:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11515.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> these days?
> 
> Bob

You should be plenty fine with an IPX or SS2.  I have an IPC that's 
running Linux (not the popular choice, I know) and is the firewall
for a friend's cable modem.  It runs like a champ, and the constraint
has always been the server at the other end.

The real trick is getting the extra network card.  If anyone has any
extra SBus ether cards, let me know, cause I'm looking for a couple.
I've gotten a couple requests from people to set them up an IPX
firewall =)

--Kurt





From KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu  Wed Aug  9 13:35:03 2000
From: KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu (KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:35:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11516.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> these days?
> 
> Bob

You should be plenty fine with an IPX or SS2.  I have an IPC that's 
running Linux (not the popular choice, I know) and is the firewall
for a friend's cable modem.  It runs like a champ, and the constraint
has always been the server at the other end.

The real trick is getting the extra network card.  If anyone has any
extra SBus ether cards, let me know, cause I'm looking for a couple.
I've gotten a couple requests from people to set them up an IPX
firewall =)

--Kurt





From kurt at csh.rit.edu  Wed Aug  9 13:47:03 2000
From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11517.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for this particular
> kind of gateway application?
> 
> Bob

Depends how much work you want to do =)

OpenBSD ships in a safe state, I think the NAT might take a little
work, but you don't really need to worry about hardening OpenBSD.
Red Hat ships WIDE open.  But that is fixable.

I myself prefer Debian GNU/Linux.  The package management is
spectacular.  You think Red Hat does package management, but
compared to Debian, they DON'T =)

I was able to throw a Debian Sparc install on an IPC with a 207 meg
drive and have 45 meg free.  And that's even with the fact that I
gave Linux 50 meg of swap =)

--Kurt





From KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu  Wed Aug  9 13:47:03 2000
From: KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu (KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11518.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:

> Are there any security issues in using Redhat vs Openbsd for this particular
> kind of gateway application?
> 
> Bob

Depends how much work you want to do =)

OpenBSD ships in a safe state, I think the NAT might take a little
work, but you don't really need to worry about hardening OpenBSD.
Red Hat ships WIDE open.  But that is fixable.

I myself prefer Debian GNU/Linux.  The package management is
spectacular.  You think Red Hat does package management, but
compared to Debian, they DON'T =)

I was able to throw a Debian Sparc install on an IPC with a 207 meg
drive and have 45 meg free.  And that's even with the fact that I
gave Linux 50 meg of swap =)

--Kurt





From jeisch at boku.net  Wed Aug  9 15:57:16 2000
From: jeisch at boku.net (Jonathan Eisch)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:57:16 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11519.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I dumped a bunch of these messages, so maybe I'm repeating what someone
has already said, but NetBSD has NAT built into the kernel, and my
classic never goes much over idle even when I'm really pounding it.

-Jonathan

"Hatle, Steven J." wrote:
> 
> I use ipfilter on an IPX for 8-10 machines behind my cable modem, and I've
> never been able to make it breathe hard.
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
> [mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:21 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice
> 
> > If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL.
> > If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> > whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> > on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> > pretty well.
> 
> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> these days?
> 
> Bob
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
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From JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net  Wed Aug  9 15:57:16 2000
From: JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net (JonathanEischjeisch at boku.net)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:57:16 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11520.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I dumped a bunch of these messages, so maybe I'm repeating what someone
has already said, but NetBSD has NAT built into the kernel, and my
classic never goes much over idle even when I'm really pounding it.

-Jonathan

"Hatle, Steven J." wrote:
> 
> I use ipfilter on an IPX for 8-10 machines behind my cable modem, and I've
> never been able to make it breathe hard.
> 
> FWIW,
> 
> Steve
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
> [mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:21 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice
> 
> > If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL.
> > If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> > whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> > on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> > pretty well.
> 
> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> these days?
> 
> Bob
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 17:05:18 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:05:18 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11521.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>



> I see that you have a Cal Poly SLO email address.  I've found Pacbell's
> DSL offering to be tolerable, $40/mo including line and ISP charges for a
> static IP and free h/w with signup is certainly at the cheap end of the
> spectrum.  Downside is that they only offer 128kbps uplink for the cheap
> plans.
>

Yes, im at CPSLO.. I looked at PacBell DSL but was weary after reading all
the "pac-hell" negative comments about their service on
http://www.dslreports.com. Of course a lot of those people dont know what
they heck they are talking about either...*grin*...Perhaps the service in SLO
its not so bad...
My friend has GTE DSL and doesnt seem to have any problems...but of course
she uses a regular windoze box...that sevice seems to be set up such that the
NIC is bound to the DSL modem...hence my original concerns.... at least that
is what i realized when i tried swapping NICs in her PC. Charter cable was
that way too with certain cable modems that they were using...But its odd
that my friend in san diego, who has roadrunner has no problems with bound
NICs....just plain DHCP connect...



> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 17:05:18 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:05:18 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11522.1174460359.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>



> I see that you have a Cal Poly SLO email address.  I've found Pacbell's
> DSL offering to be tolerable, $40/mo including line and ISP charges for a
> static IP and free h/w with signup is certainly at the cheap end of the
> spectrum.  Downside is that they only offer 128kbps uplink for the cheap
> plans.
>

Yes, im at CPSLO.. I looked at PacBell DSL but was weary after reading all
the "pac-hell" negative comments about their service on
http://www.dslreports.com. Of course a lot of those people dont know what
they heck they are talking about either...*grin*...Perhaps the service in SLO
its not so bad...
My friend has GTE DSL and doesnt seem to have any problems...but of course
she uses a regular windoze box...that sevice seems to be set up such that the
NIC is bound to the DSL modem...hence my original concerns.... at least that
is what i realized when i tried swapping NICs in her PC. Charter cable was
that way too with certain cable modems that they were using...But its odd
that my friend in san diego, who has roadrunner has no problems with bound
NICs....just plain DHCP connect...



> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 17:13:22 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:13:22 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11523.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


Chris Terwilliger wrote:

> BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:
>
> > Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> > gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> > things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> > What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> > for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> > these days?
>
> I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I never touch
> it.  More than enough speed.
>
> --
> // Chris Terwilliger
> // chris at searat.com
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue

Heck, i set up an SS1+ running OpenBSD and ipfiler/NAT to be a gateway for my
friends roadrunner cablemodem...its been solid as a rock, and up for several
months without a reboot...and he doenst notice any difference! He just has
his SS5 and his wifes PC on the other side though...so not too much of a
load...





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 17:13:22 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:13:22 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11524.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


Chris Terwilliger wrote:

> BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:
>
> > Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> > gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> > things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> > What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> > for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> > these days?
>
> I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I never touch
> it.  More than enough speed.
>
> --
> // Chris Terwilliger
> // chris at searat.com
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue

Heck, i set up an SS1+ running OpenBSD and ipfiler/NAT to be a gateway for my
friends roadrunner cablemodem...its been solid as a rock, and up for several
months without a reboot...and he doenst notice any difference! He just has
his SS5 and his wifes PC on the other side though...so not too much of a
load...





From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 17:17:30 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:17:30 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11525.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I found a cheap source for Artecon 10Base-T S-Bus NICs down in San Diego...so id
rather see my old sparcs go to good use as firewalls than an old PC... JMHO..

Kurt

scohen - Stephen Cohen wrote:

> I am using an i486 Linux box as my home's masquerade server and as an apache
> web server.  The network has three boxes behind the masquerade server -
> Win98, Win95, and a SPARCstation IPX running Linux.
>
> The only reason that the IPX isn't being used as the masquerade server is
> that the cost of the 2nd NIC is far greater than the entire cost I've sunk
> into the lowly i486.  Regretful.  But the i486 performs quite nicely in its
> assigned roles.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> www.Venture60.com
> www.DeltaVortex.com
> www.CohenBrothers.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
> [mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:21 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice
>
> > If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL.
> > If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> > whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> > on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> > pretty well.
>
> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> these days?
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 17:17:30 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 15:17:30 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11526.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I found a cheap source for Artecon 10Base-T S-Bus NICs down in San Diego...so id
rather see my old sparcs go to good use as firewalls than an old PC... JMHO..

Kurt

scohen - Stephen Cohen wrote:

> I am using an i486 Linux box as my home's masquerade server and as an apache
> web server.  The network has three boxes behind the masquerade server -
> Win98, Win95, and a SPARCstation IPX running Linux.
>
> The only reason that the IPX isn't being used as the masquerade server is
> that the cost of the 2nd NIC is far greater than the entire cost I've sunk
> into the lowly i486.  Regretful.  But the i486 performs quite nicely in its
> assigned roles.
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> www.Venture60.com
> www.DeltaVortex.com
> www.CohenBrothers.org
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak
> [mailto:bobkeys at weedcon1.cropsci.ncsu.edu]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:21 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice
>
> > If you can do DHCP you can use your sparc on just about anyone's DSL.
> > If you do NAT, no one will know (hence care) that you are supporting a
> > whole LAN off your computer.  That's my take on it anyway.  I use NetBSD
> > on a Classic as my gateway to the internet, via DSL.  Seems to work
> > pretty well.
>
> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
> these days?
>
> Bob
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 18:44:23 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:44:23 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11527.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


Ken Hansen wrote:

> My local DSL provider uses PPoE, an unusual protocol that that "emulates"
> dial-up over ethernet.

I think that is what earthlink DSL uses too.. so ill scratch them off my list..






From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 18:44:23 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:44:23 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11528.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


Ken Hansen wrote:

> My local DSL provider uses PPoE, an unusual protocol that that "emulates"
> dial-up over ethernet.

I think that is what earthlink DSL uses too.. so ill scratch them off my list..






From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 18:52:40 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:52:40 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11529.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

>

I might be able to scoop up some 10Base-T Artecon S-Bus cards. I cant
remember how much the surplus guy wanted for them...I know he had boxes of
them.... It will be in about a month when ill find out too.. if anyone is
interested, email me off the list and ill keep you in mind.. Ill be getting
one for my SS2/OpenBSD firewall...

Kurt

>
>
> The real trick is getting the extra network card.  If anyone has any
> extra SBus ether cards, let me know, cause I'm looking for a couple.
> I've gotten a couple requests from people to set them up an IPX
> firewall =)
>
> --Kurt
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Wed Aug  9 18:52:40 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 16:52:40 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11530.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

>

I might be able to scoop up some 10Base-T Artecon S-Bus cards. I cant
remember how much the surplus guy wanted for them...I know he had boxes of
them.... It will be in about a month when ill find out too.. if anyone is
interested, email me off the list and ill keep you in mind.. Ill be getting
one for my SS2/OpenBSD firewall...

Kurt

>
>
> The real trick is getting the extra network card.  If anyone has any
> extra SBus ether cards, let me know, cause I'm looking for a couple.
> I've gotten a couple requests from people to set them up an IPX
> firewall =)
>
> --Kurt
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 20:02:44 2000
From: pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:02:44 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Sun TOPS networking software
Message-ID: <mailman.11531.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Can I use TOPs networking software on older 8088/286 PCs, and still
allow them some kind of file sharing with Solaris NFS, or
IPX/Netbeui/NetBIOS, etc?

Or is it proprietary altogether?  I have tons of copies, and thought
I could put them to use at the computer lab I'm setting up at church
I currently have 4 Win95 boxes, a SPARC 1+, Mac Quadra 610, and 2 Win 3.x
machines,
to make a diverse network.






From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 20:02:44 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:02:44 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Sun TOPS networking software
Message-ID: <mailman.11532.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Can I use TOPs networking software on older 8088/286 PCs, and still
allow them some kind of file sharing with Solaris NFS, or
IPX/Netbeui/NetBIOS, etc?

Or is it proprietary altogether?  I have tons of copies, and thought
I could put them to use at the computer lab I'm setting up at church
I currently have 4 Win95 boxes, a SPARC 1+, Mac Quadra 610, and 2 Win 3.x
machines,
to make a diverse network.






From pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 20:11:20 2000
From: pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:11:20 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11533.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
for the heck of it.

Or is netbooting/installing not possible?  What about the Sun 2/120?
I still have yet to play with my machine.  Also, do I need to set any
jumpers on the Sun 2, including diagnostic switches to use my terminal
as the console?  I noticed lots of jumpers on the boards.  I'll take
pictures and post them on my site if it helps.

Thanks,

Paul





From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 20:11:20 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:11:20 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11534.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
for the heck of it.

Or is netbooting/installing not possible?  What about the Sun 2/120?
I still have yet to play with my machine.  Also, do I need to set any
jumpers on the Sun 2, including diagnostic switches to use my terminal
as the console?  I noticed lots of jumpers on the boards.  I'll take
pictures and post them on my site if it helps.

Thanks,

Paul





From james at foonly.com  Wed Aug  9 20:27:28 2000
From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11535.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:

> Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
> without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
> which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
> for the heck of it.

You can boot off of a CDROM as well if your PROM revision is high enough.
Depends on which sun3.

> Or is netbooting/installing not possible?  What about the Sun 2/120?

Netbooting is very possible.  Works great, though SunOS 4 netbooting is
slightly less cookie-cutter than Solaris 2.

-James





From JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com  Wed Aug  9 20:27:28 2000
From: JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com (JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:27:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11536.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:

> Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
> without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
> which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
> for the heck of it.

You can boot off of a CDROM as well if your PROM revision is high enough.
Depends on which sun3.

> Or is netbooting/installing not possible?  What about the Sun 2/120?

Netbooting is very possible.  Works great, though SunOS 4 netbooting is
slightly less cookie-cutter than Solaris 2.

-James





From pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 20:49:58 2000
From: pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:49:58 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11537.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 06:27 PM 08/09/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:
>
>> Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
>> without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
>> which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
>> for the heck of it.
>
>You can boot off of a CDROM as well if your PROM revision is high enough.
>Depends on which sun3.

Sun 3/60.  How do I check the PROM?  Read the top of the EPROM, or
throught the boot monitor?  If boot monitor, what is the command?
>
>> Or is netbooting/installing not possible?  What about the Sun 2/120?
>
>Netbooting is very possible.  Works great, though SunOS 4 netbooting is
>slightly less cookie-cutter than Solaris 2.
>
That's fine, NetBSD was pretty lengthy, but not too hard.

Paul





From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 20:49:58 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:49:58 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11538.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 06:27 PM 08/09/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:
>
>> Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
>> without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
>> which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
>> for the heck of it.
>
>You can boot off of a CDROM as well if your PROM revision is high enough.
>Depends on which sun3.

Sun 3/60.  How do I check the PROM?  Read the top of the EPROM, or
throught the boot monitor?  If boot monitor, what is the command?
>
>> Or is netbooting/installing not possible?  What about the Sun 2/120?
>
>Netbooting is very possible.  Works great, though SunOS 4 netbooting is
>slightly less cookie-cutter than Solaris 2.
>
That's fine, NetBSD was pretty lengthy, but not too hard.

Paul





From pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 20:50:49 2000
From: pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:50:49 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11539.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 06:27 PM 08/09/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:
>
>> Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
>> without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
>> which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
>> for the heck of it.
>
>You can boot off of a CDROM as well if your PROM revision is high enough.
>Depends on which sun3.

Oh, forgot to mention - I'd like to use the tape images from Bill's
FTP server (the SunOS 4.x archives).

Paul





From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 20:50:49 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 18:50:49 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11540.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 06:27 PM 08/09/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:
>
>> Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
>> without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
>> which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
>> for the heck of it.
>
>You can boot off of a CDROM as well if your PROM revision is high enough.
>Depends on which sun3.

Oh, forgot to mention - I'd like to use the tape images from Bill's
FTP server (the SunOS 4.x archives).

Paul





From ed_mitchell at adc.com  Wed Aug  9 20:54:58 2000
From: ed_mitchell at adc.com (ed_mitchell at adc.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:54:58 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11541.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

What is the prescribed method for netbooting/setting up diskless clients
under Solaris 2.X?  As I understood it, from Sun's pages, you had to have
the AutoClient(?) add-on, which costs.  I know jumpstart will set up
installs, but lots of good that does when you 1) want to actually run the
OS on the diskless box and 2) when you want to jumpstart 30 boxes(that
poor, poor CDROM drive..;)).

Ed



From: James Lockwood <james at foonly.com> on 08/10/2000 01:27 AM GMT

Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org

To:   rescue at sunhelp.org
cc:    (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram)
Subject:  Re: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box




On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:

> Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
> without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
> which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
> for the heck of it.

You can boot off of a CDROM as well if your PROM revision is high enough.
Depends on which sun3.

> Or is netbooting/installing not possible?  What about the Sun 2/120?

Netbooting is very possible.  Works great, though SunOS 4 netbooting is
slightly less cookie-cutter than Solaris 2.

-James

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue










From ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell  Wed Aug  9 20:54:58 2000
From: ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell (ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 18:54:58 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11542.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

What is the prescribed method for netbooting/setting up diskless clients
under Solaris 2.X?  As I understood it, from Sun's pages, you had to have
the AutoClient(?) add-on, which costs.  I know jumpstart will set up
installs, but lots of good that does when you 1) want to actually run the
OS on the diskless box and 2) when you want to jumpstart 30 boxes(that
poor, poor CDROM drive..;)).

Ed



From: James Lockwood <james at foonly.com> on 08/10/2000 01:27 AM GMT

Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org

To:   rescue at sunhelp.org
cc:    (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram)
Subject:  Re: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box




On Wed, 9 Aug 2000, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:

> Is there any way I can install SunOS 4.x on a Sun3
> without using a tape drive?  I thought about NetBSD,
> which I used before, but I'd like to give SunOS a shot
> for the heck of it.

You can boot off of a CDROM as well if your PROM revision is high enough.
Depends on which sun3.

> Or is netbooting/installing not possible?  What about the Sun 2/120?

Netbooting is very possible.  Works great, though SunOS 4 netbooting is
slightly less cookie-cutter than Solaris 2.

-James

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue










From pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 21:03:58 2000
From: pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:03:58 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11543.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 06:54 PM 08/09/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>What is the prescribed method for netbooting/setting up diskless clients
>under Solaris 2.X?  As I understood it, from Sun's pages, you had to have
>the AutoClient(?) add-on, which costs.  I know jumpstart will set up
>installs, but lots of good that does when you 1) want to actually run the
>OS on the diskless box and 2) when you want to jumpstart 30 boxes(that
>poor, poor CDROM drive..;)).

But this is for SunOS 4.x?  I want to actually install onto a HD on
the Sun 3, not netboot as in permanently booting off another machine.






From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Wed Aug  9 21:03:58 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 19:03:58 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11544.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 06:54 PM 08/09/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>What is the prescribed method for netbooting/setting up diskless clients
>under Solaris 2.X?  As I understood it, from Sun's pages, you had to have
>the AutoClient(?) add-on, which costs.  I know jumpstart will set up
>installs, but lots of good that does when you 1) want to actually run the
>OS on the diskless box and 2) when you want to jumpstart 30 boxes(that
>poor, poor CDROM drive..;)).

But this is for SunOS 4.x?  I want to actually install onto a HD on
the Sun 3, not netboot as in permanently booting off another machine.






From james at foonly.com  Wed Aug  9 21:32:38 2000
From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:32:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11545.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 ed_mitchell at adc.com wrote:

> the AutoClient(?) add-on, which costs.  I know jumpstart will set up
> installs, but lots of good that does when you 1) want to actually run the
> OS on the diskless box and 2) when you want to jumpstart 30 boxes(that
> poor, poor CDROM drive..;)).

Jumpstart is perfect for what you want to do, check the documentation
(Advanced Installation guide).  The normal case of a Jumpstart install
does exactly what you want, the setup scripts copy the CDROM files to a
local area on your boot server and the client systems load their OS onto
their disks however you like.

-James





From JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com  Wed Aug  9 21:32:38 2000
From: JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com (JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2000 19:32:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11546.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 ed_mitchell at adc.com wrote:

> the AutoClient(?) add-on, which costs.  I know jumpstart will set up
> installs, but lots of good that does when you 1) want to actually run the
> OS on the diskless box and 2) when you want to jumpstart 30 boxes(that
> poor, poor CDROM drive..;)).

Jumpstart is perfect for what you want to do, check the documentation
(Advanced Installation guide).  The normal case of a Jumpstart install
does exactly what you want, the setup scripts copy the CDROM files to a
local area on your boot server and the client systems load their OS onto
their disks however you like.

-James





From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Thu Aug 10 00:13:37 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:13:37 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11547.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


koyote wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I've been playing with a compuadd ss1 (sparc 1 clone) for a while. I've got
> debian potato running, but would like to put an older (2.x) solaris on it.

Ouch... that will be a painfully slow setup..plus its advisable to come up with
the full 64megs.

>

>
>
> I have a 2.6 cdrom, but I'm not sure if it is the right one, and if it is, it
> won't boot. I belive this is because none of my 5 old scsi cdroms are models
> used by Sun (or compuadd, i guess).

make sure the CD drive is in scsi ID6 or check http://saturn.tlug.org/suncdfaq/
for compatibility issues...

>
>
> Is there any way to install short of finding a 411?
>
> (specs, compuaddss1, 40 meg RAM, some lsilogic framebuffer, converted pc
> floppy, 650meg drive with a seriously hosed 4.2 install, 540meg drive (not
> conneted), 1 gig drive (not connected), various generic scsi cdroms, ehternet
> transceiver, 19" monitor)
>

If you REALLY want to get solaris on there, Id swap out the 650MB drive for the
1Gig you have...or use both 540 and 650 drives in the pizza box and juggle the
partions...40 megs might be ok..not sure. I tried with 16 megs many moons ago and
the thing choked during the setup.

>
> Thanks,
> Christof
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Thu Aug 10 00:13:37 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:13:37 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11548.1174460360.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


koyote wrote:

> Hiya,
>
> I've been playing with a compuadd ss1 (sparc 1 clone) for a while. I've got
> debian potato running, but would like to put an older (2.x) solaris on it.

Ouch... that will be a painfully slow setup..plus its advisable to come up with
the full 64megs.

>

>
>
> I have a 2.6 cdrom, but I'm not sure if it is the right one, and if it is, it
> won't boot. I belive this is because none of my 5 old scsi cdroms are models
> used by Sun (or compuadd, i guess).

make sure the CD drive is in scsi ID6 or check http://saturn.tlug.org/suncdfaq/
for compatibility issues...

>
>
> Is there any way to install short of finding a 411?
>
> (specs, compuaddss1, 40 meg RAM, some lsilogic framebuffer, converted pc
> floppy, 650meg drive with a seriously hosed 4.2 install, 540meg drive (not
> conneted), 1 gig drive (not connected), various generic scsi cdroms, ehternet
> transceiver, 19" monitor)
>

If you REALLY want to get solaris on there, Id swap out the 650MB drive for the
1Gig you have...or use both 540 and 650 drives in the pizza box and juggle the
partions...40 megs might be ok..not sure. I tried with 16 megs many moons ago and
the thing choked during the setup.

>
> Thanks,
> Christof
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From pkhoury2 at loop.com  Thu Aug 10 06:11:20 2000
From: pkhoury2 at loop.com (Paul Khoury)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:11:20 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11549.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:13:37 -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:

>
>If you REALLY want to get solaris on there, Id swap out the 650MB drive for the
>1Gig you have...or use both 540 and 650 drives in the pizza box and juggle the
>partions...40 megs might be ok..not sure. I tried with 16 megs many moons ago and
>the thing choked during the setup.
>

I'm running Solaris 2.6 on a SS1+ I put to use at church as web server
for the computer lab there.  Only 16MB of RAM, 170MB HD (accidently put that
in instead of the 500MB I was supposed to put in), and it installed fine in text mode,
and apache is quick and responsive.  And I was surprised, considering Solaris is RAM hungry.

Paul






From PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com  Thu Aug 10 06:11:20 2000
From: PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com (PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:11:20 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11550.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 22:13:37 -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:

>
>If you REALLY want to get solaris on there, Id swap out the 650MB drive for the
>1Gig you have...or use both 540 and 650 drives in the pizza box and juggle the
>partions...40 megs might be ok..not sure. I tried with 16 megs many moons ago and
>the thing choked during the setup.
>

I'm running Solaris 2.6 on a SS1+ I put to use at church as web server
for the computer lab there.  Only 16MB of RAM, 170MB HD (accidently put that
in instead of the 500MB I was supposed to put in), and it installed fine in text mode,
and apache is quick and responsive.  And I was surprised, considering Solaris is RAM hungry.

Paul






From pkhoury2 at loop.com  Thu Aug 10 06:15:06 2000
From: pkhoury2 at loop.com (Paul Khoury)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:15:06 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11551.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:41 -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
>still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
>like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
>advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
>implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
>internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
>the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
>there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
>right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
>few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them?

Yeah - you'll get lots of spam, you get the usual dynamic IP address, and
you're supposed to use their pathetic WinPOET software.  Most of my co-workers
at Earthlink don't even use their DSL, but rather other providers. =)
(Fortunately, I start a new job on Monday, so now I can really make fun of Earthlink).

Not sure about broadband, but I do know tech support in general is 24/7/365, which
is a big PLUS.

 Id hate to
>buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
>Sparcs into the picture!
>
Well, to put it this way, the most Earthlink would do is give you the settings.
I'm willing to bet I'm one of the few or only people/person who knows about Solaris
in tech support anyways... =(







From PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com  Thu Aug 10 06:15:06 2000
From: PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com (PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:15:06 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11552.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:41 -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
>still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
>like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
>advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
>implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
>internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
>the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
>there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
>right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
>few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them?

Yeah - you'll get lots of spam, you get the usual dynamic IP address, and
you're supposed to use their pathetic WinPOET software.  Most of my co-workers
at Earthlink don't even use their DSL, but rather other providers. =)
(Fortunately, I start a new job on Monday, so now I can really make fun of Earthlink).

Not sure about broadband, but I do know tech support in general is 24/7/365, which
is a big PLUS.

 Id hate to
>buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
>Sparcs into the picture!
>
Well, to put it this way, the most Earthlink would do is give you the settings.
I'm willing to bet I'm one of the few or only people/person who knows about Solaris
in tech support anyways... =(







From pkhoury2 at loop.com  Thu Aug 10 06:21:56 2000
From: pkhoury2 at loop.com (Paul Khoury)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:21:56 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11553.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:43:41 -0400, Chris Terwilliger wrote:

>BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:
>
>> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
>> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
>> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
>> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
>> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
>> these days?
>
>I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I never touch
>it.  More than enough speed.
>

Not that this is the best comparison, but I use 2 OS/2 boxes
for my NAT/gateway, one is a 56k modem, 200MHz, the
other is a ThinkPad, 33.6k, 33MHz, and obviously the first
is fastest, but speed differences are neglible.  So I think
a lower end SPARC should do well - the ThinkPad seems to be
as fast as the IPC I use on that network.








From PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com  Thu Aug 10 06:21:56 2000
From: PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com (PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:21:56 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11554.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 09 Aug 2000 10:43:41 -0400, Chris Terwilliger wrote:

>BSD Bob the old greybead BSD freak wrote:
>
>> Are there any issues with machine speed in using an older sparc as a
>> gateway?  I was thinking of doing something similar, and have available
>> things like an IPX or an SS2, or maybe a DEC 3000 that I could use.
>> What are the pros and cons of using older slower equipment as gateways
>> for the home net, at the usual home connect speeds one is likely to get
>> these days?
>
>I use an IPX running Redhat 5.2.  It performs flawlessly, I never touch
>it.  More than enough speed.
>

Not that this is the best comparison, but I use 2 OS/2 boxes
for my NAT/gateway, one is a 56k modem, 200MHz, the
other is a ThinkPad, 33.6k, 33MHz, and obviously the first
is fastest, but speed differences are neglible.  So I think
a lower end SPARC should do well - the ThinkPad seems to be
as fast as the IPC I use on that network.








From pkhoury2 at loop.com  Thu Aug 10 06:24:05 2000
From: pkhoury2 at loop.com (Paul Khoury)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:24:05 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11555.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:50:41 -0500, scohen - Stephen Cohen wrote:

>I am using an i486 Linux box as my home's masquerade server and as an apache
>web server.  The network has three boxes behind the masquerade server -
>Win98, Win95, and a SPARCstation IPX running Linux.
>
>The only reason that the IPX isn't being used as the masquerade server is
>that the cost of the 2nd NIC is far greater than the entire cost I've sunk
>into the lowly i486.  Regretful.  But the i486 performs quite nicely in its
>assigned roles.
>
I will say that 486's work great as gateways, since you really don't need
an UltraSPARC or a PIII to do the job.
I plan on getting a ThinkPad 360x or 2 to use as backup NAT/gateways
until I get DSL/when I travel (sadly, I like to take at least 3 ThinkPads
with me when I travel, and sometimes I'll include the SPARC also).








From PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com  Thu Aug 10 06:24:05 2000
From: PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com (PaulKhourypkhoury2 at loop.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 04:24:05 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11556.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 09:50:41 -0500, scohen - Stephen Cohen wrote:

>I am using an i486 Linux box as my home's masquerade server and as an apache
>web server.  The network has three boxes behind the masquerade server -
>Win98, Win95, and a SPARCstation IPX running Linux.
>
>The only reason that the IPX isn't being used as the masquerade server is
>that the cost of the 2nd NIC is far greater than the entire cost I've sunk
>into the lowly i486.  Regretful.  But the i486 performs quite nicely in its
>assigned roles.
>
I will say that 486's work great as gateways, since you really don't need
an UltraSPARC or a PIII to do the job.
I plan on getting a ThinkPad 360x or 2 to use as backup NAT/gateways
until I get DSL/when I travel (sadly, I like to take at least 3 ThinkPads
with me when I travel, and sometimes I'll include the SPARC also).








From koyote at koyote.cx  Thu Aug 10 07:43:50 2000
From: koyote at koyote.cx (koyote)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:43:50 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11557.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hiya,

I've been playing with a compuadd ss1 (sparc 1 clone) for a while. I've got
debian potato running, but would like to put an older (2.x) solaris on it.

I have a 2.6 cdrom, but I'm not sure if it is the right one, and if it is, it
won't boot. I belive this is because none of my 5 old scsi cdroms are models
used by Sun (or compuadd, i guess).

Is there any way to install short of finding a 411?

(specs, compuaddss1, 40 meg RAM, some lsilogic framebuffer, converted pc
floppy, 650meg drive with a seriously hosed 4.2 install, 540meg drive (not
conneted), 1 gig drive (not connected), various generic scsi cdroms, ehternet
transceiver, 19" monitor)

Thanks,
Christof 




From koyotekoyote at koyote.cx  Thu Aug 10 07:43:50 2000
From: koyotekoyote at koyote.cx (koyotekoyote at koyote.cx)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 12:43:50 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11558.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hiya,

I've been playing with a compuadd ss1 (sparc 1 clone) for a while. I've got
debian potato running, but would like to put an older (2.x) solaris on it.

I have a 2.6 cdrom, but I'm not sure if it is the right one, and if it is, it
won't boot. I belive this is because none of my 5 old scsi cdroms are models
used by Sun (or compuadd, i guess).

Is there any way to install short of finding a 411?

(specs, compuaddss1, 40 meg RAM, some lsilogic framebuffer, converted pc
floppy, 650meg drive with a seriously hosed 4.2 install, 540meg drive (not
conneted), 1 gig drive (not connected), various generic scsi cdroms, ehternet
transceiver, 19" monitor)

Thanks,
Christof 




From dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org  Thu Aug 10 07:49:57 2000
From: dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (dfp10)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:49:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Best purchase of an older Sparc machine for home
Message-ID: <mailman.11559.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hello,
I would like a RISC Sun computer at home. Speed is not too important. What is a 
good buy of a used machine?  Approximate price and source would be very helpful.
Thanks, Don

###############################################################
Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047





From dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org  Thu Aug 10 07:49:57 2000
From: dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (dfp10dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 08:49:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Best purchase of an older Sparc machine for home
Message-ID: <mailman.11560.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hello,
I would like a RISC Sun computer at home. Speed is not too important. What is a 
good buy of a used machine?  Approximate price and source would be very helpful.
Thanks, Don

###############################################################
Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047





From ed_mitchell at adc.com  Thu Aug 10 08:32:44 2000
From: ed_mitchell at adc.com (ed_mitchell at adc.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:32:44 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11561.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

The idea was to use diskless clients, which is why I thought Jumpstart was
ruled out.  Your example mentioned the client disks, which in this case
there wouldn't necessarily be. :)

Ed



From: James Lockwood <james at foonly.com> on 08/10/2000 02:32 AM GMT

Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org

To:   rescue at sunhelp.org
cc:    (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram)
Subject:  Re: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box




On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 ed_mitchell at adc.com wrote:

> the AutoClient(?) add-on, which costs.  I know jumpstart will set up
> installs, but lots of good that does when you 1) want to actually run the
> OS on the diskless box and 2) when you want to jumpstart 30 boxes(that
> poor, poor CDROM drive..;)).

Jumpstart is perfect for what you want to do, check the documentation
(Advanced Installation guide).  The normal case of a Jumpstart install
does exactly what you want, the setup scripts copy the CDROM files to a
local area on your boot server and the client systems load their OS onto
their disks however you like.

-James

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue










From ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell  Thu Aug 10 08:32:44 2000
From: ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell (ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 06:32:44 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box
Message-ID: <mailman.11562.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

The idea was to use diskless clients, which is why I thought Jumpstart was
ruled out.  Your example mentioned the client disks, which in this case
there wouldn't necessarily be. :)

Ed



From: James Lockwood <james at foonly.com> on 08/10/2000 02:32 AM GMT

Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org

To:   rescue at sunhelp.org
cc:    (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram)
Subject:  Re: [SunRescue] Installing SunOS 4.x on a Sun 3 box




On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 ed_mitchell at adc.com wrote:

> the AutoClient(?) add-on, which costs.  I know jumpstart will set up
> installs, but lots of good that does when you 1) want to actually run the
> OS on the diskless box and 2) when you want to jumpstart 30 boxes(that
> poor, poor CDROM drive..;)).

Jumpstart is perfect for what you want to do, check the documentation
(Advanced Installation guide).  The normal case of a Jumpstart install
does exactly what you want, the setup scripts copy the CDROM files to a
local area on your boot server and the client systems load their OS onto
their disks however you like.

-James

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue










From druaga at pmail.net  Thu Aug 10 10:05:51 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:05:51 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] SunPC SBUS Cards...
Message-ID: <mailman.11563.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

FWIW this woman, mailto:puterdonna at yahoo.com,  has several 486 SunPC cards
she's selling.  I paid $55 for mine via E-bay but she will sell direct.

Give her a buzz if you're interested.  I'll let you guys know if mine comes
through bad.

Mike Hebel





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Thu Aug 10 10:05:51 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:05:51 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] SunPC SBUS Cards...
Message-ID: <mailman.11564.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

FWIW this woman, mailto:puterdonna at yahoo.com,  has several 486 SunPC cards
she's selling.  I paid $55 for mine via E-bay but she will sell direct.

Give her a buzz if you're interested.  I'll let you guys know if mine comes
through bad.

Mike Hebel





From johnl at microware.com  Thu Aug 10 10:31:08 2000
From: johnl at microware.com (John Lengeling)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:31:08 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11565.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


Kurt Nowak wrote:
> 
> I found a cheap source for Artecon 10Base-T S-Bus NICs down in San Diego...so id
> rather see my old sparcs go to good use as firewalls than an old PC... JMHO..

I purchased one of these Artecon 10BaseT NICs from ebay several months
ago ($40) and I found out that OpenBSD 2.6 does not work with this
card.  I donated the card to the Sparc port developer in the hopes that
he would fix the problem.   I will have to ping him to see if he got it
working.

If there are any more, I would like to purchase some...

johnl

johnl




From JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com  Thu Aug 10 10:31:08 2000
From: JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com (JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:31:08 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11566.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


Kurt Nowak wrote:
> 
> I found a cheap source for Artecon 10Base-T S-Bus NICs down in San Diego...so id
> rather see my old sparcs go to good use as firewalls than an old PC... JMHO..

I purchased one of these Artecon 10BaseT NICs from ebay several months
ago ($40) and I found out that OpenBSD 2.6 does not work with this
card.  I donated the card to the Sparc port developer in the hopes that
he would fix the problem.   I will have to ping him to see if he got it
working.

If there are any more, I would like to purchase some...

johnl

johnl




From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Thu Aug 10 13:45:01 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:45:01 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11567.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Well not these..... . The Artecon 10base-T NIC im talking about is running perfectly
fine on my friends SS1+ firewall running OpenBSD 2.6

Are you sure you set the jumper on it from AUI to TP?? it somes set with the jumper
set to AUI.

Kurt

John Lengeling wrote:

> Kurt Nowak wrote:
> >
> > I found a cheap source for Artecon 10Base-T S-Bus NICs down in San Diego...so id
> > rather see my old sparcs go to good use as firewalls than an old PC... JMHO..
>
> I purchased one of these Artecon 10BaseT NICs from ebay several months
> ago ($40) and I found out that OpenBSD 2.6 does not work with this
> card.  I donated the card to the Sparc port developer in the hopes that
> he would fix the problem.   I will have to ping him to see if he got it
> working.
>
> If there are any more, I would like to purchase some...
>
> johnl
>
> johnl
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Thu Aug 10 13:45:01 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:45:01 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11568.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Well not these..... . The Artecon 10base-T NIC im talking about is running perfectly
fine on my friends SS1+ firewall running OpenBSD 2.6

Are you sure you set the jumper on it from AUI to TP?? it somes set with the jumper
set to AUI.

Kurt

John Lengeling wrote:

> Kurt Nowak wrote:
> >
> > I found a cheap source for Artecon 10Base-T S-Bus NICs down in San Diego...so id
> > rather see my old sparcs go to good use as firewalls than an old PC... JMHO..
>
> I purchased one of these Artecon 10BaseT NICs from ebay several months
> ago ($40) and I found out that OpenBSD 2.6 does not work with this
> card.  I donated the card to the Sparc port developer in the hopes that
> he would fix the problem.   I will have to ping him to see if he got it
> working.
>
> If there are any more, I would like to purchase some...
>
> johnl
>
> johnl
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Thu Aug 10 13:51:34 2000
From: knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (Kurt Nowak)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:51:34 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11569.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Thanks Paul,

Im just getting my feet wet with the availabilities of DSL. Plus my area is only limited
to a couple of different providers :(
Ive ruled out earthlink already because of the lame pppoe thing..aparently many DSL
providing ISPs are going with the PPPOE thing now so they can sell more accounts with less
hassle on their end... such a shame.

Kurt

Paul Khoury wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:41 -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> >still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> >like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> >advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> >implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> >internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> >the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> >there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> >right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> >few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them?
>
> Yeah - you'll get lots of spam, you get the usual dynamic IP address, and
> you're supposed to use their pathetic WinPOET software.  Most of my co-workers
> at Earthlink don't even use their DSL, but rather other providers. =)
> (Fortunately, I start a new job on Monday, so now I can really make fun of Earthlink).
>
> Not sure about broadband, but I do know tech support in general is 24/7/365, which
> is a big PLUS.
>
>  Id hate to
> >buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> >Sparcs into the picture!
> >
> Well, to put it this way, the most Earthlink would do is give you the settings.
> I'm willing to bet I'm one of the few or only people/person who knows about Solaris
> in tech support anyways... =(
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu  Thu Aug 10 13:51:34 2000
From: KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu (KurtNowakknowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 11:51:34 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11570.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Thanks Paul,

Im just getting my feet wet with the availabilities of DSL. Plus my area is only limited
to a couple of different providers :(
Ive ruled out earthlink already because of the lame pppoe thing..aparently many DSL
providing ISPs are going with the PPPOE thing now so they can sell more accounts with less
hassle on their end... such a shame.

Kurt

Paul Khoury wrote:

> On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:41 -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> >still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> >like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> >advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> >implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be the
> >internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> >the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> >there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> >right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> >few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them?
>
> Yeah - you'll get lots of spam, you get the usual dynamic IP address, and
> you're supposed to use their pathetic WinPOET software.  Most of my co-workers
> at Earthlink don't even use their DSL, but rather other providers. =)
> (Fortunately, I start a new job on Monday, so now I can really make fun of Earthlink).
>
> Not sure about broadband, but I do know tech support in general is 24/7/365, which
> is a big PLUS.
>
>  Id hate to
> >buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> >Sparcs into the picture!
> >
> Well, to put it this way, the most Earthlink would do is give you the settings.
> I'm willing to bet I'm one of the few or only people/person who knows about Solaris
> in tech support anyways... =(
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From johnl at microware.com  Thu Aug 10 14:30:44 2000
From: johnl at microware.com (John Lengeling)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:30:44 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11571.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I think I had an model SBE-200 card.  The problem was that it would
probe the card but you tried doing something with the card like bring
the interface up with ifconfig, it would error out.  I tried this on a
Classic.  It didn't have anything to do with a jumper.  The OpenBSD guy
I sent it do said that it was a known problem but he never had a card
to  fix the problem.

Of course there could be two different ethernet cards from Artecon. 
This one looked like a SCSI/Ethernet card (like a Sun FSBE) but all fo
the SCSI chips were missing.

Since you have first hand knowlege that it works, now I really want to
get one!

johnl

Kurt Nowak wrote:
> 
> Well not these..... . The Artecon 10base-T NIC im talking about is running perfectly
> fine on my friends SS1+ firewall running OpenBSD 2.6
> 
> Are you sure you set the jumper on it from AUI to TP?? it somes set with the jumper
> set to AUI.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> John Lengeling wrote:
> 
> > Kurt Nowak wrote:
> > >
> > > I found a cheap source for Artecon 10Base-T S-Bus NICs down in San Diego...so id
> > > rather see my old sparcs go to good use as firewalls than an old PC... JMHO..
> >
> > I purchased one of these Artecon 10BaseT NICs from ebay several months
> > ago ($40) and I found out that OpenBSD 2.6 does not work with this
> > card.  I donated the card to the Sparc port developer in the hopes that
> > he would fix the problem.   I will have to ping him to see if he got it
> > working.
> >
> > If there are any more, I would like to purchase some...
> >
> > johnl
> >
> > johnl
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com  Thu Aug 10 14:30:44 2000
From: JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com (JohnLengelingjohnl at microware.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 14:30:44 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11572.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I think I had an model SBE-200 card.  The problem was that it would
probe the card but you tried doing something with the card like bring
the interface up with ifconfig, it would error out.  I tried this on a
Classic.  It didn't have anything to do with a jumper.  The OpenBSD guy
I sent it do said that it was a known problem but he never had a card
to  fix the problem.

Of course there could be two different ethernet cards from Artecon. 
This one looked like a SCSI/Ethernet card (like a Sun FSBE) but all fo
the SCSI chips were missing.

Since you have first hand knowlege that it works, now I really want to
get one!

johnl

Kurt Nowak wrote:
> 
> Well not these..... . The Artecon 10base-T NIC im talking about is running perfectly
> fine on my friends SS1+ firewall running OpenBSD 2.6
> 
> Are you sure you set the jumper on it from AUI to TP?? it somes set with the jumper
> set to AUI.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> John Lengeling wrote:
> 
> > Kurt Nowak wrote:
> > >
> > > I found a cheap source for Artecon 10Base-T S-Bus NICs down in San Diego...so id
> > > rather see my old sparcs go to good use as firewalls than an old PC... JMHO..
> >
> > I purchased one of these Artecon 10BaseT NICs from ebay several months
> > ago ($40) and I found out that OpenBSD 2.6 does not work with this
> > card.  I donated the card to the Sparc port developer in the hopes that
> > he would fix the problem.   I will have to ping him to see if he got it
> > working.
> >
> > If there are any more, I would like to purchase some...
> >
> > johnl
> >
> > johnl
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From checkinmystyle at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 10 14:57:22 2000
From: checkinmystyle at hotmail.com (Brian McCloskey)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:57:22 GMT
Subject: [SunRescue] ss1000 cpu data mis-match error
Message-ID: <mailman.11573.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

hello, i checked the archives back to january and didn't really see
anything about this.

someone recently gave me an ss1000 with no cpu's or memory. there are
four system boards installed. i acquired 768mb of ram for it (32mb modules 
501-2196) and installed it according to the FEH. i then acquired 8 sm-81 
mbus cpu modules that are rated for the ss1000 according to sunsolve and 
installed them.

when the system powers on, it will not complete a post, instead
whichever system board is the lowest board installed, the post reports "CPU 
Data Mis-Match error" for both processors on that board. i have tried 
booting with only one board, only one processor, no memory etc. and the 
behavior is always the same.

do i need new boot proms for the sm-81 modules? has anyone seen this
error before? the proms installed on each system board right now are 
525-1325-07 - 525-1328-07. does anyone know which obp rev this is? i know 
that the FEH states that the sm81 requires obp 2.22 or later on all boards 
and i believe that prom rev 12 is obp 2.26 but since i can't make it past a 
post i can't tell which obp rev is provided by prom rev 07.

thanks.
-wu
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From BrianMcCloskeycheckinmystyle at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 10 14:57:22 2000
From: BrianMcCloskeycheckinmystyle at hotmail.com (BrianMcCloskeycheckinmystyle at hotmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 19:57:22 GMT
Subject: [SunRescue] ss1000 cpu data mis-match error
Message-ID: <mailman.11574.1174460361.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

hello, i checked the archives back to january and didn't really see
anything about this.

someone recently gave me an ss1000 with no cpu's or memory. there are
four system boards installed. i acquired 768mb of ram for it (32mb modules 
501-2196) and installed it according to the FEH. i then acquired 8 sm-81 
mbus cpu modules that are rated for the ss1000 according to sunsolve and 
installed them.

when the system powers on, it will not complete a post, instead
whichever system board is the lowest board installed, the post reports "CPU 
Data Mis-Match error" for both processors on that board. i have tried 
booting with only one board, only one processor, no memory etc. and the 
behavior is always the same.

do i need new boot proms for the sm-81 modules? has anyone seen this
error before? the proms installed on each system board right now are 
525-1325-07 - 525-1328-07. does anyone know which obp rev this is? i know 
that the FEH states that the sm81 requires obp 2.22 or later on all boards 
and i believe that prom rev 12 is obp 2.26 but since i can't make it past a 
post i can't tell which obp rev is provided by prom rev 07.

thanks.
-wu
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com





From a222 at redrose.net  Thu Aug 10 15:14:58 2000
From: a222 at redrose.net (Patrick Giagnocavo)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:14:58 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] ss1000 cpu data mis-match error
Message-ID: <mailman.11575.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

on 8/10/2000 3:57 PM, Brian McCloskey at checkinmystyle at hotmail.com wrote:

> when the system powers on, it will not complete a post, instead
> whichever system board is the lowest board installed, the post reports "CPU
> Data Mis-Match error" for both processors on that board. i have tried
> booting with only one board, only one processor, no memory etc. and the
> behavior is always the same.

When you turn the key ALL the way to the right, on the front panel, you put
the machine into extended test mode.  It will step thru ALL tests, and will
give you detailed instructions and diagnostic information.

When you do this, what is the full error message you get?

Cordially

Patrick Giagnocavo
a222 at redrose.net





From PatrickGiagnocavoa222 at redrose.net  Thu Aug 10 15:14:58 2000
From: PatrickGiagnocavoa222 at redrose.net (PatrickGiagnocavoa222 at redrose.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 16:14:58 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] ss1000 cpu data mis-match error
Message-ID: <mailman.11576.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

on 8/10/2000 3:57 PM, Brian McCloskey at checkinmystyle at hotmail.com wrote:

> when the system powers on, it will not complete a post, instead
> whichever system board is the lowest board installed, the post reports "CPU
> Data Mis-Match error" for both processors on that board. i have tried
> booting with only one board, only one processor, no memory etc. and the
> behavior is always the same.

When you turn the key ALL the way to the right, on the front panel, you put
the machine into extended test mode.  It will step thru ALL tests, and will
give you detailed instructions and diagnostic information.

When you do this, what is the full error message you get?

Cordially

Patrick Giagnocavo
a222 at redrose.net





From james at foonly.com  Thu Aug 10 15:17:33 2000
From: james at foonly.com (James Lockwood)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] ss1000 cpu data mis-match error
Message-ID: <mailman.11577.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Brian McCloskey wrote:

> do i need new boot proms for the sm-81 modules? has anyone seen this
> error before? the proms installed on each system board right now are 
> 525-1325-07 - 525-1328-07. does anyone know which obp rev this is? i know 
> that the FEH states that the sm81 requires obp 2.22 or later on all boards 

The SM81 (SuperSparc-II) requires 2.23 or later in sun4d.  Your chips are
2.11v714, these will not work.  You need the 525-132x-11 or higher set.

-James





From JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com  Thu Aug 10 15:17:33 2000
From: JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com (JamesLockwoodjames at foonly.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] ss1000 cpu data mis-match error
Message-ID: <mailman.11578.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Brian McCloskey wrote:

> do i need new boot proms for the sm-81 modules? has anyone seen this
> error before? the proms installed on each system board right now are 
> 525-1325-07 - 525-1328-07. does anyone know which obp rev this is? i know 
> that the FEH states that the sm81 requires obp 2.22 or later on all boards 

The SM81 (SuperSparc-II) requires 2.23 or later in sun4d.  Your chips are
2.11v714, these will not work.  You need the 525-132x-11 or higher set.

-James





From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Thu Aug 10 21:09:41 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:09:41 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11579.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

PPoE is no problem for external routers like the Linksys EtherFast Cable/DSL
router,
and I suspect the D-Link and NetGeat units can also hadle this protocol.

Unlimited DSL at aprox. 700 Kb/s inbound, 128 outbound, and dial-up account
to boot
(for when I travel) for the princely sum of $39.95 from Bell
Atlantic/Verizon is quite
reasonable.

I am not aware of any lost options on my end due to PPoE interface, other
than to use
more than one computer on the connection I would need a $100 device (the
cost of the
Linksys single-port Cable/DSL unit)...

Not as big a problem in the real world, but you may have a philosophical
opposition to
it - your choice...

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Nowak" <knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice


> Thanks Paul,
>
> Im just getting my feet wet with the availabilities of DSL. Plus my area
is only limited
> to a couple of different providers :(
> Ive ruled out earthlink already because of the lame pppoe thing..aparently
many DSL
> providing ISPs are going with the PPPOE thing now so they can sell more
accounts with less
> hassle on their end... such a shame.
>
> Kurt
>
> Paul Khoury wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:41 -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:
> >
> > >Hello all,
> > >
> > >Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> > >still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> > >like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> > >advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> > >implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be
the
> > >internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> > >the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> > >there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> > >right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> > >few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them?
> >
> > Yeah - you'll get lots of spam, you get the usual dynamic IP address,
and
> > you're supposed to use their pathetic WinPOET software.  Most of my
co-workers
> > at Earthlink don't even use their DSL, but rather other providers. =)
> > (Fortunately, I start a new job on Monday, so now I can really make fun
of Earthlink).
> >
> > Not sure about broadband, but I do know tech support in general is
24/7/365, which
> > is a big PLUS.
> >
> >  Id hate to
> > >buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> > >Sparcs into the picture!
> > >
> > Well, to put it this way, the most Earthlink would do is give you the
settings.
> > I'm willing to bet I'm one of the few or only people/person who knows
about Solaris
> > in tech support anyways... =(
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Thu Aug 10 21:09:41 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:09:41 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] dsl advice
Message-ID: <mailman.11580.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

PPoE is no problem for external routers like the Linksys EtherFast Cable/DSL
router,
and I suspect the D-Link and NetGeat units can also hadle this protocol.

Unlimited DSL at aprox. 700 Kb/s inbound, 128 outbound, and dial-up account
to boot
(for when I travel) for the princely sum of $39.95 from Bell
Atlantic/Verizon is quite
reasonable.

I am not aware of any lost options on my end due to PPoE interface, other
than to use
more than one computer on the connection I would need a $100 device (the
cost of the
Linksys single-port Cable/DSL unit)...

Not as big a problem in the real world, but you may have a philosophical
opposition to
it - your choice...

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kurt Nowak" <knowak at polymail.cpunix.calpoly.edu>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] dsl advice


> Thanks Paul,
>
> Im just getting my feet wet with the availabilities of DSL. Plus my area
is only limited
> to a couple of different providers :(
> Ive ruled out earthlink already because of the lame pppoe thing..aparently
many DSL
> providing ISPs are going with the PPPOE thing now so they can sell more
accounts with less
> hassle on their end... such a shame.
>
> Kurt
>
> Paul Khoury wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 08 Aug 2000 20:35:41 -0700, Kurt Nowak wrote:
> >
> > >Hello all,
> > >
> > >Im planning on getting DSL service installed in the near future, but Im
> > >still deciding on what service/ISP to chose. I dont need anyting fancy
> > >like SDSL...regular ADSL with a dynamic IP is ok.....Anyone have any
> > >advice and or preferences? Im especially concerned with the ease of
> > >implementing one of my Sparcs to run OpenBSD as a firewall/NAT to be
the
> > >internet gateway for my home lan. I notice many DSL services have it so
> > >the DSL modem is bound to the MAC address of the network card... Is
> > >there anything else i should be concerned with? Im looking at earthlink
> > >right now because the seem to have a good reputation and are one of the
> > >few providers in my area...anyone have any gripes with them?
> >
> > Yeah - you'll get lots of spam, you get the usual dynamic IP address,
and
> > you're supposed to use their pathetic WinPOET software.  Most of my
co-workers
> > at Earthlink don't even use their DSL, but rather other providers. =)
> > (Fortunately, I start a new job on Monday, so now I can really make fun
of Earthlink).
> >
> > Not sure about broadband, but I do know tech support in general is
24/7/365, which
> > is a big PLUS.
> >
> >  Id hate to
> > >buy into a contract and then find out that i wont be able to work my
> > >Sparcs into the picture!
> > >
> > Well, to put it this way, the most Earthlink would do is give you the
settings.
> > I'm willing to bet I'm one of the few or only people/person who knows
about Solaris
> > in tech support anyways... =(
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Thu Aug 10 21:16:09 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:16:09 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Best purchase of an older Sparc machine for home
Message-ID: <mailman.11581.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'd suggest a low-end SS5, if you can get one with reasonable RAM included -
it
seems to run about $2/meg, while other SPARC boxes are a bit cheaper. For
the
most flexible box, I'd suggest an SS10 with a pair of SM41s or SM51s. The
price
should be reasonable, and RAM goes for as low as $1/meg (16 Meg SS10 DIMMs
are about $15/each in my exp.)

If you have some real money to throw around, (like $500-700), a complete
Ultra 1/140
or better could probably be found without too much hassle. These use SS20
RAM, which
is pretty reasonably priced when compared to the Ultra5 and Ultra10 boxes...

If you can find one for *about* free, an IPX/LX would be a great box as
well, but do very
cautious how much money you sink into one of these - you can approach $200
easily, and
be at SS5/85 or better price range...

HTH,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "dfp10" <dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Cc: <dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:49 AM
Subject: [SunRescue] Best purchase of an older Sparc machine for home


> Hello,
> I would like a RISC Sun computer at home. Speed is not too important. What
is a
> good buy of a used machine?  Approximate price and source would be very
helpful.
> Thanks, Don
>
> ###############################################################
> Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
> NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
> dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Thu Aug 10 21:16:09 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 22:16:09 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Best purchase of an older Sparc machine for home
Message-ID: <mailman.11582.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'd suggest a low-end SS5, if you can get one with reasonable RAM included -
it
seems to run about $2/meg, while other SPARC boxes are a bit cheaper. For
the
most flexible box, I'd suggest an SS10 with a pair of SM41s or SM51s. The
price
should be reasonable, and RAM goes for as low as $1/meg (16 Meg SS10 DIMMs
are about $15/each in my exp.)

If you have some real money to throw around, (like $500-700), a complete
Ultra 1/140
or better could probably be found without too much hassle. These use SS20
RAM, which
is pretty reasonably priced when compared to the Ultra5 and Ultra10 boxes...

If you can find one for *about* free, an IPX/LX would be a great box as
well, but do very
cautious how much money you sink into one of these - you can approach $200
easily, and
be at SS5/85 or better price range...

HTH,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "dfp10" <dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Cc: <dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 8:49 AM
Subject: [SunRescue] Best purchase of an older Sparc machine for home


> Hello,
> I would like a RISC Sun computer at home. Speed is not too important. What
is a
> good buy of a used machine?  Approximate price and source would be very
helpful.
> Thanks, Don
>
> ###############################################################
> Donald F. Parsons MB.BS, Ph.D, Research Physician,Wadsworth Ctr
> NY State Dept of Health, ESP Box 509, Albany NY 12201-0509
> dfp10 at telemed.wadsworth.org (518)474-7047
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From twmaster at twmaster.com  Thu Aug 10 22:41:21 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:41:21 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] How do I send a "stop A" with a Sun AT101 keyboard?
Message-ID: <mailman.11583.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all,

I have a Sun AT101 keyboard and was trying to use it but cannot figure out
how to send a stop A.

TIA,

Mike N





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Thu Aug 10 22:41:21 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:41:21 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] How do I send a "stop A" with a Sun AT101 keyboard?
Message-ID: <mailman.11584.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all,

I have a Sun AT101 keyboard and was trying to use it but cannot figure out
how to send a stop A.

TIA,

Mike N





From pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Thu Aug 10 22:48:29 2000
From: pkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:48:29 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] How do I send a "stop A" with a Sun AT101
 keyboard?
Message-ID: <mailman.11585.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 11:41 PM 08/10/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a Sun AT101 keyboard and was trying to use it but cannot figure out
>how to send a stop A.

Have you tried Control-Break?






From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com  Thu Aug 10 22:48:29 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at ritchie.loop.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 20:48:29 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] How do I send a "stop A" with a Sun AT101
 keyboard?
Message-ID: <mailman.11586.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 11:41 PM 08/10/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a Sun AT101 keyboard and was trying to use it but cannot figure out
>how to send a stop A.

Have you tried Control-Break?






From nick at snowman.net  Thu Aug 10 22:51:07 2000
From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:51:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] How do I send a "stop A" with a Sun AT101 keyboard?
Message-ID: <mailman.11587.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Wouldn't swear to it, But i've seen F1-A work on several sun keyboard
emu's.
	Nick

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Mike Nicewonger wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a Sun AT101 keyboard and was trying to use it but cannot figure out
> how to send a stop A.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Mike N
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From nick at snowman.netnick  Thu Aug 10 22:51:07 2000
From: nick at snowman.netnick (nick at snowman.netnick)
Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 23:51:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] How do I send a "stop A" with a Sun AT101 keyboard?
Message-ID: <mailman.11588.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Wouldn't swear to it, But i've seen F1-A work on several sun keyboard
emu's.
	Nick

On Thu, 10 Aug 2000, Mike Nicewonger wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I have a Sun AT101 keyboard and was trying to use it but cannot figure out
> how to send a stop A.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Mike N
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From twmaster at twmaster.com  Fri Aug 11 00:26:17 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:26:17 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: to List members only SS-10's CPU, 32MB, 1GB, GX $175.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11589.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all,

In an effort to further clean out my warehouse in preparation to move, I
have a deal if anyone is interested. I have SS-10's Equipped as follows:

SS-10 base, some with some without floppy
SM-30 or SM-40 CPU
32 MB memory
1 GB HD
GX framebuffer

$175.00 Plus shipping (max ship is $25.00)

8 available

This price is for rescue list members in the USA only.

Cheers,

Mike N





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Fri Aug 11 00:26:17 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 01:26:17 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: to List members only SS-10's CPU, 32MB, 1GB, GX $175.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11590.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all,

In an effort to further clean out my warehouse in preparation to move, I
have a deal if anyone is interested. I have SS-10's Equipped as follows:

SS-10 base, some with some without floppy
SM-30 or SM-40 CPU
32 MB memory
1 GB HD
GX framebuffer

$175.00 Plus shipping (max ship is $25.00)

8 available

This price is for rescue list members in the USA only.

Cheers,

Mike N





From koyote at koyote.cx  Fri Aug 11 02:39:32 2000
From: koyote at koyote.cx (koyote)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:39:32 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11591.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


> make sure the CD drive is in scsi ID6 or check http://saturn.tlug.org/suncdfaq/
> for compatibility issues...

id 6, parity on, they mount fine from debian. One is a Sanyo CDR-h94smv
and the other is a plextor (which I'm told work 100%). (Perhaps there are
settings I'm missing?)

it is giving bad magic number.... is it possiblew that my archive isn't quite
right?
And how would I go about generating an archive on a non-solaris *nix box that
would work- if this is the problem. 

> > (specs, compuaddss1, 40 meg RAM, some lsilogic framebuffer, converted pc
> > floppy, 650meg drive with a seriously hosed 4.2 install, 540meg drive (not
> > conneted), 1 gig drive (not connected), various generic scsi cdroms, ehternet
> > transceiver, 19" monitor)
> >
 
> If you REALLY want to get solaris on there, Id swap out the 650MB drive for the
> 1Gig you have...or use both 540 and 650 drives in the pizza box and juggle the
> partions...40 megs might be ok..not sure. I tried with 16 megs many moons ago and
> the thing choked during the setup.

I've thought that, if the archive is okay, I could put it on a hard drive.
would a dd of the image be installable?



I know I'm full of wuestions, but- I'm also looking for 150 meg tapes......


Thanks again,
Christof




From koyotekoyote at koyote.cx  Fri Aug 11 02:39:32 2000
From: koyotekoyote at koyote.cx (koyotekoyote at koyote.cx)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 07:39:32 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11592.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>


> make sure the CD drive is in scsi ID6 or check http://saturn.tlug.org/suncdfaq/
> for compatibility issues...

id 6, parity on, they mount fine from debian. One is a Sanyo CDR-h94smv
and the other is a plextor (which I'm told work 100%). (Perhaps there are
settings I'm missing?)

it is giving bad magic number.... is it possiblew that my archive isn't quite
right?
And how would I go about generating an archive on a non-solaris *nix box that
would work- if this is the problem. 

> > (specs, compuaddss1, 40 meg RAM, some lsilogic framebuffer, converted pc
> > floppy, 650meg drive with a seriously hosed 4.2 install, 540meg drive (not
> > conneted), 1 gig drive (not connected), various generic scsi cdroms, ehternet
> > transceiver, 19" monitor)
> >
 
> If you REALLY want to get solaris on there, Id swap out the 650MB drive for the
> 1Gig you have...or use both 540 and 650 drives in the pizza box and juggle the
> partions...40 megs might be ok..not sure. I tried with 16 megs many moons ago and
> the thing choked during the setup.

I've thought that, if the archive is okay, I could put it on a hard drive.
would a dd of the image be installable?



I know I'm full of wuestions, but- I'm also looking for 150 meg tapes......


Thanks again,
Christof




From kurt at csh.rit.edu  Fri Aug 11 07:17:38 2000
From: kurt at csh.rit.edu (Kurt Mosiejczuk)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:17:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11593.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, koyote wrote:

> id 6, parity on, they mount fine from debian. One is a Sanyo CDR-h94smv
> and the other is a plextor (which I'm told work 100%). (Perhaps there are
> settings I'm missing?)

Mount and boot are really two different things.  Linux doesn't mind
2048-byte blocks, but the boot prom HATES it.

The Plextors work 100% IF they have the jumper set to 512-byte blocks.
They are really nice because most CD-ROMs are fixed at 2048-byte.
Some Toshibas have jumpers you cut to set them to 512-byte, which
is good, but not as nice as the plextors.

Hope this helps.

--Kurt





From KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu  Fri Aug 11 07:17:38 2000
From: KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu (KurtMosiejczukkurt at csh.rit.edu)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:17:38 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11594.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, koyote wrote:

> id 6, parity on, they mount fine from debian. One is a Sanyo CDR-h94smv
> and the other is a plextor (which I'm told work 100%). (Perhaps there are
> settings I'm missing?)

Mount and boot are really two different things.  Linux doesn't mind
2048-byte blocks, but the boot prom HATES it.

The Plextors work 100% IF they have the jumper set to 512-byte blocks.
They are really nice because most CD-ROMs are fixed at 2048-byte.
Some Toshibas have jumpers you cut to set them to 512-byte, which
is good, but not as nice as the plextors.

Hope this helps.

--Kurt





From mrbill at mrbill.net  Fri Aug 11 08:59:59 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:59:59 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] How do I send a "stop A" with a Sun AT101 keyboard?
Message-ID: <mailman.11595.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:41:21PM -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have a Sun AT101 keyboard and was trying to use it but cannot figure out
> how to send a stop A.
> TIA,
> Mike N

Control-Break.

Bill

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+-------------------\ /-----------------+
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+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net  Fri Aug 11 08:59:59 2000
From: BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net (BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:59:59 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] How do I send a "stop A" with a Sun AT101 keyboard?
Message-ID: <mailman.11596.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Thu, Aug 10, 2000 at 11:41:21PM -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have a Sun AT101 keyboard and was trying to use it but cannot figure out
> how to send a stop A.
> TIA,
> Mike N

Control-Break.

Bill

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+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Fri Aug 11 13:46:11 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:46:11 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11597.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey, found this link for SS20's thought folks here might find it =
interesting...

They are offering an SS20 w/256 Meg of RAM, no HD, no mention of CPU or =
framebuffer for $499.

    =
http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogID=3D136&=
Zoom=3DYes&SubFolderId=3D23

Other nice deals on SS5s, IMHO... SS5/110 w/256 Meg RAM, no HD, no =
mention of framebuffer, $429

    =
http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogID=3D134&=
Zoom=3DYes&SubFolderId=3D23


And finally, a Pentium Pro 200 Mhz system with 32 Meg RAM, SCSI CD (Sun =
bootable), a nice ADAPTEC SCSI adapter, reasonable video and network =
card (no HD) for $89

    =
http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateM.asp?CatalogID=3D169&=
Zoom=3DYes&SubFolderId=3D22


Also, SCSI-based P90 w/32 Meg RAM, no HD for $25 (great for low-cost =
routers!)

    =
http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateC.asp?CatalogID=3D124&=
Zoom=3DYes&SubFolderId=3D22

(I have been told that Disk trays for the Kingston disk slot on each of =
the above PCs are about $10/each)

Enjoy,

Ken

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey, found this link for SS20's thought =
folks here=20
might find it interesting...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They are offering an SS20 w/256 Meg of =
RAM, no HD,=20
no mention of CPU or framebuffer for $499.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogI=
D=3D136&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolderId=3D23">http://www.computerfriend.co=
m/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogID=3D136&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolder=
Id=3D23</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other nice deals on SS5s, IMHO... =
SS5/110 w/256 Meg=20
RAM, no HD, no mention of framebuffer, $429</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogI=
D=3D134&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolderId=3D23">http://www.computerfriend.co=
m/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogID=3D134&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolder=
Id=3D23</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And finally, a Pentium Pro 200 Mhz =
system with 32=20
Meg RAM, SCSI CD (Sun bootable), a nice ADAPTEC SCSI adapter, reasonable =
video=20
and network card (no HD) for $89</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateM.asp?CatalogI=
D=3D169&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolderId=3D22">http://www.computerfriend.co=
m/templates/frmTemplateM.asp?CatalogID=3D169&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolder=
Id=3D22</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, SCSI-based P90 w/32 Meg RAM, no =
HD for $25=20
(great for low-cost routers!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateC.asp?CatalogI=
D=3D124&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolderId=3D22">http://www.computerfriend.co=
m/templates/frmTemplateC.asp?CatalogID=3D124&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolder=
Id=3D22</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(I have been told that Disk trays for =
the Kingston=20
disk slot on each of the above PCs are about $10/each)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Enjoy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ken</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Fri Aug 11 13:46:11 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 14:46:11 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11598.1174460362.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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Hey, found this link for SS20's thought folks here might find it =
interesting...

They are offering an SS20 w/256 Meg of RAM, no HD, no mention of CPU or =
framebuffer for $499.

    =
http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogID=3D136&=
Zoom=3DYes&SubFolderId=3D23

Other nice deals on SS5s, IMHO... SS5/110 w/256 Meg RAM, no HD, no =
mention of framebuffer, $429

    =
http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogID=3D134&=
Zoom=3DYes&SubFolderId=3D23


And finally, a Pentium Pro 200 Mhz system with 32 Meg RAM, SCSI CD (Sun =
bootable), a nice ADAPTEC SCSI adapter, reasonable video and network =
card (no HD) for $89

    =
http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateM.asp?CatalogID=3D169&=
Zoom=3DYes&SubFolderId=3D22


Also, SCSI-based P90 w/32 Meg RAM, no HD for $25 (great for low-cost =
routers!)

    =
http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateC.asp?CatalogID=3D124&=
Zoom=3DYes&SubFolderId=3D22

(I have been told that Disk trays for the Kingston disk slot on each of =
the above PCs are about $10/each)

Enjoy,

Ken

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<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hey, found this link for SS20's thought =
folks here=20
might find it interesting...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>They are offering an SS20 w/256 Meg of =
RAM, no HD,=20
no mention of CPU or framebuffer for $499.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogI=
D=3D136&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolderId=3D23">http://www.computerfriend.co=
m/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogID=3D136&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolder=
Id=3D23</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Other nice deals on SS5s, IMHO... =
SS5/110 w/256 Meg=20
RAM, no HD, no mention of framebuffer, $429</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogI=
D=3D134&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolderId=3D23">http://www.computerfriend.co=
m/templates/frmTemplateE.asp?CatalogID=3D134&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolder=
Id=3D23</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And finally, a Pentium Pro 200 Mhz =
system with 32=20
Meg RAM, SCSI CD (Sun bootable), a nice ADAPTEC SCSI adapter, reasonable =
video=20
and network card (no HD) for $89</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateM.asp?CatalogI=
D=3D169&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolderId=3D22">http://www.computerfriend.co=
m/templates/frmTemplateM.asp?CatalogID=3D169&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolder=
Id=3D22</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, SCSI-based P90 w/32 Meg RAM, no =
HD for $25=20
(great for low-cost routers!)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.computerfriend.com/templates/frmTemplateC.asp?CatalogI=
D=3D124&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolderId=3D22">http://www.computerfriend.co=
m/templates/frmTemplateC.asp?CatalogID=3D124&amp;Zoom=3DYes&amp;SubFolder=
Id=3D22</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(I have been told that Disk trays for =
the Kingston=20
disk slot on each of the above PCs are about $10/each)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Enjoy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ken</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From mrbill at mrbill.net  Fri Aug 11 15:37:34 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:37:34 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11599.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:46:11PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote:
>Hey, found this link for SS20's thought folks here might find it interesting...

They've also got GDM20E20s for $129, and despite the warning on the page,
they *DO* work with PCs if you have the right cable/adapter (available from
Sun for $40...)  My SO has one on her PC at home right now. 8-)

Bill

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From BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net  Fri Aug 11 15:37:34 2000
From: BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net (BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 15:37:34 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11600.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:46:11PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote:
>Hey, found this link for SS20's thought folks here might find it interesting...

They've also got GDM20E20s for $129, and despite the warning on the page,
they *DO* work with PCs if you have the right cable/adapter (available from
Sun for $40...)  My SO has one on her PC at home right now. 8-)

Bill

-- 
+-------------------\ /-----------------+
| Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
| mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
| Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From nick at snowman.net  Fri Aug 11 15:47:25 2000
From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:47:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5
 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11601.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

That place has some real steals... I have had very good luck with
3C905*'s, and they've got 3C905C's for 25$, about half what they're
worth...  The great thing is that if you somehow manage to break one (i've
broken 2 out of about 700 i've installed) 3com just ships you a new one,
no questions asked.
	Nick

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:46:11PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote:
> >Hey, found this link for SS20's thought folks here might find it interesting...
> 
> They've also got GDM20E20s for $129, and despite the warning on the page,
> they *DO* work with PCs if you have the right cable/adapter (available from
> Sun for $40...)  My SO has one on her PC at home right now. 8-)
> 
> Bill
> 
> -- 
> +-------------------\ /-----------------+
> | Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
> | mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
> | Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
> +-------------------/ \-----------------+
> _______________________________________________
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> 





From nick at snowman.netnick  Fri Aug 11 15:47:25 2000
From: nick at snowman.netnick (nick at snowman.netnick)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:47:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5
 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11602.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

That place has some real steals... I have had very good luck with
3C905*'s, and they've got 3C905C's for 25$, about half what they're
worth...  The great thing is that if you somehow manage to break one (i've
broken 2 out of about 700 i've installed) 3com just ships you a new one,
no questions asked.
	Nick

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000, Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 02:46:11PM -0400, Ken Hansen wrote:
> >Hey, found this link for SS20's thought folks here might find it interesting...
> 
> They've also got GDM20E20s for $129, and despite the warning on the page,
> they *DO* work with PCs if you have the right cable/adapter (available from
> Sun for $40...)  My SO has one on her PC at home right now. 8-)
> 
> Bill
> 
> -- 
> +-------------------\ /-----------------+
> | Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
> | mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
> | Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
> +-------------------/ \-----------------+
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From scohen at acxiom.com  Fri Aug 11 16:47:48 2000
From: scohen at acxiom.com (scohen - Stephen Cohen)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:47:48 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5
 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11603.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I am currently using a GDM20E20 on my PC with the adaptor.  However, I got
the adaptor from Cables Unlimited, not Sun.  Though its been a while, I
think it was less than $40.  I recall running across the invoice recently
... if I can find it again, I'll provide the specifics.

By the way, Windows98 had neither a Sun nor a Sony driver specifically for
the 20E20.  Once home, I'll look up the selected driver and post here.

The monitor works great with the PCs 8Mb SiC graphics card (non-3d).  At
12x10, 24 bit color and 85Mhz, it barely sparkles!

Regards,
Steve

p.s.  The IPX from which the monitor came runs quite nicely without it.  I
just telnet in and X back to the PC.  

What are the commands needed to allow my PC to rexec into the IPX (the IPX
is running Linux kernel 2.2.16-3).  This way I won't have to first telnet to
it.  Exceed has a nice feature to automate this process, but the IPX won't
allow this kind of login.




From scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com  Fri Aug 11 16:47:48 2000
From: scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com (scohen-StephenCohenscohen at acxiom.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 16:47:48 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5
 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11604.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I am currently using a GDM20E20 on my PC with the adaptor.  However, I got
the adaptor from Cables Unlimited, not Sun.  Though its been a while, I
think it was less than $40.  I recall running across the invoice recently
... if I can find it again, I'll provide the specifics.

By the way, Windows98 had neither a Sun nor a Sony driver specifically for
the 20E20.  Once home, I'll look up the selected driver and post here.

The monitor works great with the PCs 8Mb SiC graphics card (non-3d).  At
12x10, 24 bit color and 85Mhz, it barely sparkles!

Regards,
Steve

p.s.  The IPX from which the monitor came runs quite nicely without it.  I
just telnet in and X back to the PC.  

What are the commands needed to allow my PC to rexec into the IPX (the IPX
is running Linux kernel 2.2.16-3).  This way I won't have to first telnet to
it.  Exceed has a nice feature to automate this process, but the IPX won't
allow this kind of login.




From martin at dsres.com  Fri Aug 11 17:34:14 2000
From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:34:14 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5 RAM for
 even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11605.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

scohen - Stephen Cohen wrote:

> What are the commands needed to allow my PC to rexec into the IPX (the IPX
> is running Linux kernel 2.2.16-3).  This way I won't have to first telnet
> to it.  Exceed has a nice feature to automate this process, but the IPX
> won't allow this kind of login.

You probably just need to edit /etc/inetd.conf on the IPX and uncomment
the line to run in.rshd or in.rexecd or similar. They're often turned
off for security reasons.

It may be that they are already running, in which case simply add the
PC's IP address to ~/.rhosts or /etc/hosts.equiv file on the IPX and
you should be allowed in.

If that doesn't work, tcpwrappers may be getting in the way. Either
disable it altogether (not recommended unless you're behind a firewall),
or add the line:

	ALL : <pc ip address>

to the /etc/hosts.allow file.

Other things to check: .rhosts files must be owned by the use in question,
and must not be group- or world-writeable. Most implementations will
reject the login if either of these security checks fails.

Hope this helps.

--m




From MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com  Fri Aug 11 17:34:14 2000
From: MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com (MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:34:14 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5 RAM for
 even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11606.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

scohen - Stephen Cohen wrote:

> What are the commands needed to allow my PC to rexec into the IPX (the IPX
> is running Linux kernel 2.2.16-3).  This way I won't have to first telnet
> to it.  Exceed has a nice feature to automate this process, but the IPX
> won't allow this kind of login.

You probably just need to edit /etc/inetd.conf on the IPX and uncomment
the line to run in.rshd or in.rexecd or similar. They're often turned
off for security reasons.

It may be that they are already running, in which case simply add the
PC's IP address to ~/.rhosts or /etc/hosts.equiv file on the IPX and
you should be allowed in.

If that doesn't work, tcpwrappers may be getting in the way. Either
disable it altogether (not recommended unless you're behind a firewall),
or add the line:

	ALL : <pc ip address>

to the /etc/hosts.allow file.

Other things to check: .rhosts files must be owned by the use in question,
and must not be group- or world-writeable. Most implementations will
reject the login if either of these security checks fails.

Hope this helps.

--m




From twmaster at twmaster.com  Fri Aug 11 17:37:17 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:37:17 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11607.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I use the adaptors from www.si87.com, they are $30.00 and work great.

I also stock this item.

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "scohen - Stephen Cohen" <scohen at acxiom.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5
RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)


> I am currently using a GDM20E20 on my PC with the adaptor.  However, I got
> the adaptor from Cables Unlimited, not Sun.  Though its been a while, I
> think it was less than $40.  I recall running across the invoice recently
> ... if I can find it again, I'll provide the specifics.
>
> By the way, Windows98 had neither a Sun nor a Sony driver specifically for
> the 20E20.  Once home, I'll look up the selected driver and post here.
>
> The monitor works great with the PCs 8Mb SiC graphics card (non-3d).  At
> 12x10, 24 bit color and 85Mhz, it barely sparkles!
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> p.s.  The IPX from which the monitor came runs quite nicely without it.  I
> just telnet in and X back to the PC.
>
> What are the commands needed to allow my PC to rexec into the IPX (the IPX
> is running Linux kernel 2.2.16-3).  This way I won't have to first telnet
to
> it.  Exceed has a nice feature to automate this process, but the IPX won't
> allow this kind of login.
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Fri Aug 11 17:37:17 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:37:17 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5 RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)
Message-ID: <mailman.11608.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I use the adaptors from www.si87.com, they are $30.00 and work great.

I also stock this item.

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "scohen - Stephen Cohen" <scohen at acxiom.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 5:47 PM
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] Look, SS20 RAM for $2/meg, plus a free SS20! SS5
RAM for even less... (also low-cost PCs)


> I am currently using a GDM20E20 on my PC with the adaptor.  However, I got
> the adaptor from Cables Unlimited, not Sun.  Though its been a while, I
> think it was less than $40.  I recall running across the invoice recently
> ... if I can find it again, I'll provide the specifics.
>
> By the way, Windows98 had neither a Sun nor a Sony driver specifically for
> the 20E20.  Once home, I'll look up the selected driver and post here.
>
> The monitor works great with the PCs 8Mb SiC graphics card (non-3d).  At
> 12x10, 24 bit color and 85Mhz, it barely sparkles!
>
> Regards,
> Steve
>
> p.s.  The IPX from which the monitor came runs quite nicely without it.  I
> just telnet in and X back to the PC.
>
> What are the commands needed to allow my PC to rexec into the IPX (the IPX
> is running Linux kernel 2.2.16-3).  This way I won't have to first telnet
to
> it.  Exceed has a nice feature to automate this process, but the IPX won't
> allow this kind of login.
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From reedc at cc.wwu.edu  Fri Aug 11 20:38:47 2000
From: reedc at cc.wwu.edu (Cyrus M. Reed)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:38:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case
Message-ID: <mailman.11609.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'm looking for a 411 drive case that I could put a CD-ROM drive in.  I
recently won a Sun CD-ROM on e-bay, but it didn't come with an external 
case. If anybody has a spare that they would be willing to part with
please let me know.  Also, it seems my newly acquired CD-ROM drive came
with a "free" copy of Solaris 2.4.  Is there an easy way I can use this to
set up the SunOS compatibility feature of OpenBSD?  I noticed that there
is an export directory that seems to have all the directories that I need,
but not ever having dealt with Solaris that much I'm not sure if anything
special happens when these files get installed that would keep me from
just copying directly from the CD to the appropriate directories in my
OpenBSD installation.

Thanks,
Cyrus





From CyrusM.Reedreedc at cc.wwu.edu  Fri Aug 11 20:38:47 2000
From: CyrusM.Reedreedc at cc.wwu.edu (CyrusM.Reedreedc at cc.wwu.edu)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:38:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case
Message-ID: <mailman.11610.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'm looking for a 411 drive case that I could put a CD-ROM drive in.  I
recently won a Sun CD-ROM on e-bay, but it didn't come with an external 
case. If anybody has a spare that they would be willing to part with
please let me know.  Also, it seems my newly acquired CD-ROM drive came
with a "free" copy of Solaris 2.4.  Is there an easy way I can use this to
set up the SunOS compatibility feature of OpenBSD?  I noticed that there
is an export directory that seems to have all the directories that I need,
but not ever having dealt with Solaris that much I'm not sure if anything
special happens when these files get installed that would keep me from
just copying directly from the CD to the appropriate directories in my
OpenBSD installation.

Thanks,
Cyrus





From pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com  Fri Aug 11 20:47:25 2000
From: pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:47:25 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case
Message-ID: <mailman.11611.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 06:38 PM 08/11/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm looking for a 411 drive case that I could put a CD-ROM drive in.

If you get this in time, here's one cheap on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=403096270

Paul





From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com  Fri Aug 11 20:47:25 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 18:47:25 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case
Message-ID: <mailman.11612.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 06:38 PM 08/11/2000 -0700, you wrote:
>I'm looking for a 411 drive case that I could put a CD-ROM drive in.

If you get this in time, here's one cheap on eBay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=403096270

Paul





From twmaster at twmaster.com  Fri Aug 11 21:35:58 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:35:58 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case
Message-ID: <mailman.11613.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I have these for $35.00 shipped.

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cyrus M. Reed" <reedc at cc.wwu.edu>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:38 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case


> I'm looking for a 411 drive case that I could put a CD-ROM drive in.  I
> recently won a Sun CD-ROM on e-bay, but it didn't come with an external
> case. If anybody has a spare that they would be willing to part with
> please let me know.  Also, it seems my newly acquired CD-ROM drive came
> with a "free" copy of Solaris 2.4.  Is there an easy way I can use this to
> set up the SunOS compatibility feature of OpenBSD?  I noticed that there
> is an export directory that seems to have all the directories that I need,
> but not ever having dealt with Solaris that much I'm not sure if anything
> special happens when these files get installed that would keep me from
> just copying directly from the CD to the appropriate directories in my
> OpenBSD installation.
>
> Thanks,
> Cyrus
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Fri Aug 11 21:35:58 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:35:58 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case
Message-ID: <mailman.11614.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I have these for $35.00 shipped.

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cyrus M. Reed" <reedc at cc.wwu.edu>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 9:38 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case


> I'm looking for a 411 drive case that I could put a CD-ROM drive in.  I
> recently won a Sun CD-ROM on e-bay, but it didn't come with an external
> case. If anybody has a spare that they would be willing to part with
> please let me know.  Also, it seems my newly acquired CD-ROM drive came
> with a "free" copy of Solaris 2.4.  Is there an easy way I can use this to
> set up the SunOS compatibility feature of OpenBSD?  I noticed that there
> is an export directory that seems to have all the directories that I need,
> but not ever having dealt with Solaris that much I'm not sure if anything
> special happens when these files get installed that would keep me from
> just copying directly from the CD to the appropriate directories in my
> OpenBSD installation.
>
> Thanks,
> Cyrus
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com  Fri Aug 11 21:39:45 2000
From: pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:39:45 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Cheap SS4/5/10's?
Message-ID: <mailman.11615.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I got a nice paycheck (since it's my last day tomorrow), and am thinking
of finally upgrading one of my SPARCs.
Any CONs of using a SS4?  I plan on using ONLY external HD's.  Also,
is memory standard, or proprietary?  I'd prefer an SS10, but I'd like to stay
below $150 if possible, for something with 64MB of RAM, and
NO hard drives (already got 5.2GB).

Also, do I just need to reinstall Solaris, and keep existing settings,
since I'd be going from Sun4c to Sun4m?

Thanks,

Paul





From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com  Fri Aug 11 21:39:45 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:39:45 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Cheap SS4/5/10's?
Message-ID: <mailman.11616.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I got a nice paycheck (since it's my last day tomorrow), and am thinking
of finally upgrading one of my SPARCs.
Any CONs of using a SS4?  I plan on using ONLY external HD's.  Also,
is memory standard, or proprietary?  I'd prefer an SS10, but I'd like to stay
below $150 if possible, for something with 64MB of RAM, and
NO hard drives (already got 5.2GB).

Also, do I just need to reinstall Solaris, and keep existing settings,
since I'd be going from Sun4c to Sun4m?

Thanks,

Paul





From pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com  Fri Aug 11 22:49:00 2000
From: pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:49:00 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Contest suggestion
Message-ID: <mailman.11617.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Had a suggestion - any chance we can create a Sunhelp.org RC5 team
on distributed.net?  I'm part of the OS/2 team, but like the OS,
the team mailing list and website seems to be dead also.

Paul





From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com  Fri Aug 11 22:49:00 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 20:49:00 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Contest suggestion
Message-ID: <mailman.11618.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Had a suggestion - any chance we can create a Sunhelp.org RC5 team
on distributed.net?  I'm part of the OS/2 team, but like the OS,
the team mailing list and website seems to be dead also.

Paul





From mrbill at mrbill.net  Fri Aug 11 22:56:49 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:56:49 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Contest suggestion
Message-ID: <mailman.11619.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 08:49:00PM -0700, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:
> Had a suggestion - any chance we can create a Sunhelp.org RC5 team
> on distributed.net?  I'm part of the OS/2 team, but like the OS,
> the team mailing list and website seems to be dead also.
> Paul

I had this seetup once upon a time.. I'll recreate it.

The sunhelp team should still exist..

Bill

-- 
+-------------------\ /-----------------+
| Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
| mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
| Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net  Fri Aug 11 22:56:49 2000
From: BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net (BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 22:56:49 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Contest suggestion
Message-ID: <mailman.11620.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 08:49:00PM -0700, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:
> Had a suggestion - any chance we can create a Sunhelp.org RC5 team
> on distributed.net?  I'm part of the OS/2 team, but like the OS,
> the team mailing list and website seems to be dead also.
> Paul

I had this seetup once upon a time.. I'll recreate it.

The sunhelp team should still exist..

Bill

-- 
+-------------------\ /-----------------+
| Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
| mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
| Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From twmaster at twmaster.com  Fri Aug 11 22:59:37 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:59:37 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each
Message-ID: <mailman.11621.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all,

In the yet continuing effort to clean out in preparation to move I am
clearing out a mountain of SS-2's All are guaranteed to come up to an OBP.
Some may have bad NVRAM. All will include a drive sled and cables, may not
have floppy. (most do).  I have around 30 of these.

$25.00 Ea. Plus shipping.

Mike N





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Fri Aug 11 22:59:37 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 23:59:37 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each
Message-ID: <mailman.11622.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all,

In the yet continuing effort to clean out in preparation to move I am
clearing out a mountain of SS-2's All are guaranteed to come up to an OBP.
Some may have bad NVRAM. All will include a drive sled and cables, may not
have floppy. (most do).  I have around 30 of these.

$25.00 Ea. Plus shipping.

Mike N





From pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com  Fri Aug 11 23:11:29 2000
From: pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com (Paul Khoury - Tech Support)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:11:29 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Contest suggestion
Message-ID: <mailman.11623.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 10:56 PM 08/11/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 08:49:00PM -0700, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:
>> Had a suggestion - any chance we can create a Sunhelp.org RC5 team
>> on distributed.net?  I'm part of the OS/2 team, but like the OS,
>> the team mailing list and website seems to be dead also.
>> Paul
>
>I had this seetup once upon a time.. I'll recreate it.
>
>The sunhelp team should still exist..

Hmmm...
If we could get high keyrates, count me in...
I was even using work computers until I got busted LOL






From PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com  Fri Aug 11 23:11:29 2000
From: PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com (PaulKhoury-TechSupportpkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:11:29 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Contest suggestion
Message-ID: <mailman.11624.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

At 10:56 PM 08/11/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>On Fri, Aug 11, 2000 at 08:49:00PM -0700, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:
>> Had a suggestion - any chance we can create a Sunhelp.org RC5 team
>> on distributed.net?  I'm part of the OS/2 team, but like the OS,
>> the team mailing list and website seems to be dead also.
>> Paul
>
>I had this seetup once upon a time.. I'll recreate it.
>
>The sunhelp team should still exist..

Hmmm...
If we could get high keyrates, count me in...
I was even using work computers until I got busted LOL






From koyote at koyote.cx  Sat Aug 12 02:01:34 2000
From: koyote at koyote.cx (koyote)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:01:34 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11625.1174460363.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> The Plextors work 100% IF they have the jumper set to 512-byte blocks.
> They are really nice because most CD-ROMs are fixed at 2048-byte.
> Some Toshibas have jumpers you cut to set them to 512-byte, which
> is good, but not as nice as the plextors.

doh. I see the block jumper now.
Thanks,
Christof




From koyotekoyote at koyote.cx  Sat Aug 12 02:01:34 2000
From: koyotekoyote at koyote.cx (koyotekoyote at koyote.cx)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 07:01:34 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] compuadd ss1
Message-ID: <mailman.11626.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> The Plextors work 100% IF they have the jumper set to 512-byte blocks.
> They are really nice because most CD-ROMs are fixed at 2048-byte.
> Some Toshibas have jumpers you cut to set them to 512-byte, which
> is good, but not as nice as the plextors.

doh. I see the block jumper now.
Thanks,
Christof




From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Sat Aug 12 10:24:55 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:24:55 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Cheap SS4/5/10's?
Message-ID: <mailman.11627.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Take a look at www.computerfriend.com for some interesting deals
on SS5/SS10/SS20.

I think you could get a reasonable SS5 for $150 with some RAM.

The cheapest RAM is for an SS10 @ $1/meg. SS4/5, SS20 is about
$2/meg.

SS10 is very expandable, but realize that any money spent on a system
of this level ($150) is money you will never get out the system later when
you try and sell it.

HTH,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Khoury - Tech Support" <pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>; <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 10:39 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] Cheap SS4/5/10's?


> I got a nice paycheck (since it's my last day tomorrow), and am thinking
> of finally upgrading one of my SPARCs.
> Any CONs of using a SS4?  I plan on using ONLY external HD's.  Also,
> is memory standard, or proprietary?  I'd prefer an SS10, but I'd like to
stay
> below $150 if possible, for something with 64MB of RAM, and
> NO hard drives (already got 5.2GB).






From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Sat Aug 12 10:24:55 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 11:24:55 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Cheap SS4/5/10's?
Message-ID: <mailman.11628.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Take a look at www.computerfriend.com for some interesting deals
on SS5/SS10/SS20.

I think you could get a reasonable SS5 for $150 with some RAM.

The cheapest RAM is for an SS10 @ $1/meg. SS4/5, SS20 is about
$2/meg.

SS10 is very expandable, but realize that any money spent on a system
of this level ($150) is money you will never get out the system later when
you try and sell it.

HTH,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Khoury - Tech Support" <pkhoury2 at stevie.loop.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>; <sunhelp at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 10:39 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] Cheap SS4/5/10's?


> I got a nice paycheck (since it's my last day tomorrow), and am thinking
> of finally upgrading one of my SPARCs.
> Any CONs of using a SS4?  I plan on using ONLY external HD's.  Also,
> is memory standard, or proprietary?  I'd prefer an SS10, but I'd like to
stay
> below $150 if possible, for something with 64MB of RAM, and
> NO hard drives (already got 5.2GB).






From koyote at koyote.cx  Sat Aug 12 10:25:12 2000
From: koyote at koyote.cx (koyote)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:25:12 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] Re:  compuadd ss1 (update)
Message-ID: <mailman.11629.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

It's up and running 2.6 and I'm installing the customized solaris dist my sit
euses on another drive as I type this.

The block jumper did the trick- and now:

Any sources for cheap 4 meg sticks so i can bring my 40meg ram to 64?

Any sources for tapes for my fun 150meg drive?

and, last: sources for reasonably priced enclosures that will hold a couple
3.5" tall scsi drives?


-Thanks,

Christof




From koyotekoyote at koyote.cx  Sat Aug 12 10:25:12 2000
From: koyotekoyote at koyote.cx (koyotekoyote at koyote.cx)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:25:12 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] Re:  compuadd ss1 (update)
Message-ID: <mailman.11630.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

It's up and running 2.6 and I'm installing the customized solaris dist my sit
euses on another drive as I type this.

The block jumper did the trick- and now:

Any sources for cheap 4 meg sticks so i can bring my 40meg ram to 64?

Any sources for tapes for my fun 150meg drive?

and, last: sources for reasonably priced enclosures that will hold a couple
3.5" tall scsi drives?


-Thanks,

Christof




From koyote at koyote.cx  Sat Aug 12 10:28:33 2000
From: koyote at koyote.cx (koyote)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:28:33 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: to List members only SS-10's CPU, 32MB, 1GB, GX $175.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11631.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Mike, I am interested in both ss-10 and ss-2 stuff, but I won't be getting paid
for my new job until the 25th. Think anything will hang around that long?

(What I want is to be able to put together a decent server for diskless client
(the ss1 would end up being diskless) and have a stable workstation for work
stuff (ss 5, 10, 20 or some such)

	This implies me getting another monitor, assorted cards and such, and
ram.....


Thanks,

-Christof




From koyotekoyote at koyote.cx  Sat Aug 12 10:28:33 2000
From: koyotekoyote at koyote.cx (koyotekoyote at koyote.cx)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 15:28:33 +0000
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: to List members only SS-10's CPU, 32MB, 1GB, GX $175.00
Message-ID: <mailman.11632.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Mike, I am interested in both ss-10 and ss-2 stuff, but I won't be getting paid
for my new job until the 25th. Think anything will hang around that long?

(What I want is to be able to put together a decent server for diskless client
(the ss1 would end up being diskless) and have a stable workstation for work
stuff (ss 5, 10, 20 or some such)

	This implies me getting another monitor, assorted cards and such, and
ram.....


Thanks,

-Christof




From dbarile at interserv.com  Sat Aug 12 11:31:24 2000
From: dbarile at interserv.com (Darryl Barile)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:31:24 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each
Message-ID: <mailman.11633.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Mike:

Will these have RAM in them??

Thanks
Darryl

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Nicewonger <twmaster at twmaster.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:59 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each


> Hi all,
>
> In the yet continuing effort to clean out in preparation to move I am
> clearing out a mountain of SS-2's All are guaranteed to come up to an OBP.
> Some may have bad NVRAM. All will include a drive sled and cables, may not
> have floppy. (most do).  I have around 30 of these.
>
> $25.00 Ea. Plus shipping.
>
> Mike N
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From DarrylBariledbarile at interserv.com  Sat Aug 12 11:31:24 2000
From: DarrylBariledbarile at interserv.com (DarrylBariledbarile at interserv.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 12:31:24 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each
Message-ID: <mailman.11634.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Mike:

Will these have RAM in them??

Thanks
Darryl

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Nicewonger <twmaster at twmaster.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:59 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each


> Hi all,
>
> In the yet continuing effort to clean out in preparation to move I am
> clearing out a mountain of SS-2's All are guaranteed to come up to an OBP.
> Some may have bad NVRAM. All will include a drive sled and cables, may not
> have floppy. (most do).  I have around 30 of these.
>
> $25.00 Ea. Plus shipping.
>
> Mike N
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From billj at calweb.com  Sat Aug 12 12:08:02 2000
From: billj at calweb.com (William Janssen)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:08:02 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case
Message-ID: <mailman.11635.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Cyrus

I have three 411 cases with CD drives and two with 150 Meg tape drives.

Don't know what it costs to ship from Sacramento Calif.

Need shipping costs and What am I offered. I had to buy these things
to keep them out of the scrap yard.

Bill K7NOM

"Cyrus M. Reed" wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a 411 drive case that I could put a CD-ROM drive in.  I
> recently won a Sun CD-ROM on e-bay, but it didn't come with an external
> case. If anybody has a spare that they would be willing to part with
> please let me know.  Also, it seems my newly acquired CD-ROM drive came
> with a "free" copy of Solaris 2.4.  Is there an easy way I can use this to
> set up the SunOS compatibility feature of OpenBSD?  I noticed that there
> is an export directory that seems to have all the directories that I need,
> but not ever having dealt with Solaris that much I'm not sure if anything
> special happens when these files get installed that would keep me from
> just copying directly from the CD to the appropriate directories in my
> OpenBSD installation.
> 
> Thanks,
> Cyrus
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From WilliamJanssenbillj at calweb.com  Sat Aug 12 12:08:02 2000
From: WilliamJanssenbillj at calweb.com (WilliamJanssenbillj at calweb.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 10:08:02 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Spare 411 drive case
Message-ID: <mailman.11636.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Cyrus

I have three 411 cases with CD drives and two with 150 Meg tape drives.

Don't know what it costs to ship from Sacramento Calif.

Need shipping costs and What am I offered. I had to buy these things
to keep them out of the scrap yard.

Bill K7NOM

"Cyrus M. Reed" wrote:
> 
> I'm looking for a 411 drive case that I could put a CD-ROM drive in.  I
> recently won a Sun CD-ROM on e-bay, but it didn't come with an external
> case. If anybody has a spare that they would be willing to part with
> please let me know.  Also, it seems my newly acquired CD-ROM drive came
> with a "free" copy of Solaris 2.4.  Is there an easy way I can use this to
> set up the SunOS compatibility feature of OpenBSD?  I noticed that there
> is an export directory that seems to have all the directories that I need,
> but not ever having dealt with Solaris that much I'm not sure if anything
> special happens when these files get installed that would keep me from
> just copying directly from the CD to the appropriate directories in my
> OpenBSD installation.
> 
> Thanks,
> Cyrus
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue




From twmaster at twmaster.com  Sat Aug 12 12:52:06 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:52:06 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each
Message-ID: <mailman.11637.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Base systems as described. No memory.

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Barile" <dbarile at interserv.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each


> Mike:
>
> Will these have RAM in them??
>
> Thanks
> Darryl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Nicewonger <twmaster at twmaster.com>
> To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:59 PM
> Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In the yet continuing effort to clean out in preparation to move I am
> > clearing out a mountain of SS-2's All are guaranteed to come up to an
OBP.
> > Some may have bad NVRAM. All will include a drive sled and cables, may
not
> > have floppy. (most do).  I have around 30 of these.
> >
> > $25.00 Ea. Plus shipping.
> >
> > Mike N
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Sat Aug 12 12:52:06 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 13:52:06 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each
Message-ID: <mailman.11638.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Base systems as described. No memory.

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Darryl Barile" <dbarile at interserv.com>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each


> Mike:
>
> Will these have RAM in them??
>
> Thanks
> Darryl
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Nicewonger <twmaster at twmaster.com>
> To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 11:59 PM
> Subject: [SunRescue] FS: Cleaning out, SS-2 bases $25.00 Each
>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > In the yet continuing effort to clean out in preparation to move I am
> > clearing out a mountain of SS-2's All are guaranteed to come up to an
OBP.
> > Some may have bad NVRAM. All will include a drive sled and cables, may
not
> > have floppy. (most do).  I have around 30 of these.
> >
> > $25.00 Ea. Plus shipping.
> >
> > Mike N
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From sun at minor-element.net  Sat Aug 12 18:45:33 2000
From: sun at minor-element.net (Martin Wedel -SR)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:45:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SunRescue] When IDE != IDE
Message-ID: <mailman.11639.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all, 
    Just to clarify something, in the Ultra5/10 series, do the IDE devices
include special firmware code, or are they just standard off the shelf
goodies that have been rebadged?

Thanks!

--
Martin Wedel
sun at minor-element.net
http://www.minor-element.net/





From MartinWedel-SRsun at minor-element.net  Sat Aug 12 18:45:33 2000
From: MartinWedel-SRsun at minor-element.net (MartinWedel-SRsun at minor-element.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 23:45:33 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SunRescue] When IDE != IDE
Message-ID: <mailman.11640.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi all, 
    Just to clarify something, in the Ultra5/10 series, do the IDE devices
include special firmware code, or are they just standard off the shelf
goodies that have been rebadged?

Thanks!

--
Martin Wedel
sun at minor-element.net
http://www.minor-element.net/





From mrbill at mrbill.net  Sat Aug 12 22:06:37 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:06:37 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] When IDE != IDE
Message-ID: <mailman.11641.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 11:45:33PM +0000, Martin Wedel -SR wrote:
> Hi all, 
>     Just to clarify something, in the Ultra5/10 series, do the IDE devices
> include special firmware code, or are they just standard off the shelf
> goodies that have been rebadged?
> Thanks!

When I built my Ultra 5 from a barebones box almost a year ago, I just
put in a standard Seagate 8.4gig IDE HD and a Toshiba 40x CD-ROM and
they worked fine (keep in mind that each device has its own separate 
IDE channel, and slave IDE devices - like having two HDs on the first
IDE controller - is unsupported by Sun, but people have reported success
doing it).

I beleive on older U5/U10s, you have to have the OpenBoot ROM firmware
upgrade (available as a "patch" from sun to re-flash your ROM) to use
/ recognize disks greater than 8.4gig.  I have no idea if anyone has
successfully used one of the newer huge IDE drives (17gig+) on a
U5/U10.

Bill

--
+-------------------\ /-----------------+
| Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
| mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
| Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net  Sat Aug 12 22:06:37 2000
From: BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net (BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2000 22:06:37 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] When IDE != IDE
Message-ID: <mailman.11642.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 11:45:33PM +0000, Martin Wedel -SR wrote:
> Hi all, 
>     Just to clarify something, in the Ultra5/10 series, do the IDE devices
> include special firmware code, or are they just standard off the shelf
> goodies that have been rebadged?
> Thanks!

When I built my Ultra 5 from a barebones box almost a year ago, I just
put in a standard Seagate 8.4gig IDE HD and a Toshiba 40x CD-ROM and
they worked fine (keep in mind that each device has its own separate 
IDE channel, and slave IDE devices - like having two HDs on the first
IDE controller - is unsupported by Sun, but people have reported success
doing it).

I beleive on older U5/U10s, you have to have the OpenBoot ROM firmware
upgrade (available as a "patch" from sun to re-flash your ROM) to use
/ recognize disks greater than 8.4gig.  I have no idea if anyone has
successfully used one of the newer huge IDE drives (17gig+) on a
U5/U10.

Bill

--
+-------------------\ /-----------------+
| Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
| mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
| Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From rr at rits.com.au  Sat Aug 12 22:16:38 2000
From: rr at rits.com.au (RR)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:16:38 +1000
Subject: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks
Message-ID: <mailman.11643.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi,

I'm looking for 2-5 Compaq SCSI disks each of 2-9Gb to use with a Compaq
Smart2/P RAID controller.  Disks don't have to be brand-new or hot-plug,
but need to be the same size & speed.  I know egghead.com regularly
sells Compaq disks, but they don't ship internationally :)

Back on topic:

Anyone interested some Sparc5/110 or Sparc5/170 motherboards and 24 bit
framebuffers (probably leo or tcx)?  I am trying to get hold of some
surplus Sparc5 bases locally, but most have no memory or disk.  Most of
the local buyers only want whole systems, so if I get the lot, I'll need
to part-out quite a few to obtain disks and RAM for the others.

cheers,

Rob




From RRrr at rits.com.au  Sat Aug 12 22:16:38 2000
From: RRrr at rits.com.au (RRrr at rits.com.au)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 13:16:38 +1000
Subject: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks
Message-ID: <mailman.11644.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi,

I'm looking for 2-5 Compaq SCSI disks each of 2-9Gb to use with a Compaq
Smart2/P RAID controller.  Disks don't have to be brand-new or hot-plug,
but need to be the same size & speed.  I know egghead.com regularly
sells Compaq disks, but they don't ship internationally :)

Back on topic:

Anyone interested some Sparc5/110 or Sparc5/170 motherboards and 24 bit
framebuffers (probably leo or tcx)?  I am trying to get hold of some
surplus Sparc5 bases locally, but most have no memory or disk.  Most of
the local buyers only want whole systems, so if I get the lot, I'll need
to part-out quite a few to obtain disks and RAM for the others.

cheers,

Rob




From mdeen at xs4all.nl  Sun Aug 13 09:53:22 2000
From: mdeen at xs4all.nl (Maarten Deen)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:53:22 +0200
Subject: Sparc 5 motherboard (was: Re: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks)
Message-ID: <mailman.11645.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi Rob,

> Anyone interested some Sparc5/110 or Sparc5/170 motherboards and 24 bit
> framebuffers (probably leo or tcx)?  I am trying to get hold of some
> surplus Sparc5 bases locally, but most have no memory or disk.  Most of
> the local buyers only want whole systems, so if I get the lot, I'll need
> to part-out quite a few to obtain disks and RAM for the others.

I'd be interested in a 5/170 motherboard. If you get hold of one, feel free to 
mail me your price.

Cheers,

Maarten
--
Maarten Deen                                           +31 (0)77 3076879
mdeen at xs4all.nl                              http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen




From MaartenDeenmdeen at xs4all.nl  Sun Aug 13 09:53:22 2000
From: MaartenDeenmdeen at xs4all.nl (MaartenDeenmdeen at xs4all.nl)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:53:22 +0200
Subject: Sparc 5 motherboard (was: Re: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks)
Message-ID: <mailman.11646.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hi Rob,

> Anyone interested some Sparc5/110 or Sparc5/170 motherboards and 24 bit
> framebuffers (probably leo or tcx)?  I am trying to get hold of some
> surplus Sparc5 bases locally, but most have no memory or disk.  Most of
> the local buyers only want whole systems, so if I get the lot, I'll need
> to part-out quite a few to obtain disks and RAM for the others.

I'd be interested in a 5/170 motherboard. If you get hold of one, feel free to 
mail me your price.

Cheers,

Maarten
--
Maarten Deen                                           +31 (0)77 3076879
mdeen at xs4all.nl                              http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen




From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Sun Aug 13 10:47:19 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:47:19 -0400
Subject: Sparc 5 motherboard (was: Re: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks)
Message-ID: <mailman.11647.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'm very interested in an SS5/170 MB as well - please provide a price either
publicly or privately.

Thanks,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maarten Deen" <mdeen at xs4all.nl>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 10:53 AM
Subject: Sparc 5 motherboard (was: Re: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks)


> Hi Rob,
>
> > Anyone interested some Sparc5/110 or Sparc5/170 motherboards and 24 bit
> > framebuffers (probably leo or tcx)?  I am trying to get hold of some
> > surplus Sparc5 bases locally, but most have no memory or disk.  Most of
> > the local buyers only want whole systems, so if I get the lot, I'll need
> > to part-out quite a few to obtain disks and RAM for the others.
>
> I'd be interested in a 5/170 motherboard. If you get hold of one, feel
free to
> mail me your price.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Maarten
> --
> Maarten Deen                                           +31 (0)77 3076879
> mdeen at xs4all.nl                              http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Sun Aug 13 10:47:19 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:47:19 -0400
Subject: Sparc 5 motherboard (was: Re: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks)
Message-ID: <mailman.11648.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I'm very interested in an SS5/170 MB as well - please provide a price either
publicly or privately.

Thanks,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maarten Deen" <mdeen at xs4all.nl>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 10:53 AM
Subject: Sparc 5 motherboard (was: Re: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks)


> Hi Rob,
>
> > Anyone interested some Sparc5/110 or Sparc5/170 motherboards and 24 bit
> > framebuffers (probably leo or tcx)?  I am trying to get hold of some
> > surplus Sparc5 bases locally, but most have no memory or disk.  Most of
> > the local buyers only want whole systems, so if I get the lot, I'll need
> > to part-out quite a few to obtain disks and RAM for the others.
>
> I'd be interested in a 5/170 motherboard. If you get hold of one, feel
free to
> mail me your price.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Maarten
> --
> Maarten Deen                                           +31 (0)77 3076879
> mdeen at xs4all.nl                              http://www.xs4all.nl/~mdeen
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Sun Aug 13 10:51:52 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:51:52 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks
Message-ID: <mailman.11649.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Try the following link:

    http://www.hitechcafe.com

Specifically:

    http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=199882%2D001

And As mentioned in my previous post, I'd be interested in an SS5/170 MB.
Please
provide a price at earliest convienience.

Thanks,

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "RR" <rr at rits.com.au>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:16 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks


> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for 2-5 Compaq SCSI disks each of 2-9Gb to use with a Compaq
> Smart2/P RAID controller.  Disks don't have to be brand-new or hot-plug,
> but need to be the same size & speed.  I know egghead.com regularly
> sells Compaq disks, but they don't ship internationally :)
>
> Back on topic:
>
> Anyone interested some Sparc5/110 or Sparc5/170 motherboards and 24 bit
> framebuffers (probably leo or tcx)?  I am trying to get hold of some
> surplus Sparc5 bases locally, but most have no memory or disk.  Most of
> the local buyers only want whole systems, so if I get the lot, I'll need
> to part-out quite a few to obtain disks and RAM for the others.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Sun Aug 13 10:51:52 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 11:51:52 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks
Message-ID: <mailman.11650.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Try the following link:

    http://www.hitechcafe.com

Specifically:

    http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=7&sku=199882%2D001

And As mentioned in my previous post, I'd be interested in an SS5/170 MB.
Please
provide a price at earliest convienience.

Thanks,

Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "RR" <rr at rits.com.au>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 11:16 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] OT: Compaq Disks


> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for 2-5 Compaq SCSI disks each of 2-9Gb to use with a Compaq
> Smart2/P RAID controller.  Disks don't have to be brand-new or hot-plug,
> but need to be the same size & speed.  I know egghead.com regularly
> sells Compaq disks, but they don't ship internationally :)
>
> Back on topic:
>
> Anyone interested some Sparc5/110 or Sparc5/170 motherboards and 24 bit
> framebuffers (probably leo or tcx)?  I am trying to get hold of some
> surplus Sparc5 bases locally, but most have no memory or disk.  Most of
> the local buyers only want whole systems, so if I get the lot, I'll need
> to part-out quite a few to obtain disks and RAM for the others.
>
> cheers,
>
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From S.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk  Sun Aug 13 15:31:51 2000
From: S.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk (Steve Doyle)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:31:51 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11651.1174460364.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

The new (to me anyway) sparc20 arrived the other day - put the disks 
from the old one into it and fire the machine up. No joy.

All I get is an error mesasage saying :

panic - boot: no interrupt-enable node?
Program Terminated
ok 

It boots fine off the cdrom though. Anyone have any ideas whats going
on with this ?

S.

-- 
:  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
:                                                                        :
: Microsoft asks you where you want to go - UNIX gets you there.         :
:                                                                        :





From SteveDoyleS.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk  Sun Aug 13 15:31:51 2000
From: SteveDoyleS.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk (SteveDoyleS.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 21:31:51 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11652.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

The new (to me anyway) sparc20 arrived the other day - put the disks 
from the old one into it and fire the machine up. No joy.

All I get is an error mesasage saying :

panic - boot: no interrupt-enable node?
Program Terminated
ok 

It boots fine off the cdrom though. Anyone have any ideas whats going
on with this ?

S.

-- 
:  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
:                                                                        :
: Microsoft asks you where you want to go - UNIX gets you there.         :
:                                                                        :





From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Sun Aug 13 15:58:44 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:58:44 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11653.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Thinking out-loud, hope this helps:

1) SS20s use SCA drives, right? Are the drives in the right SCSI-ID
addresses?

2) probe-scsi - are the drives there?

3) Are these drives of unusual size (DOUS)? Might there be a problem with
the
   capacity of the drives and your OpenBoot PROM? (Just a thought, don't
even
   know if there is a size limit)?

4) If you pur the drives back in your previous system, will they boot there?
Is the
   previous system another SS20?

5) Do you have a spare drive you could try installing off of? The SCSI
controller
   may be failing (longshot).

HTH,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Doyle" <S.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 4:31 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes


>
> The new (to me anyway) sparc20 arrived the other day - put the disks
> from the old one into it and fire the machine up. No joy.
>
> All I get is an error mesasage saying :
>
> panic - boot: no interrupt-enable node?
> Program Terminated
> ok
>
> It boots fine off the cdrom though. Anyone have any ideas whats going
> on with this ?
>
> S.
>
> --
> :  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
> :                                                                        :
> : Microsoft asks you where you want to go - UNIX gets you there.         :
> :                                                                        :
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Sun Aug 13 15:58:44 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 16:58:44 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11654.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Thinking out-loud, hope this helps:

1) SS20s use SCA drives, right? Are the drives in the right SCSI-ID
addresses?

2) probe-scsi - are the drives there?

3) Are these drives of unusual size (DOUS)? Might there be a problem with
the
   capacity of the drives and your OpenBoot PROM? (Just a thought, don't
even
   know if there is a size limit)?

4) If you pur the drives back in your previous system, will they boot there?
Is the
   previous system another SS20?

5) Do you have a spare drive you could try installing off of? The SCSI
controller
   may be failing (longshot).

HTH,

Ken

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Doyle" <S.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 4:31 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes


>
> The new (to me anyway) sparc20 arrived the other day - put the disks
> from the old one into it and fire the machine up. No joy.
>
> All I get is an error mesasage saying :
>
> panic - boot: no interrupt-enable node?
> Program Terminated
> ok
>
> It boots fine off the cdrom though. Anyone have any ideas whats going
> on with this ?
>
> S.
>
> --
> :  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
> :                                                                        :
> : Microsoft asks you where you want to go - UNIX gets you there.         :
> :                                                                        :
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From reedc at cc.wwu.edu  Sun Aug 13 16:09:52 2000
From: reedc at cc.wwu.edu (Cyrus M. Reed)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11655.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Have you tried "boot -r" at the PROM?  That might do it; you haven't said
if the processors/etc. are different from the old machine or not.  "boot
-r" will make it reconfigure the dev tree IIRC.

-Cyrus

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Steve Doyle wrote:

> 
> The new (to me anyway) sparc20 arrived the other day - put the disks 
> from the old one into it and fire the machine up. No joy.
> 
> All I get is an error mesasage saying :
> 
> panic - boot: no interrupt-enable node?
> Program Terminated
> ok 
> 
> It boots fine off the cdrom though. Anyone have any ideas whats going
> on with this ?
> 
> S.
> 
> -- 
> :  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
> :                                                                        :
> : Microsoft asks you where you want to go - UNIX gets you there.         :
> :                                                                        :
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From CyrusM.Reedreedc at cc.wwu.edu  Sun Aug 13 16:09:52 2000
From: CyrusM.Reedreedc at cc.wwu.edu (CyrusM.Reedreedc at cc.wwu.edu)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 14:09:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11656.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Have you tried "boot -r" at the PROM?  That might do it; you haven't said
if the processors/etc. are different from the old machine or not.  "boot
-r" will make it reconfigure the dev tree IIRC.

-Cyrus

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Steve Doyle wrote:

> 
> The new (to me anyway) sparc20 arrived the other day - put the disks 
> from the old one into it and fire the machine up. No joy.
> 
> All I get is an error mesasage saying :
> 
> panic - boot: no interrupt-enable node?
> Program Terminated
> ok 
> 
> It boots fine off the cdrom though. Anyone have any ideas whats going
> on with this ?
> 
> S.
> 
> -- 
> :  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
> :                                                                        :
> : Microsoft asks you where you want to go - UNIX gets you there.         :
> :                                                                        :
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From mrbill at mrbill.net  Sun Aug 13 22:31:21 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:31:21 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] WTT: SGI Indy for DEC Alpha
Message-ID: <mailman.11657.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I've got a barebones (needs RAM, HD, kb, mouse, monitor, but uses standard
PS2 keyboards and mice) SGI Indy with a 100 or 150mhz R4400PC CPU (havent
checked it lately) and an 8bit framebuffer, that I'd like to trade for an
equivalent DEC Alpha system (something like a low-end 3000 box; no Multias,
please...)

Bill

-- 
+-------------------\ /-----------------+
| Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
| mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
| Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net  Sun Aug 13 22:31:21 2000
From: BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net (BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Aug 2000 22:31:21 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] WTT: SGI Indy for DEC Alpha
Message-ID: <mailman.11658.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I've got a barebones (needs RAM, HD, kb, mouse, monitor, but uses standard
PS2 keyboards and mice) SGI Indy with a 100 or 150mhz R4400PC CPU (havent
checked it lately) and an 8bit framebuffer, that I'd like to trade for an
equivalent DEC Alpha system (something like a low-end 3000 box; no Multias,
please...)

Bill

-- 
+-------------------\ /-----------------+
| Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
| mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
| Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
+-------------------/ \-----------------+




From sun at minor-element.net  Mon Aug 14 02:23:07 2000
From: sun at minor-element.net (Martin Wedel -SR)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:23:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT
 CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11659.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Damned spammers.....

--
Martin Wedel
sun at minor-element.net
http://www.minor-element.net/

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Mike Nicewonger wrote:

> WTF?
> 
> Mike N
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alo AMERICA!" <helloame at optonline.net>
> To: <rescue at ohno.mrbill.net>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:05 AM
> Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT
> CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
> 
> 
> >
> > TELEFONIE INERNATIONALA HELLO AMERICA!
> >
> >
> > APELATI FRECVENT IN STRAINATATE? DORITI SA COMUNICATI MAI DES CU PRIETENII
> DIN TOATA LUMEA? SUNT TAXELE CURENTE PENTRU ACESTE CONVORBIRI MAI MARI DECAT
> BUGETUL DVS?
> >
> > NOI NE-AM GANDIT LA TOATE ACESTEA SI VA PUNEM LUMEA LA PICIOARE PRINTR-UN
> SERVICIU TELEFONIC  HELLO AMERICA! PRIN FIRMA RIMA COMUNICATION SRL.
> >
> >  ACESTA VA REDUCE CU PANA LA 80% FACTURA TELEFONICA CURENTA SI VA OFERI
> POSIBILITATEA DE A COMUNICA FARA TAXE DE CONECTARE, SUPRATAXE CE PORNESC DE
> LA MONOPOLUL EXISTENT IN TELEFONIA INTERNATIONALA
> > SI ALTE CHELTUIELI INUTILE SI STRESANTE.
> >
> > ECHIPA DE LA HELLO AMERICA! A PERFECTIONAT UN SISTEM DE ACCESARE A
> SERVICIILOR DE VOICE MAIL, FAX MAIL, TRANSMITERE DATE PRIN ELIBERAREA DE
> CARDURI HELLO AMERICA! IN VALOARE DE 11, 22,33, si 55 $
> >
> > PRIN CUMPARAREA UNUI CARD DVS APELATI UN NUMAR LOCAL DE ACCES CARE VA
> PERMITE CONECTAREA CU NUMARUL INTERNATIONAL CARE DORIT. PE VERSO VETI GASI
> TOATE INSTRUCTIUNILE DE UTILIZARE A CARDULUI.
> >
> > AVANTAJELE TELEFONIEI INTERNATIONALE HELLO AMERICA!
> >
> > @ NU NECESITA TAXE DE CONECTARE
> > @ ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR
> INTERNATIONALE
> > @ CONFIDENTIALITATE SI DISCRETIE
> > @FACTURI DETATALIATE LA CERERE
> > @TARIFARE LA 1/6 MINUTE
> > @VOCE, FAX SI TRANSMITERE DE DATE
> > @FUNCTIONARE FARA ACCES INTERNATIONAL DIRECT.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > CARDURILE HELLO AMERICA! SE UTILIZEAZA FOARTE USOR SI SE POT PROCURA DE LA
> ORICARE DEALER HELLO AMERICA!.
> > ACEST SISTEM NECESITA DOTARE TEHNICA MINIMA, SINGURA RESTRICTIE FIIND
> EXISTENTA UNUI APARAT TELEFONIC CARE SA CONTINA TASTELE # SI * PRECUM SI
> POSIBILITATEA DE COMUTARE DIN "PULS" SI "TON".
> >
> > DACA TELEFONUL DVS. ESTE CONECTAT LA O CENTRALA ANALOGICA ESTE NECESARA
> APASAREA TASTEI TON DUPA FORMAREA CENTRALEI NOASTRE.
> > NU SUNT NECESARE SCHIMBARI IN RETEAUA TELEFONICA EXISTENTA.
> >
> > NOI VA OFERIM, DUMNEAVOASTRA ALEGETI!
> > DACA SUNTETI INTERESAT  DE ACESTA OFERTA VA ASTEPTAM LA SEDIUL NOSTRU DIN
> STR GEORGE COSBUC #98 , SECTOR 4 VIS A VIS BINGO EUROPA    SAU NE PUTETI
> CONTACTA LA URMATOARELE  NR. DE TELEFON:
> > 01-3356100, 094642200, 094680115, 094680114 , 094626323, 094384444
> >
> > ACCESS  COD :  01/3018100
> > USE  NOW
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From MartinWedel-SRsun at minor-element.net  Mon Aug 14 02:23:07 2000
From: MartinWedel-SRsun at minor-element.net (MartinWedel-SRsun at minor-element.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 07:23:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT
 CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11660.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Damned spammers.....

--
Martin Wedel
sun at minor-element.net
http://www.minor-element.net/

On Mon, 14 Aug 2000, Mike Nicewonger wrote:

> WTF?
> 
> Mike N
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alo AMERICA!" <helloame at optonline.net>
> To: <rescue at ohno.mrbill.net>
> Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:05 AM
> Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT
> CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
> 
> 
> >
> > TELEFONIE INERNATIONALA HELLO AMERICA!
> >
> >
> > APELATI FRECVENT IN STRAINATATE? DORITI SA COMUNICATI MAI DES CU PRIETENII
> DIN TOATA LUMEA? SUNT TAXELE CURENTE PENTRU ACESTE CONVORBIRI MAI MARI DECAT
> BUGETUL DVS?
> >
> > NOI NE-AM GANDIT LA TOATE ACESTEA SI VA PUNEM LUMEA LA PICIOARE PRINTR-UN
> SERVICIU TELEFONIC  HELLO AMERICA! PRIN FIRMA RIMA COMUNICATION SRL.
> >
> >  ACESTA VA REDUCE CU PANA LA 80% FACTURA TELEFONICA CURENTA SI VA OFERI
> POSIBILITATEA DE A COMUNICA FARA TAXE DE CONECTARE, SUPRATAXE CE PORNESC DE
> LA MONOPOLUL EXISTENT IN TELEFONIA INTERNATIONALA
> > SI ALTE CHELTUIELI INUTILE SI STRESANTE.
> >
> > ECHIPA DE LA HELLO AMERICA! A PERFECTIONAT UN SISTEM DE ACCESARE A
> SERVICIILOR DE VOICE MAIL, FAX MAIL, TRANSMITERE DATE PRIN ELIBERAREA DE
> CARDURI HELLO AMERICA! IN VALOARE DE 11, 22,33, si 55 $
> >
> > PRIN CUMPARAREA UNUI CARD DVS APELATI UN NUMAR LOCAL DE ACCES CARE VA
> PERMITE CONECTAREA CU NUMARUL INTERNATIONAL CARE DORIT. PE VERSO VETI GASI
> TOATE INSTRUCTIUNILE DE UTILIZARE A CARDULUI.
> >
> > AVANTAJELE TELEFONIEI INTERNATIONALE HELLO AMERICA!
> >
> > @ NU NECESITA TAXE DE CONECTARE
> > @ ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR
> INTERNATIONALE
> > @ CONFIDENTIALITATE SI DISCRETIE
> > @FACTURI DETATALIATE LA CERERE
> > @TARIFARE LA 1/6 MINUTE
> > @VOCE, FAX SI TRANSMITERE DE DATE
> > @FUNCTIONARE FARA ACCES INTERNATIONAL DIRECT.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > CARDURILE HELLO AMERICA! SE UTILIZEAZA FOARTE USOR SI SE POT PROCURA DE LA
> ORICARE DEALER HELLO AMERICA!.
> > ACEST SISTEM NECESITA DOTARE TEHNICA MINIMA, SINGURA RESTRICTIE FIIND
> EXISTENTA UNUI APARAT TELEFONIC CARE SA CONTINA TASTELE # SI * PRECUM SI
> POSIBILITATEA DE COMUTARE DIN "PULS" SI "TON".
> >
> > DACA TELEFONUL DVS. ESTE CONECTAT LA O CENTRALA ANALOGICA ESTE NECESARA
> APASAREA TASTEI TON DUPA FORMAREA CENTRALEI NOASTRE.
> > NU SUNT NECESARE SCHIMBARI IN RETEAUA TELEFONICA EXISTENTA.
> >
> > NOI VA OFERIM, DUMNEAVOASTRA ALEGETI!
> > DACA SUNTETI INTERESAT  DE ACESTA OFERTA VA ASTEPTAM LA SEDIUL NOSTRU DIN
> STR GEORGE COSBUC #98 , SECTOR 4 VIS A VIS BINGO EUROPA    SAU NE PUTETI
> CONTACTA LA URMATOARELE  NR. DE TELEFON:
> > 01-3356100, 094642200, 094680115, 094680114 , 094626323, 094384444
> >
> > ACCESS  COD :  01/3018100
> > USE  NOW
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> > http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
> 





From twmaster at twmaster.com  Mon Aug 14 02:37:25 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:37:25 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11661.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

WTF?

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alo AMERICA!" <helloame at optonline.net>
To: <rescue at ohno.mrbill.net>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:05 AM
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT
CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE


>
> TELEFONIE INERNATIONALA HELLO AMERICA!
>
>
> APELATI FRECVENT IN STRAINATATE? DORITI SA COMUNICATI MAI DES CU PRIETENII
DIN TOATA LUMEA? SUNT TAXELE CURENTE PENTRU ACESTE CONVORBIRI MAI MARI DECAT
BUGETUL DVS?
>
> NOI NE-AM GANDIT LA TOATE ACESTEA SI VA PUNEM LUMEA LA PICIOARE PRINTR-UN
SERVICIU TELEFONIC  HELLO AMERICA! PRIN FIRMA RIMA COMUNICATION SRL.
>
>  ACESTA VA REDUCE CU PANA LA 80% FACTURA TELEFONICA CURENTA SI VA OFERI
POSIBILITATEA DE A COMUNICA FARA TAXE DE CONECTARE, SUPRATAXE CE PORNESC DE
LA MONOPOLUL EXISTENT IN TELEFONIA INTERNATIONALA
> SI ALTE CHELTUIELI INUTILE SI STRESANTE.
>
> ECHIPA DE LA HELLO AMERICA! A PERFECTIONAT UN SISTEM DE ACCESARE A
SERVICIILOR DE VOICE MAIL, FAX MAIL, TRANSMITERE DATE PRIN ELIBERAREA DE
CARDURI HELLO AMERICA! IN VALOARE DE 11, 22,33, si 55 $
>
> PRIN CUMPARAREA UNUI CARD DVS APELATI UN NUMAR LOCAL DE ACCES CARE VA
PERMITE CONECTAREA CU NUMARUL INTERNATIONAL CARE DORIT. PE VERSO VETI GASI
TOATE INSTRUCTIUNILE DE UTILIZARE A CARDULUI.
>
> AVANTAJELE TELEFONIEI INTERNATIONALE HELLO AMERICA!
>
> @ NU NECESITA TAXE DE CONECTARE
> @ ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR
INTERNATIONALE
> @ CONFIDENTIALITATE SI DISCRETIE
> @FACTURI DETATALIATE LA CERERE
> @TARIFARE LA 1/6 MINUTE
> @VOCE, FAX SI TRANSMITERE DE DATE
> @FUNCTIONARE FARA ACCES INTERNATIONAL DIRECT.
>
>
>
>
> CARDURILE HELLO AMERICA! SE UTILIZEAZA FOARTE USOR SI SE POT PROCURA DE LA
ORICARE DEALER HELLO AMERICA!.
> ACEST SISTEM NECESITA DOTARE TEHNICA MINIMA, SINGURA RESTRICTIE FIIND
EXISTENTA UNUI APARAT TELEFONIC CARE SA CONTINA TASTELE # SI * PRECUM SI
POSIBILITATEA DE COMUTARE DIN "PULS" SI "TON".
>
> DACA TELEFONUL DVS. ESTE CONECTAT LA O CENTRALA ANALOGICA ESTE NECESARA
APASAREA TASTEI TON DUPA FORMAREA CENTRALEI NOASTRE.
> NU SUNT NECESARE SCHIMBARI IN RETEAUA TELEFONICA EXISTENTA.
>
> NOI VA OFERIM, DUMNEAVOASTRA ALEGETI!
> DACA SUNTETI INTERESAT  DE ACESTA OFERTA VA ASTEPTAM LA SEDIUL NOSTRU DIN
STR GEORGE COSBUC #98 , SECTOR 4 VIS A VIS BINGO EUROPA    SAU NE PUTETI
CONTACTA LA URMATOARELE  NR. DE TELEFON:
> 01-3356100, 094642200, 094680115, 094680114 , 094626323, 094384444
>
> ACCESS  COD :  01/3018100
> USE  NOW
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Mon Aug 14 02:37:25 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:37:25 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11662.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

WTF?

Mike N
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alo AMERICA!" <helloame at optonline.net>
To: <rescue at ohno.mrbill.net>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:05 AM
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT
CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE


>
> TELEFONIE INERNATIONALA HELLO AMERICA!
>
>
> APELATI FRECVENT IN STRAINATATE? DORITI SA COMUNICATI MAI DES CU PRIETENII
DIN TOATA LUMEA? SUNT TAXELE CURENTE PENTRU ACESTE CONVORBIRI MAI MARI DECAT
BUGETUL DVS?
>
> NOI NE-AM GANDIT LA TOATE ACESTEA SI VA PUNEM LUMEA LA PICIOARE PRINTR-UN
SERVICIU TELEFONIC  HELLO AMERICA! PRIN FIRMA RIMA COMUNICATION SRL.
>
>  ACESTA VA REDUCE CU PANA LA 80% FACTURA TELEFONICA CURENTA SI VA OFERI
POSIBILITATEA DE A COMUNICA FARA TAXE DE CONECTARE, SUPRATAXE CE PORNESC DE
LA MONOPOLUL EXISTENT IN TELEFONIA INTERNATIONALA
> SI ALTE CHELTUIELI INUTILE SI STRESANTE.
>
> ECHIPA DE LA HELLO AMERICA! A PERFECTIONAT UN SISTEM DE ACCESARE A
SERVICIILOR DE VOICE MAIL, FAX MAIL, TRANSMITERE DATE PRIN ELIBERAREA DE
CARDURI HELLO AMERICA! IN VALOARE DE 11, 22,33, si 55 $
>
> PRIN CUMPARAREA UNUI CARD DVS APELATI UN NUMAR LOCAL DE ACCES CARE VA
PERMITE CONECTAREA CU NUMARUL INTERNATIONAL CARE DORIT. PE VERSO VETI GASI
TOATE INSTRUCTIUNILE DE UTILIZARE A CARDULUI.
>
> AVANTAJELE TELEFONIEI INTERNATIONALE HELLO AMERICA!
>
> @ NU NECESITA TAXE DE CONECTARE
> @ ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR
INTERNATIONALE
> @ CONFIDENTIALITATE SI DISCRETIE
> @FACTURI DETATALIATE LA CERERE
> @TARIFARE LA 1/6 MINUTE
> @VOCE, FAX SI TRANSMITERE DE DATE
> @FUNCTIONARE FARA ACCES INTERNATIONAL DIRECT.
>
>
>
>
> CARDURILE HELLO AMERICA! SE UTILIZEAZA FOARTE USOR SI SE POT PROCURA DE LA
ORICARE DEALER HELLO AMERICA!.
> ACEST SISTEM NECESITA DOTARE TEHNICA MINIMA, SINGURA RESTRICTIE FIIND
EXISTENTA UNUI APARAT TELEFONIC CARE SA CONTINA TASTELE # SI * PRECUM SI
POSIBILITATEA DE COMUTARE DIN "PULS" SI "TON".
>
> DACA TELEFONUL DVS. ESTE CONECTAT LA O CENTRALA ANALOGICA ESTE NECESARA
APASAREA TASTEI TON DUPA FORMAREA CENTRALEI NOASTRE.
> NU SUNT NECESARE SCHIMBARI IN RETEAUA TELEFONICA EXISTENTA.
>
> NOI VA OFERIM, DUMNEAVOASTRA ALEGETI!
> DACA SUNTETI INTERESAT  DE ACESTA OFERTA VA ASTEPTAM LA SEDIUL NOSTRU DIN
STR GEORGE COSBUC #98 , SECTOR 4 VIS A VIS BINGO EUROPA    SAU NE PUTETI
CONTACTA LA URMATOARELE  NR. DE TELEFON:
> 01-3356100, 094642200, 094680115, 094680114 , 094626323, 094384444
>
> ACCESS  COD :  01/3018100
> USE  NOW
>
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From robert at rits.com.au  Mon Aug 14 03:03:44 2000
From: robert at rits.com.au (RR)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:03:44 +1000
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 5 bits
Message-ID: <mailman.11663.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Well it appears that there is plenty of interest !

I'm still in the "expression of interest" stage with the vendor, they're
pondering what to do with them, and I'm trying to convince them to let
them go.  My guess is this will probably take quite a while, I'll keep
the list updated as negotiations proceed.

On the topic of disks for my Compaq controller, I believe I may be able
to use non-Compaq disks.  I've decided to wait until I actually get them
and borrow an IBM or Quantum disk to test this theory.

cheers,

Rob.




From RRrobert at rits.com.au  Mon Aug 14 03:03:44 2000
From: RRrobert at rits.com.au (RRrobert at rits.com.au)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:03:44 +1000
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 5 bits
Message-ID: <mailman.11664.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Well it appears that there is plenty of interest !

I'm still in the "expression of interest" stage with the vendor, they're
pondering what to do with them, and I'm trying to convince them to let
them go.  My guess is this will probably take quite a while, I'll keep
the list updated as negotiations proceed.

On the topic of disks for my Compaq controller, I believe I may be able
to use non-Compaq disks.  I've decided to wait until I actually get them
and borrow an IBM or Quantum disk to test this theory.

cheers,

Rob.




From helloame at optonline.net  Mon Aug 14 03:05:05 2000
From: helloame at optonline.net (Alo AMERICA!)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:05:05 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11665.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

TELEFONIE INERNATIONALA HELLO AMERICA!


APELATI FRECVENT IN STRAINATATE? DORITI SA COMUNICATI MAI DES CU PRIETENII DIN TOATA LUMEA? SUNT TAXELE CURENTE PENTRU ACESTE CONVORBIRI MAI MARI DECAT BUGETUL DVS?

NOI NE-AM GANDIT LA TOATE ACESTEA SI VA PUNEM LUMEA LA PICIOARE PRINTR-UN SERVICIU TELEFONIC  HELLO AMERICA! PRIN FIRMA RIMA COMUNICATION SRL.

 ACESTA VA REDUCE CU PANA LA 80% FACTURA TELEFONICA CURENTA SI VA OFERI POSIBILITATEA DE A COMUNICA FARA TAXE DE CONECTARE, SUPRATAXE CE PORNESC DE LA MONOPOLUL EXISTENT IN TELEFONIA INTERNATIONALA
SI ALTE CHELTUIELI INUTILE SI STRESANTE.

ECHIPA DE LA HELLO AMERICA! A PERFECTIONAT UN SISTEM DE ACCESARE A SERVICIILOR DE VOICE MAIL, FAX MAIL, TRANSMITERE DATE PRIN ELIBERAREA DE CARDURI HELLO AMERICA! IN VALOARE DE 11, 22,33, si 55 $

PRIN CUMPARAREA UNUI CARD DVS APELATI UN NUMAR LOCAL DE ACCES CARE VA  PERMITE CONECTAREA CU NUMARUL INTERNATIONAL CARE DORIT. PE VERSO VETI GASI TOATE INSTRUCTIUNILE DE UTILIZARE A CARDULUI.

AVANTAJELE TELEFONIEI INTERNATIONALE HELLO AMERICA!

@ NU NECESITA TAXE DE CONECTARE
@ ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
@ CONFIDENTIALITATE SI DISCRETIE
@FACTURI DETATALIATE LA CERERE
@TARIFARE LA 1/6 MINUTE
@VOCE, FAX SI TRANSMITERE DE DATE
@FUNCTIONARE FARA ACCES INTERNATIONAL DIRECT.




CARDURILE HELLO AMERICA! SE UTILIZEAZA FOARTE USOR SI SE POT PROCURA DE LA ORICARE DEALER HELLO AMERICA!.
ACEST SISTEM NECESITA DOTARE TEHNICA MINIMA, SINGURA RESTRICTIE FIIND  EXISTENTA UNUI APARAT TELEFONIC CARE SA CONTINA TASTELE # SI * PRECUM SI POSIBILITATEA DE COMUTARE DIN "PULS" SI "TON".

DACA TELEFONUL DVS. ESTE CONECTAT LA O CENTRALA ANALOGICA ESTE NECESARA APASAREA TASTEI TON DUPA FORMAREA CENTRALEI NOASTRE.
NU SUNT NECESARE SCHIMBARI IN RETEAUA TELEFONICA EXISTENTA.

NOI VA OFERIM, DUMNEAVOASTRA ALEGETI!
DACA SUNTETI INTERESAT  DE ACESTA OFERTA VA ASTEPTAM LA SEDIUL NOSTRU DIN STR GEORGE COSBUC #98 , SECTOR 4 VIS A VIS BINGO EUROPA    SAU NE PUTETI CONTACTA LA URMATOARELE  NR. DE TELEFON:
01-3356100, 094642200, 094680115, 094680114 , 094626323, 094384444

ACCESS  COD :  01/3018100
USE  NOW





From AloAMERICA!helloame at optonline.net  Mon Aug 14 03:05:05 2000
From: AloAMERICA!helloame at optonline.net (AloAMERICA!helloame at optonline.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:05:05 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11666.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

TELEFONIE INERNATIONALA HELLO AMERICA!


APELATI FRECVENT IN STRAINATATE? DORITI SA COMUNICATI MAI DES CU PRIETENII DIN TOATA LUMEA? SUNT TAXELE CURENTE PENTRU ACESTE CONVORBIRI MAI MARI DECAT BUGETUL DVS?

NOI NE-AM GANDIT LA TOATE ACESTEA SI VA PUNEM LUMEA LA PICIOARE PRINTR-UN SERVICIU TELEFONIC  HELLO AMERICA! PRIN FIRMA RIMA COMUNICATION SRL.

 ACESTA VA REDUCE CU PANA LA 80% FACTURA TELEFONICA CURENTA SI VA OFERI POSIBILITATEA DE A COMUNICA FARA TAXE DE CONECTARE, SUPRATAXE CE PORNESC DE LA MONOPOLUL EXISTENT IN TELEFONIA INTERNATIONALA
SI ALTE CHELTUIELI INUTILE SI STRESANTE.

ECHIPA DE LA HELLO AMERICA! A PERFECTIONAT UN SISTEM DE ACCESARE A SERVICIILOR DE VOICE MAIL, FAX MAIL, TRANSMITERE DATE PRIN ELIBERAREA DE CARDURI HELLO AMERICA! IN VALOARE DE 11, 22,33, si 55 $

PRIN CUMPARAREA UNUI CARD DVS APELATI UN NUMAR LOCAL DE ACCES CARE VA  PERMITE CONECTAREA CU NUMARUL INTERNATIONAL CARE DORIT. PE VERSO VETI GASI TOATE INSTRUCTIUNILE DE UTILIZARE A CARDULUI.

AVANTAJELE TELEFONIEI INTERNATIONALE HELLO AMERICA!

@ NU NECESITA TAXE DE CONECTARE
@ ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
@ CONFIDENTIALITATE SI DISCRETIE
@FACTURI DETATALIATE LA CERERE
@TARIFARE LA 1/6 MINUTE
@VOCE, FAX SI TRANSMITERE DE DATE
@FUNCTIONARE FARA ACCES INTERNATIONAL DIRECT.




CARDURILE HELLO AMERICA! SE UTILIZEAZA FOARTE USOR SI SE POT PROCURA DE LA ORICARE DEALER HELLO AMERICA!.
ACEST SISTEM NECESITA DOTARE TEHNICA MINIMA, SINGURA RESTRICTIE FIIND  EXISTENTA UNUI APARAT TELEFONIC CARE SA CONTINA TASTELE # SI * PRECUM SI POSIBILITATEA DE COMUTARE DIN "PULS" SI "TON".

DACA TELEFONUL DVS. ESTE CONECTAT LA O CENTRALA ANALOGICA ESTE NECESARA APASAREA TASTEI TON DUPA FORMAREA CENTRALEI NOASTRE.
NU SUNT NECESARE SCHIMBARI IN RETEAUA TELEFONICA EXISTENTA.

NOI VA OFERIM, DUMNEAVOASTRA ALEGETI!
DACA SUNTETI INTERESAT  DE ACESTA OFERTA VA ASTEPTAM LA SEDIUL NOSTRU DIN STR GEORGE COSBUC #98 , SECTOR 4 VIS A VIS BINGO EUROPA    SAU NE PUTETI CONTACTA LA URMATOARELE  NR. DE TELEFON:
01-3356100, 094642200, 094680115, 094680114 , 094626323, 094384444

ACCESS  COD :  01/3018100
USE  NOW





From helloame at optonline.net  Mon Aug 14 03:05:07 2000
From: helloame at optonline.net (Alo AMERICA!)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:05:07 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11667.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

TELEFONIE INERNATIONALA HELLO AMERICA!


APELATI FRECVENT IN STRAINATATE? DORITI SA COMUNICATI MAI DES CU PRIETENII DIN TOATA LUMEA? SUNT TAXELE CURENTE PENTRU ACESTE CONVORBIRI MAI MARI DECAT BUGETUL DVS?

NOI NE-AM GANDIT LA TOATE ACESTEA SI VA PUNEM LUMEA LA PICIOARE PRINTR-UN SERVICIU TELEFONIC  HELLO AMERICA! PRIN FIRMA RIMA COMUNICATION SRL.

 ACESTA VA REDUCE CU PANA LA 80% FACTURA TELEFONICA CURENTA SI VA OFERI POSIBILITATEA DE A COMUNICA FARA TAXE DE CONECTARE, SUPRATAXE CE PORNESC DE LA MONOPOLUL EXISTENT IN TELEFONIA INTERNATIONALA
SI ALTE CHELTUIELI INUTILE SI STRESANTE.

ECHIPA DE LA HELLO AMERICA! A PERFECTIONAT UN SISTEM DE ACCESARE A SERVICIILOR DE VOICE MAIL, FAX MAIL, TRANSMITERE DATE PRIN ELIBERAREA DE CARDURI HELLO AMERICA! IN VALOARE DE 11, 22,33, si 55 $

PRIN CUMPARAREA UNUI CARD DVS APELATI UN NUMAR LOCAL DE ACCES CARE VA  PERMITE CONECTAREA CU NUMARUL INTERNATIONAL CARE DORIT. PE VERSO VETI GASI TOATE INSTRUCTIUNILE DE UTILIZARE A CARDULUI.

AVANTAJELE TELEFONIEI INTERNATIONALE HELLO AMERICA!

@ NU NECESITA TAXE DE CONECTARE
@ ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
@ CONFIDENTIALITATE SI DISCRETIE
@FACTURI DETATALIATE LA CERERE
@TARIFARE LA 1/6 MINUTE
@VOCE, FAX SI TRANSMITERE DE DATE
@FUNCTIONARE FARA ACCES INTERNATIONAL DIRECT.




CARDURILE HELLO AMERICA! SE UTILIZEAZA FOARTE USOR SI SE POT PROCURA DE LA ORICARE DEALER HELLO AMERICA!.
ACEST SISTEM NECESITA DOTARE TEHNICA MINIMA, SINGURA RESTRICTIE FIIND  EXISTENTA UNUI APARAT TELEFONIC CARE SA CONTINA TASTELE # SI * PRECUM SI POSIBILITATEA DE COMUTARE DIN "PULS" SI "TON".

DACA TELEFONUL DVS. ESTE CONECTAT LA O CENTRALA ANALOGICA ESTE NECESARA APASAREA TASTEI TON DUPA FORMAREA CENTRALEI NOASTRE.
NU SUNT NECESARE SCHIMBARI IN RETEAUA TELEFONICA EXISTENTA.

NOI VA OFERIM, DUMNEAVOASTRA ALEGETI!
DACA SUNTETI INTERESAT  DE ACESTA OFERTA VA ASTEPTAM LA SEDIUL NOSTRU DIN STR GEORGE COSBUC #98 , SECTOR 4 VIS A VIS BINGO EUROPA    SAU NE PUTETI CONTACTA LA URMATOARELE  NR. DE TELEFON:
01-3356100, 094642200, 094680115, 094680114 , 094626323, 094384444

ACCESS  COD :  01/3018100
USE  NOW





From AloAMERICA!helloame at optonline.net  Mon Aug 14 03:05:07 2000
From: AloAMERICA!helloame at optonline.net (AloAMERICA!helloame at optonline.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 03:05:07 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11668.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

TELEFONIE INERNATIONALA HELLO AMERICA!


APELATI FRECVENT IN STRAINATATE? DORITI SA COMUNICATI MAI DES CU PRIETENII DIN TOATA LUMEA? SUNT TAXELE CURENTE PENTRU ACESTE CONVORBIRI MAI MARI DECAT BUGETUL DVS?

NOI NE-AM GANDIT LA TOATE ACESTEA SI VA PUNEM LUMEA LA PICIOARE PRINTR-UN SERVICIU TELEFONIC  HELLO AMERICA! PRIN FIRMA RIMA COMUNICATION SRL.

 ACESTA VA REDUCE CU PANA LA 80% FACTURA TELEFONICA CURENTA SI VA OFERI POSIBILITATEA DE A COMUNICA FARA TAXE DE CONECTARE, SUPRATAXE CE PORNESC DE LA MONOPOLUL EXISTENT IN TELEFONIA INTERNATIONALA
SI ALTE CHELTUIELI INUTILE SI STRESANTE.

ECHIPA DE LA HELLO AMERICA! A PERFECTIONAT UN SISTEM DE ACCESARE A SERVICIILOR DE VOICE MAIL, FAX MAIL, TRANSMITERE DATE PRIN ELIBERAREA DE CARDURI HELLO AMERICA! IN VALOARE DE 11, 22,33, si 55 $

PRIN CUMPARAREA UNUI CARD DVS APELATI UN NUMAR LOCAL DE ACCES CARE VA  PERMITE CONECTAREA CU NUMARUL INTERNATIONAL CARE DORIT. PE VERSO VETI GASI TOATE INSTRUCTIUNILE DE UTILIZARE A CARDULUI.

AVANTAJELE TELEFONIEI INTERNATIONALE HELLO AMERICA!

@ NU NECESITA TAXE DE CONECTARE
@ ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
@ CONFIDENTIALITATE SI DISCRETIE
@FACTURI DETATALIATE LA CERERE
@TARIFARE LA 1/6 MINUTE
@VOCE, FAX SI TRANSMITERE DE DATE
@FUNCTIONARE FARA ACCES INTERNATIONAL DIRECT.




CARDURILE HELLO AMERICA! SE UTILIZEAZA FOARTE USOR SI SE POT PROCURA DE LA ORICARE DEALER HELLO AMERICA!.
ACEST SISTEM NECESITA DOTARE TEHNICA MINIMA, SINGURA RESTRICTIE FIIND  EXISTENTA UNUI APARAT TELEFONIC CARE SA CONTINA TASTELE # SI * PRECUM SI POSIBILITATEA DE COMUTARE DIN "PULS" SI "TON".

DACA TELEFONUL DVS. ESTE CONECTAT LA O CENTRALA ANALOGICA ESTE NECESARA APASAREA TASTEI TON DUPA FORMAREA CENTRALEI NOASTRE.
NU SUNT NECESARE SCHIMBARI IN RETEAUA TELEFONICA EXISTENTA.

NOI VA OFERIM, DUMNEAVOASTRA ALEGETI!
DACA SUNTETI INTERESAT  DE ACESTA OFERTA VA ASTEPTAM LA SEDIUL NOSTRU DIN STR GEORGE COSBUC #98 , SECTOR 4 VIS A VIS BINGO EUROPA    SAU NE PUTETI CONTACTA LA URMATOARELE  NR. DE TELEFON:
01-3356100, 094642200, 094680115, 094680114 , 094626323, 094384444

ACCESS  COD :  01/3018100
USE  NOW





From S.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk  Mon Aug 14 03:16:08 2000
From: S.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk (Steve Doyle)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:16:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11669.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Ken Hansen wrote:

> Thinking out-loud, hope this helps:
> 1) SS20s use SCA drives, right? Are the drives in the right SCSI-ID
> addresses?

They arent SCA drives - all the disks are are the 50 pin type and fairly 
new. They live in an external cabinet with the Exabyte and QIC tape drives 
where they get a bit more air round them. 

> 2) probe-scsi - are the drives there?

Yes - no problems at all, even with the SCSI chain full. 

> 3) Are these drives of unusual size (DOUS)? Might there be a problem with

No - fairly standard 2GB and 4GB ones.

> 4) If you pur the drives back in your previous system, will they boot there?

Havent tried this yet - but am off for a week so its a job for when I get
back. They were working fine in the old box though and they still mount up 
fine on the new one.

> Is the previous system another SS20?

No - Its a Sparc 1+ - thinking about it it may have been a bit optimistic
to think it would work, but itis still the generic kernel so...

> 5) Do you have a spare drive you could try installing off of? The SCSI
> controller may be failing (longshot).

I can get one :)

If needs be I can move files about and reinstall the 2.6. I've kept everything
fairly well split up just in case.

The boot -r isnt an option though as it just doesnt get that far.

S.

-- 
:  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
:                                                                        :
: "The Internet is a good tool to use to get on the Net." -Bob Dole      :
:                                                                        :





From SteveDoyleS.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk  Mon Aug 14 03:16:08 2000
From: SteveDoyleS.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk (SteveDoyleS.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:16:08 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11670.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Ken Hansen wrote:

> Thinking out-loud, hope this helps:
> 1) SS20s use SCA drives, right? Are the drives in the right SCSI-ID
> addresses?

They arent SCA drives - all the disks are are the 50 pin type and fairly 
new. They live in an external cabinet with the Exabyte and QIC tape drives 
where they get a bit more air round them. 

> 2) probe-scsi - are the drives there?

Yes - no problems at all, even with the SCSI chain full. 

> 3) Are these drives of unusual size (DOUS)? Might there be a problem with

No - fairly standard 2GB and 4GB ones.

> 4) If you pur the drives back in your previous system, will they boot there?

Havent tried this yet - but am off for a week so its a job for when I get
back. They were working fine in the old box though and they still mount up 
fine on the new one.

> Is the previous system another SS20?

No - Its a Sparc 1+ - thinking about it it may have been a bit optimistic
to think it would work, but itis still the generic kernel so...

> 5) Do you have a spare drive you could try installing off of? The SCSI
> controller may be failing (longshot).

I can get one :)

If needs be I can move files about and reinstall the 2.6. I've kept everything
fairly well split up just in case.

The boot -r isnt an option though as it just doesnt get that far.

S.

-- 
:  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
:                                                                        :
: "The Internet is a good tool to use to get on the Net." -Bob Dole      :
:                                                                        :





From robert at rits.com.au  Mon Aug 14 03:21:16 2000
From: robert at rits.com.au (RR)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:21:16 +1000
Subject: [SunRescue] Thanks!
Message-ID: <mailman.11671.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

All,

This is a public thank-you to Mike Nicewonger.  Mike offered to be a
shipping-proxy for me so I could purchase one of the Indys offered on
Sunhelp several months ago.  Mike endured a few stuff-arounds from the
vendor, in particular some very poor packaging.  The Indy arrived today
with obvious evidence of Mikes' super job in repacking the thing
properly so it would be protected in transport. 

Thank you very much Mike, I really appreciate the effort you went to
just to help me out.

Robert.




From RRrobert at rits.com.au  Mon Aug 14 03:21:16 2000
From: RRrobert at rits.com.au (RRrobert at rits.com.au)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 18:21:16 +1000
Subject: [SunRescue] Thanks!
Message-ID: <mailman.11672.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

All,

This is a public thank-you to Mike Nicewonger.  Mike offered to be a
shipping-proxy for me so I could purchase one of the Indys offered on
Sunhelp several months ago.  Mike endured a few stuff-arounds from the
vendor, in particular some very poor packaging.  The Indy arrived today
with obvious evidence of Mikes' super job in repacking the thing
properly so it would be protected in transport. 

Thank you very much Mike, I really appreciate the effort you went to
just to help me out.

Robert.




From Chris_Powell at mitel.com  Mon Aug 14 03:51:41 2000
From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:51:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Cheap SS4/5/10's?
Message-ID: <mailman.11673.1174460365.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:39:45 -0700, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:

> I got a nice paycheck (since it's my last day tomorrow), and am thinking
> of finally upgrading one of my SPARCs.
> Any CONs of using a SS4?  I plan on using ONLY external HD's.  Also,
> is memory standard, or proprietary?  I'd prefer an SS10, but I'd like to stay
> below $150 if possible, for something with 64MB of RAM, and
> NO hard drives (already got 5.2GB).

SS4/SS5 uses Sun proprietary memory. Real pain as proprietary=expensive.
My SS5 is chugging with 32Mb as RAM is too darn expensive. Might look
at computerfriend.com though....

> Also, do I just need to reinstall Solaris, and keep existing settings,
> since I'd be going from Sun4c to Sun4m?

I did this recently (sun4c IPC to sun4m SS10). I thought it was just
going to be a disk swap, but all the sun4m kernel bits will be missing
and the devices will be set-up for sun4c. I ended up doing this:

1. BACK THE DRIVE UP!
2. Boot from CD. Mount the root partition of the drive on /a and install
    the /platform/sun4m and /usr/platform/sun4m hierarchies and machine
    type (SUNW,....) links. Use 'installboot' to install the boot block.
3. Remove everything under /a/dev and /a/devices.
4. Tar /dev and /devices (i.e. the devices directories of your CD booted
    system). Untar them in /a/dev and /a/devices.
5. Remove /a/etc/path_to_inst
6. Halt the system, and reboot with -ravs (rebuild, ask, verbose,
    single-user) kernel flags. Hit return for everything EXCEPT when it
    asks to recreate /etc/path_to_inst (answer y).
 
I certainly wouldn't guarantee this working every time (hence the need
for a backup), but it worked for me (so far!).
 
Painless (sort of) :)


Chris.




From ChrisPowellChris_Powell at mitel.com  Mon Aug 14 03:51:41 2000
From: ChrisPowellChris_Powell at mitel.com (ChrisPowellChris_Powell at mitel.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:51:41 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Cheap SS4/5/10's?
Message-ID: <mailman.11674.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Fri, 11 Aug 2000 19:39:45 -0700, Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:

> I got a nice paycheck (since it's my last day tomorrow), and am thinking
> of finally upgrading one of my SPARCs.
> Any CONs of using a SS4?  I plan on using ONLY external HD's.  Also,
> is memory standard, or proprietary?  I'd prefer an SS10, but I'd like to stay
> below $150 if possible, for something with 64MB of RAM, and
> NO hard drives (already got 5.2GB).

SS4/SS5 uses Sun proprietary memory. Real pain as proprietary=expensive.
My SS5 is chugging with 32Mb as RAM is too darn expensive. Might look
at computerfriend.com though....

> Also, do I just need to reinstall Solaris, and keep existing settings,
> since I'd be going from Sun4c to Sun4m?

I did this recently (sun4c IPC to sun4m SS10). I thought it was just
going to be a disk swap, but all the sun4m kernel bits will be missing
and the devices will be set-up for sun4c. I ended up doing this:

1. BACK THE DRIVE UP!
2. Boot from CD. Mount the root partition of the drive on /a and install
    the /platform/sun4m and /usr/platform/sun4m hierarchies and machine
    type (SUNW,....) links. Use 'installboot' to install the boot block.
3. Remove everything under /a/dev and /a/devices.
4. Tar /dev and /devices (i.e. the devices directories of your CD booted
    system). Untar them in /a/dev and /a/devices.
5. Remove /a/etc/path_to_inst
6. Halt the system, and reboot with -ravs (rebuild, ask, verbose,
    single-user) kernel flags. Hit return for everything EXCEPT when it
    asks to recreate /etc/path_to_inst (answer y).
 
I certainly wouldn't guarantee this working every time (hence the need
for a backup), but it worked for me (so far!).
 
Painless (sort of) :)


Chris.




From twmaster at twmaster.com  Mon Aug 14 03:57:41 2000
From: twmaster at twmaster.com (Mike Nicewonger)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 04:57:41 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Thanks!
Message-ID: <mailman.11675.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Oh my! <blush> Thanks for the nice thank you! You are of course welcome!!
Glad everything made it in one piece. I hope the extras meet your approval.

Mike N

BTW: You owe me an icey cold Foster's if ya ever get to Baltimore or
Washington DC.


----- Original Message -----
From: "RR" <robert at rits.com.au>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:21 AM
Subject: [SunRescue] Thanks!


> All,
>
> This is a public thank-you to Mike Nicewonger.  Mike offered to be a
> shipping-proxy for me so I could purchase one of the Indys offered on
> Sunhelp several months ago.  Mike endured a few stuff-arounds from the
> vendor, in particular some very poor packaging.  The Indy arrived today
> with obvious evidence of Mikes' super job in repacking the thing
> properly so it would be protected in transport.
>
> Thank you very much Mike, I really appreciate the effort you went to
> just to help me out.
>
> Robert.
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com  Mon Aug 14 03:57:41 2000
From: MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com (MikeNicewongertwmaster at twmaster.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 04:57:41 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Thanks!
Message-ID: <mailman.11676.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Oh my! <blush> Thanks for the nice thank you! You are of course welcome!!
Glad everything made it in one piece. I hope the extras meet your approval.

Mike N

BTW: You owe me an icey cold Foster's if ya ever get to Baltimore or
Washington DC.


----- Original Message -----
From: "RR" <robert at rits.com.au>
To: <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 4:21 AM
Subject: [SunRescue] Thanks!


> All,
>
> This is a public thank-you to Mike Nicewonger.  Mike offered to be a
> shipping-proxy for me so I could purchase one of the Indys offered on
> Sunhelp several months ago.  Mike endured a few stuff-arounds from the
> vendor, in particular some very poor packaging.  The Indy arrived today
> with obvious evidence of Mikes' super job in repacking the thing
> properly so it would be protected in transport.
>
> Thank you very much Mike, I really appreciate the effort you went to
> just to help me out.
>
> Robert.
> _______________________________________________
> Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
> http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue
>





From ldstout at MediaOne.com  Mon Aug 14 07:29:59 2000
From: ldstout at MediaOne.com (Stout, Logan)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:29:59 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11677.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Just fyi, I have been told by mny people that simply moving disks from one
machine to another of a different model has almost no chance of working
without special software to alter the boot info, and to some extent the FS..
dont quote me it.. but thats what I have heard from some of the senior
guru's I work with.

Logan Stout

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Doyle [mailto:S.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:16 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes



On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Ken Hansen wrote:

> Thinking out-loud, hope this helps:
> 1) SS20s use SCA drives, right? Are the drives in the right SCSI-ID
> addresses?

They arent SCA drives - all the disks are are the 50 pin type and fairly 
new. They live in an external cabinet with the Exabyte and QIC tape drives 
where they get a bit more air round them. 

> 2) probe-scsi - are the drives there?

Yes - no problems at all, even with the SCSI chain full. 

> 3) Are these drives of unusual size (DOUS)? Might there be a problem with

No - fairly standard 2GB and 4GB ones.

> 4) If you pur the drives back in your previous system, will they boot
there?

Havent tried this yet - but am off for a week so its a job for when I get
back. They were working fine in the old box though and they still mount up 
fine on the new one.

> Is the previous system another SS20?

No - Its a Sparc 1+ - thinking about it it may have been a bit optimistic
to think it would work, but itis still the generic kernel so...

> 5) Do you have a spare drive you could try installing off of? The SCSI
> controller may be failing (longshot).

I can get one :)

If needs be I can move files about and reinstall the 2.6. I've kept
everything
fairly well split up just in case.

The boot -r isnt an option though as it just doesnt get that far.

S.

-- 
:  Steve Doyle                                      paiste at csc.liv.ac.uk :
:                                                                        :
: "The Internet is a good tool to use to get on the Net." -Bob Dole      :
:                                                                        :

_______________________________________________
Rescue maillist  -  Rescue at sunhelp.org
http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From Stout  Mon Aug 14 07:29:59 2000
From: Stout (Stout)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 08:29:59 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11678.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Just fyi, I have been told by mny people that simply moving disks from one
machine to another of a different model has almost no chance of working
without special software to alter the boot info, and to some extent the FS..
dont quote me it.. but thats what I have heard from some of the senior
guru's I work with.

Logan Stout

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Doyle [mailto:S.Doyle at csc.liv.ac.uk]
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 1:16 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes



On Sun, 13 Aug 2000, Ken Hansen wrote:

> Thinking out-loud, hope this helps:
> 1) SS20s use SCA drives, right? Are the drives in the right SCSI-ID
> addresses?

They arent SCA drives - all the disks are are the 50 pin type and fairly 
new. They live in an external cabinet with the Exabyte and QIC tape drives 
where they get a bit more air round them. 

> 2) probe-scsi - are the drives there?

Yes - no problems at all, even with the SCSI chain full. 

> 3) Are these drives of unusual size (DOUS)? Might there be a problem with

No - fairly standard 2GB and 4GB ones.

> 4) If you pur the drives back in your previous system, will they boot
there?

Havent tried this yet - but am off for a week so its a job for when I get
back. They were working fine in the old box though and they still mount up 
fine on the new one.

> Is the previous system another SS20?

No - Its a Sparc 1+ - thinking about it it may have been a bit optimistic
to think it would work, but itis still the generic kernel so...

> 5) Do you have a spare drive you could try installing off of? The SCSI
> controller may be failing (longshot).

I can get one :)

If needs be I can move files about and reinstall the 2.6. I've kept
everything
fairly well split up just in case.

The boot -r isnt an option though as it just doesnt get that far.

S.

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From martin at dsres.com  Mon Aug 14 07:31:52 2000
From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:31:52 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11679.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Steve Doyle wrote:

> > Is the previous system another SS20?

> No - Its a Sparc 1+ - thinking about it it may have been a bit optimistic
> to think it would work, but itis still the generic kernel so...

SS1+ is sun4c architecture, but SS20 is sun4m. You need to get the sun4m
kernel bits, and the sun4m bootblock.

Since you have a tape drive and you say you've kept everything well
segregated, the best option is probably to back up your data and do
a proper reinstall.

You could also follow the procedure given in another recent post for
booting off the installation CDROM and installing the extra bits by hand.
(Chris Powell's message <200008140851.JAA03609 at brian.psc>)

> The boot -r isnt an option though as it just doesnt get that far.

You said you can boot off CDROM. Just type L1-A when you get the
`booting from ...' message. Type boot -r at that prompt. I don't think
that is your problem, though.

HTH.

--m




From MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com  Mon Aug 14 07:31:52 2000
From: MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com (MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:31:52 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] Sparc 20 woes
Message-ID: <mailman.11680.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Steve Doyle wrote:

> > Is the previous system another SS20?

> No - Its a Sparc 1+ - thinking about it it may have been a bit optimistic
> to think it would work, but itis still the generic kernel so...

SS1+ is sun4c architecture, but SS20 is sun4m. You need to get the sun4m
kernel bits, and the sun4m bootblock.

Since you have a tape drive and you say you've kept everything well
segregated, the best option is probably to back up your data and do
a proper reinstall.

You could also follow the procedure given in another recent post for
booting off the installation CDROM and installing the extra bits by hand.
(Chris Powell's message <200008140851.JAA03609 at brian.psc>)

> The boot -r isnt an option though as it just doesnt get that far.

You said you can boot off CDROM. Just type L1-A when you get the
`booting from ...' message. Type boot -r at that prompt. I don't think
that is your problem, though.

HTH.

--m




From martin at dsres.com  Mon Aug 14 07:46:05 2000
From: martin at dsres.com (Martin Frost)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:46:05 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] Contest suggestion
Message-ID: <mailman.11681.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:

> Had a suggestion - any chance we can create a Sunhelp.org RC5 team
> on distributed.net?  I'm part of the OS/2 team, but like the OS,
> the team mailing list and website seems to be dead also.

One issue: if you're doing RC5 on SPARCs, you'll struggle to keep up
with the PC people, due to the lack of hardware rotate.

(Amusingly, the better sun3 machines can outperform some early sun4
machines on this, because the 68020 and 68030 did have hardware rotate.)

Suns should do much better on the floating-point based things, like
SETI at home (if that's still going).

--m




From MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com  Mon Aug 14 07:46:05 2000
From: MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com (MartinFrostmartin at dsres.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 13:46:05 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] Contest suggestion
Message-ID: <mailman.11682.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Paul Khoury - Tech Support wrote:

> Had a suggestion - any chance we can create a Sunhelp.org RC5 team
> on distributed.net?  I'm part of the OS/2 team, but like the OS,
> the team mailing list and website seems to be dead also.

One issue: if you're doing RC5 on SPARCs, you'll struggle to keep up
with the PC people, due to the lack of hardware rotate.

(Amusingly, the better sun3 machines can outperform some early sun4
machines on this, because the 68020 and 68030 did have hardware rotate.)

Suns should do much better on the floating-point based things, like
SETI at home (if that's still going).

--m




From mrbill at mrbill.net  Mon Aug 14 09:44:40 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:44:40 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11683.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 03:37:25AM -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote:
> WTF?
> Mike N

Argh, they're even subscribing to the lists to spam now.

Bill

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From BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net  Mon Aug 14 09:44:40 2000
From: BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net (BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 09:44:40 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11684.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 03:37:25AM -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote:
> WTF?
> Mike N

Argh, they're even subscribing to the lists to spam now.

Bill

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From P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk  Mon Aug 14 09:59:42 2000
From: P.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.Osborne)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:59:42 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11685.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:44:40AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> 
> Argh, they're even subscribing to the lists to spam now.


Well at least it takes the load off their mail server.  :-)

--Paul
--yes we occasionally get the same think here.




From P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk  Mon Aug 14 09:59:42 2000
From: P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk (P.A.OsborneP.A.Osborne at ukc.ac.uk)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 15:59:42 +0100
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11686.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 09:44:40AM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote:
> 
> Argh, they're even subscribing to the lists to spam now.


Well at least it takes the load off their mail server.  :-)

--Paul
--yes we occasionally get the same think here.




From druaga at pmail.net  Mon Aug 14 10:49:57 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:49:57 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11687.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Anybody a Mailabuse member?  I am!  *chuckles evilly*

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Bill Bradford
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:45 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT
CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE


On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 03:37:25AM -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote:
> WTF?
> Mike N

Argh, they're even subscribing to the lists to spam now.

Bill

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From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Mon Aug 14 10:49:57 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 10:49:57 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE
Message-ID: <mailman.11688.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Anybody a Mailabuse member?  I am!  *chuckles evilly*

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Bill Bradford
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 9:45 AM
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Subject: Re: [SunRescue] ECONOMISITI INTRE 50%-80% DIN BUGETUL DESTINAT
CONVORBIRILOR INTERNATIONALE


On Mon, Aug 14, 2000 at 03:37:25AM -0400, Mike Nicewonger wrote:
> WTF?
> Mike N

Argh, they're even subscribing to the lists to spam now.

Bill

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From Chris_Powell at mitel.com  Mon Aug 14 11:03:24 2000
From: Chris_Powell at mitel.com (Chris Powell)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:03:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] How to find filesystem on disk with no labels
Message-ID: <mailman.11689.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hello,

Is there any way to create a disk label by examining the disk and finding
filesystems? I've got a disk with hosed labels and I can't find labels
either.

Easy to recover the first partition by putting any old label in and
fsck'ing. How do I find the 'g' partition???

This is Solaris 2.7 by the way.


Chris.




From ChrisPowellChris_Powell at mitel.com  Mon Aug 14 11:03:24 2000
From: ChrisPowellChris_Powell at mitel.com (ChrisPowellChris_Powell at mitel.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 17:03:24 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [SunRescue] How to find filesystem on disk with no labels
Message-ID: <mailman.11690.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Hello,

Is there any way to create a disk label by examining the disk and finding
filesystems? I've got a disk with hosed labels and I can't find labels
either.

Easy to recover the first partition by putting any old label in and
fsck'ing. How do I find the 'g' partition???

This is Solaris 2.7 by the way.


Chris.




From Bruce.A.Pullig at usa.conoco.com  Mon Aug 14 16:16:37 2000
From: Bruce.A.Pullig at usa.conoco.com (Pullig, Bruce A.)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:16:37 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] When IDE != IDE
Message-ID: <mailman.11691.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I put a 15GB IDE from Best Buy in my Ultra 10.  I haven't had any problems!

-
Bruce Pullig
UNIX/NetWare Support
CSC Midland, Texas 
(915) 686-5517
ETN: 644-5517
bruce.a.pullig at usa.conoco.com
bpullig at csc.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bill Bradford [SMTP:mrbill at mrbill.net]
> Sent:	Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:07 PM
> To:	rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject:	Re: [SunRescue] When IDE != IDE
> 
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 11:45:33PM +0000, Martin Wedel -SR wrote:
> > Hi all, 
> >     Just to clarify something, in the Ultra5/10 series, do the IDE
> devices
> > include special firmware code, or are they just standard off the shelf
> > goodies that have been rebadged?
> > Thanks!
> 
> When I built my Ultra 5 from a barebones box almost a year ago, I just
> put in a standard Seagate 8.4gig IDE HD and a Toshiba 40x CD-ROM and
> they worked fine (keep in mind that each device has its own separate 
> IDE channel, and slave IDE devices - like having two HDs on the first
> IDE controller - is unsupported by Sun, but people have reported success
> doing it).
> 
> I beleive on older U5/U10s, you have to have the OpenBoot ROM firmware
> upgrade (available as a "patch" from sun to re-flash your ROM) to use
> / recognize disks greater than 8.4gig.  I have no idea if anyone has
> successfully used one of the newer huge IDE drives (17gig+) on a
> U5/U10.
> 
> Bill
> 
> --
> +-------------------\ /-----------------+
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From Pullig  Mon Aug 14 16:16:37 2000
From: Pullig (Pullig)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:16:37 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] When IDE != IDE
Message-ID: <mailman.11692.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I put a 15GB IDE from Best Buy in my Ultra 10.  I haven't had any problems!

-
Bruce Pullig
UNIX/NetWare Support
CSC Midland, Texas 
(915) 686-5517
ETN: 644-5517
bruce.a.pullig at usa.conoco.com
bpullig at csc.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Bill Bradford [SMTP:mrbill at mrbill.net]
> Sent:	Saturday, August 12, 2000 10:07 PM
> To:	rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject:	Re: [SunRescue] When IDE != IDE
> 
> On Sat, Aug 12, 2000 at 11:45:33PM +0000, Martin Wedel -SR wrote:
> > Hi all, 
> >     Just to clarify something, in the Ultra5/10 series, do the IDE
> devices
> > include special firmware code, or are they just standard off the shelf
> > goodies that have been rebadged?
> > Thanks!
> 
> When I built my Ultra 5 from a barebones box almost a year ago, I just
> put in a standard Seagate 8.4gig IDE HD and a Toshiba 40x CD-ROM and
> they worked fine (keep in mind that each device has its own separate 
> IDE channel, and slave IDE devices - like having two HDs on the first
> IDE controller - is unsupported by Sun, but people have reported success
> doing it).
> 
> I beleive on older U5/U10s, you have to have the OpenBoot ROM firmware
> upgrade (available as a "patch" from sun to re-flash your ROM) to use
> / recognize disks greater than 8.4gig.  I have no idea if anyone has
> successfully used one of the newer huge IDE drives (17gig+) on a
> U5/U10.
> 
> Bill
> 
> --
> +-------------------\ /-----------------+
> | Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
> | mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
> | Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
> +-------------------/ \-----------------+
> _______________________________________________
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From dbarile at interserv.com  Mon Aug 14 19:19:06 2000
From: dbarile at interserv.com (Darryl Barile)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:19:06 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] WTT: SGI Indy for DEC Alpha
Message-ID: <mailman.11693.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Would you consider a 3000-300lx??


----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill at mrbill.net>
To: <workstations at workstations.org>; <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 11:31 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] WTT: SGI Indy for DEC Alpha


> I've got a barebones (needs RAM, HD, kb, mouse, monitor, but uses standard
> PS2 keyboards and mice) SGI Indy with a 100 or 150mhz R4400PC CPU (havent
> checked it lately) and an 8bit framebuffer, that I'd like to trade for an
> equivalent DEC Alpha system (something like a low-end 3000 box; no
Multias,
> please...)
>
> Bill
>
> --
> +-------------------\ /-----------------+
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> | mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
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> +-------------------/ \-----------------+
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From DarrylBariledbarile at interserv.com  Mon Aug 14 19:19:06 2000
From: DarrylBariledbarile at interserv.com (DarrylBariledbarile at interserv.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 20:19:06 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] WTT: SGI Indy for DEC Alpha
Message-ID: <mailman.11694.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Would you consider a 3000-300lx??


----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill at mrbill.net>
To: <workstations at workstations.org>; <rescue at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 11:31 PM
Subject: [SunRescue] WTT: SGI Indy for DEC Alpha


> I've got a barebones (needs RAM, HD, kb, mouse, monitor, but uses standard
> PS2 keyboards and mice) SGI Indy with a 100 or 150mhz R4400PC CPU (havent
> checked it lately) and an 8bit framebuffer, that I'd like to trade for an
> equivalent DEC Alpha system (something like a low-end 3000 box; no
Multias,
> please...)
>
> Bill
>
> --
> +-------------------\ /-----------------+
> | Bill Bradford      |  www.sunhelp.org |
> | mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
> | Austin, Texas USA  |    www.pdp11.org |
> +-------------------/ \-----------------+
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From hyena at interport.net  Tue Aug 15 04:53:59 2000
From: hyena at interport.net (Chris Drelich)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:53:59 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11695.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I turned it on for
the first time in about a year, intent on taking some pictures.  I flicked the
switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke pouring out of the
system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was fine, and was just
powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being plugged into the
SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone before or if
anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity really, the death
of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get more then $20 for it
on ebay.
Chris




From ChrisDrelichhyena at interport.net  Tue Aug 15 04:53:59 2000
From: ChrisDrelichhyena at interport.net (ChrisDrelichhyena at interport.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 05:53:59 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11696.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I turned it on for
the first time in about a year, intent on taking some pictures.  I flicked the
switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke pouring out of the
system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was fine, and was just
powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being plugged into the
SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone before or if
anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity really, the death
of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get more then $20 for it
on ebay.
Chris




From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Tue Aug 15 07:07:46 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:07:46 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Note on HP server (seems cheap to me)
Message-ID: <mailman.11697.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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Ken

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From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Tue Aug 15 07:07:46 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:07:46 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] Note on HP server (seems cheap to me)
Message-ID: <mailman.11698.1174460366.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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Came across this listing at teksell.com: An HP Enterprise G30 server =
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with terminal and keyboard. Price/starting bid is $350.

For $350, that seems like a lot of RAM... But a 48 Mhz CPU? I don't know =
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Ken

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From ed_mitchell at adc.com  Tue Aug 15 08:03:39 2000
From: ed_mitchell at adc.com (ed_mitchell at adc.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:03:39 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Note on HP server (seems cheap to me)
Message-ID: <mailman.11699.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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Hrmmm...I wonder if it comes in the 1.6m 'refrigerator'...that would be
sorta cool to have. :)

I'm no HP hardware expert, but I believe that chip is in the same
family/generation as the G60-series boxes, one of which we have at work.
Very robust and fairly speedly for a low-speed chip.

Now I needs $350...heh



From: "Ken Hansen" <n2vip at bellatlantic.net> on 08/15/2000 12:07 PM GMT

Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org

To:   rescue at sunhelp.org
cc:    (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram)
Subject:  [SunRescue] Note on HP server (seems cheap to me)




Came across this listing at teksell.com: An HP Enterprise G30 server w/256
Meg RAM, 2 Gig DAT, 4 Gig (2x2 Gig) HD and a 48 Mhz CPU, along with
terminal and keyboard. Price/starting bid is $350.

For $350, that seems like a lot of RAM... But a 48 Mhz CPU? I don't know HP
platforms, but I thought some here might be interested...

Ken

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From ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell  Tue Aug 15 08:03:39 2000
From: ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell (ed_mitchell at adc.comed_mitchell)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 06:03:39 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] Note on HP server (seems cheap to me)
Message-ID: <mailman.11700.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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Hrmmm...I wonder if it comes in the 1.6m 'refrigerator'...that would be
sorta cool to have. :)

I'm no HP hardware expert, but I believe that chip is in the same
family/generation as the G60-series boxes, one of which we have at work.
Very robust and fairly speedly for a low-speed chip.

Now I needs $350...heh



From: "Ken Hansen" <n2vip at bellatlantic.net> on 08/15/2000 12:07 PM GMT

Please respond to rescue at sunhelp.org

To:   rescue at sunhelp.org
cc:    (bcc: Ed Mitchell/US/Centigram)
Subject:  [SunRescue] Note on HP server (seems cheap to me)




Came across this listing at teksell.com: An HP Enterprise G30 server w/256
Meg RAM, 2 Gig DAT, 4 Gig (2x2 Gig) HD and a 48 Mhz CPU, along with
terminal and keyboard. Price/starting bid is $350.

For $350, that seems like a lot of RAM... But a 48 Mhz CPU? I don't know HP
platforms, but I thought some here might be interested...

Ken

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From druaga at pmail.net  Tue Aug 15 10:45:05 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:45:05 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CDs I've shipped out...
Message-ID: <mailman.11701.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

To all of you that got copies of Solaris 2.3 from me I also just received a
copy of the Solaris 2.3 System AnswerBook.  Please let me know if you need a
copy of this also.

Mike Hebel





From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Tue Aug 15 10:45:05 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:45:05 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] CDs I've shipped out...
Message-ID: <mailman.11702.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

To all of you that got copies of Solaris 2.3 from me I also just received a
copy of the Solaris 2.3 System AnswerBook.  Please let me know if you need a
copy of this also.

Mike Hebel





From GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Aug 15 10:54:24 2000
From: GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (Gregory Leblanc)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:54:24 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11703.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Drelich [mailto:hyena at interport.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 2:54 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
> 
> I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I 
> turned it on for
> the first time in about a year, intent on taking some 
> pictures.  I flicked the
> switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke 
> pouring out of the
> system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was 

Oh dear, you've let out the Magic Smoke (tm).  :-)  

> fine, and was just
> powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being 
> plugged into the
> SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone 
> before or if
> anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity 
> really, the death
> of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get 
> more then $20 for it
> on ebay.

Assuming that the SLC is like my ELC, there are plenty of things that could
break.  Take out the board, and look for things that are burnt, it may be
possible to fix it just be replacing a few capacitors.  If it's not obvious
what's burnt, then it may be a bit harder to fix.  Later,
	Greg




From GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu  Tue Aug 15 10:54:24 2000
From: GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu (GregoryLeblancGLeblanc at cu-portland.edu)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:54:24 -0700
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11704.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Drelich [mailto:hyena at interport.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 2:54 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
> 
> I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I 
> turned it on for
> the first time in about a year, intent on taking some 
> pictures.  I flicked the
> switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke 
> pouring out of the
> system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was 

Oh dear, you've let out the Magic Smoke (tm).  :-)  

> fine, and was just
> powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being 
> plugged into the
> SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone 
> before or if
> anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity 
> really, the death
> of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get 
> more then $20 for it
> on ebay.

Assuming that the SLC is like my ELC, there are plenty of things that could
break.  Take out the board, and look for things that are burnt, it may be
possible to fix it just be replacing a few capacitors.  If it's not obvious
what's burnt, then it may be a bit harder to fix.  Later,
	Greg




From shatle at vue.com  Tue Aug 15 11:02:18 2000
From: shatle at vue.com (Hatle, Steven J.)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:02:18 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11705.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

SLC's and ELC's are a bitch to take apart and get to the PS and video
circuitry. I hate to give up on old hardware, but take my word for it: toss
it and move on.  <grin>

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Leblanc [mailto:GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:54 AM
To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org'
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Drelich [mailto:hyena at interport.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 2:54 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
> 
> I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I 
> turned it on for
> the first time in about a year, intent on taking some 
> pictures.  I flicked the
> switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke 
> pouring out of the
> system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was 

Oh dear, you've let out the Magic Smoke (tm).  :-)  

> fine, and was just
> powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being 
> plugged into the
> SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone 
> before or if
> anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity 
> really, the death
> of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get 
> more then $20 for it
> on ebay.

Assuming that the SLC is like my ELC, there are plenty of things that could
break.  Take out the board, and look for things that are burnt, it may be
possible to fix it just be replacing a few capacitors.  If it's not obvious
what's burnt, then it may be a bit harder to fix.  Later,
	Greg
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From Hatle  Tue Aug 15 11:02:18 2000
From: Hatle (Hatle)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:02:18 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11706.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

SLC's and ELC's are a bitch to take apart and get to the PS and video
circuitry. I hate to give up on old hardware, but take my word for it: toss
it and move on.  <grin>

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Leblanc [mailto:GLeblanc at cu-portland.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:54 AM
To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org'
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Drelich [mailto:hyena at interport.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 2:54 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
> 
> I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I 
> turned it on for
> the first time in about a year, intent on taking some 
> pictures.  I flicked the
> switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke 
> pouring out of the
> system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was 

Oh dear, you've let out the Magic Smoke (tm).  :-)  

> fine, and was just
> powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being 
> plugged into the
> SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone 
> before or if
> anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity 
> really, the death
> of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get 
> more then $20 for it
> on ebay.

Assuming that the SLC is like my ELC, there are plenty of things that could
break.  Take out the board, and look for things that are burnt, it may be
possible to fix it just be replacing a few capacitors.  If it's not obvious
what's burnt, then it may be a bit harder to fix.  Later,
	Greg
_______________________________________________
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From druaga at pmail.net  Tue Aug 15 11:20:44 2000
From: druaga at pmail.net (Mike Hebel)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:20:44 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11707.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

After the Magic Smoke (tm) is released it's usually all over.

Seriously it's most likely, just a gut feel, the regulator in the flyback
circuit or something else in the power supply.  I've had quite a few
machines go up in smoke on me and it's usually been power supply related.
(Even smoked one mayself by plugging the P/S in backwards. ;-)  Hey, I was
young and foolish once...)

Regadless it's most likely not worth fixing.  If you're quick you can
probably easily replace it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=406615763

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Gregory Leblanc
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:54 AM
To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org'
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Drelich [mailto:hyena at interport.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 2:54 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
>
> I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I
> turned it on for
> the first time in about a year, intent on taking some
> pictures.  I flicked the
> switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke
> pouring out of the
> system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was

Oh dear, you've let out the Magic Smoke (tm).  :-)

> fine, and was just
> powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being
> plugged into the
> SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone
> before or if
> anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity
> really, the death
> of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get
> more then $20 for it
> on ebay.

Assuming that the SLC is like my ELC, there are plenty of things that could
break.  Take out the board, and look for things that are burnt, it may be
possible to fix it just be replacing a few capacitors.  If it's not obvious
what's burnt, then it may be a bit harder to fix.  Later,
	Greg
_______________________________________________
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From MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net  Tue Aug 15 11:20:44 2000
From: MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net (MikeHebeldruaga at pmail.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:20:44 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11708.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

After the Magic Smoke (tm) is released it's usually all over.

Seriously it's most likely, just a gut feel, the regulator in the flyback
circuit or something else in the power supply.  I've had quite a few
machines go up in smoke on me and it's usually been power supply related.
(Even smoked one mayself by plugging the P/S in backwards. ;-)  Hey, I was
young and foolish once...)

Regadless it's most likely not worth fixing.  If you're quick you can
probably easily replace it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=406615763

Mike Hebel

-----Original Message-----
From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
Behalf Of Gregory Leblanc
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 10:54 AM
To: 'rescue at sunhelp.org'
Subject: RE: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Drelich [mailto:hyena at interport.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 2:54 AM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
>
> I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I
> turned it on for
> the first time in about a year, intent on taking some
> pictures.  I flicked the
> switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke
> pouring out of the
> system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was

Oh dear, you've let out the Magic Smoke (tm).  :-)

> fine, and was just
> powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being
> plugged into the
> SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone
> before or if
> anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity
> really, the death
> of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get
> more then $20 for it
> on ebay.

Assuming that the SLC is like my ELC, there are plenty of things that could
break.  Take out the board, and look for things that are burnt, it may be
possible to fix it just be replacing a few capacitors.  If it's not obvious
what's burnt, then it may be a bit harder to fix.  Later,
	Greg
_______________________________________________
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http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/rescue





From n2vip at bellatlantic.net  Tue Aug 15 11:30:09 2000
From: n2vip at bellatlantic.net (Ken Hansen)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:30:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11709.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I say let it die - it is old, slow, and now broken.

Value-wise, there is none here - the unit is not worth
your time opening (I would suspect) *except* for idle
curiousity. If the PS is shot, a replacement will cost
*easily* as much as a replacement SLC.

Performance-wise, the machine still had a bit more useful
life in it, but are you really that hard up for a mono
x term of that vintage? (I know, you wanted to sell  the
unit, the question was meant retorically)

Annoyance-wise, it is a big box to walk-around while you
wait for a new part to arrive.

My advise - pull the RAM, put it on the curb or offer the
beast free for shipping cost if anyone is interested, and
if you have no use for the RAM, either sell it on ebay or
offer it here as a form of "organ donation" so that your
loss will not be total.

Now, if I could practice what I preach, my family would
have a much more usable basement...

Ken
(Who *still* slows down when I spy an IBM XT on the curb ;^)

------Original Message------
From: Chris Drelich <hyena at interport.net>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Sent: August 15, 2000 9:53:59 AM GMT
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire


I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I turned it on for
the first time in about a year, intent on taking some pictures.  I flicked
the
switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke pouring out of
the
system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was fine, and was
just
powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being plugged into
the
SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone before or if
anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity really, the
death
of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get more then $20 for
it
on ebay.
Chris
_______________________________________________
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From KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net  Tue Aug 15 11:30:09 2000
From: KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net (KenHansenn2vip at bellatlantic.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:30:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11710.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

I say let it die - it is old, slow, and now broken.

Value-wise, there is none here - the unit is not worth
your time opening (I would suspect) *except* for idle
curiousity. If the PS is shot, a replacement will cost
*easily* as much as a replacement SLC.

Performance-wise, the machine still had a bit more useful
life in it, but are you really that hard up for a mono
x term of that vintage? (I know, you wanted to sell  the
unit, the question was meant retorically)

Annoyance-wise, it is a big box to walk-around while you
wait for a new part to arrive.

My advise - pull the RAM, put it on the curb or offer the
beast free for shipping cost if anyone is interested, and
if you have no use for the RAM, either sell it on ebay or
offer it here as a form of "organ donation" so that your
loss will not be total.

Now, if I could practice what I preach, my family would
have a much more usable basement...

Ken
(Who *still* slows down when I spy an IBM XT on the curb ;^)

------Original Message------
From: Chris Drelich <hyena at interport.net>
To: rescue at sunhelp.org
Sent: August 15, 2000 9:53:59 AM GMT
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire


I was intent on selling my SparcStation SLC on ebay.  So, I turned it on for
the first time in about a year, intent on taking some pictures.  I flicked
the
switch, and heard a few crackling noises, followed by smoke pouring out of
the
system and a horrible smell.  It was not the cable, that was fine, and was
just
powering a different computer a few minutes prior to it being plugged into
the
SLC.  Im curious if anything like this has happened to anyone before or if
anyone know what might have caused it?  Just idle curiosity really, the
death
of the system is no big deal, and I never thought I'd get more then $20 for
it
on ebay.
Chris
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From nick at snowman.net  Tue Aug 15 12:30:11 2000
From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Reseller question
Message-ID: <mailman.11711.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Has anyone dealt with the web site
"http://www.bodoman.com/unix/sun.html" before?  I am looking for parts
for a sparc 20 (memory, procs, bios) and his prices look very good.
	Thanks
		Nick





From nick at snowman.netnick  Tue Aug 15 12:30:11 2000
From: nick at snowman.netnick (nick at snowman.netnick)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Reseller question
Message-ID: <mailman.11712.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Has anyone dealt with the web site
"http://www.bodoman.com/unix/sun.html" before?  I am looking for parts
for a sparc 20 (memory, procs, bios) and his prices look very good.
	Thanks
		Nick





From apotter at icsa.net  Tue Aug 15 12:34:15 2000
From: apotter at icsa.net (apotter at icsa.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:34:15 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11713.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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From: apotter at icsa.netapotter (apotter at icsa.netapotter)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:34:15 -0400
Subject: [SunRescue] SparcStations on Fire
Message-ID: <mailman.11714.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

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From mrbill at mrbill.net  Tue Aug 15 12:37:01 2000
From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:37:01 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Reseller question
Message-ID: <mailman.11715.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:30:11PM -0400, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> Has anyone dealt with the web site
> "http://www.bodoman.com/unix/sun.html" before?  I am looking for parts
> for a sparc 20 (memory, procs, bios) and his prices look very good.
> 	Thanks
> 		Nick

Bodoman is reputable.  I havent heard of him ever ripping anyone off.

Bill

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From BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net  Tue Aug 15 12:37:01 2000
From: BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net (BillBradfordmrbill at mrbill.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 12:37:01 -0500
Subject: [SunRescue] Reseller question
Message-ID: <mailman.11716.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:30:11PM -0400, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> Has anyone dealt with the web site
> "http://www.bodoman.com/unix/sun.html" before?  I am looking for parts
> for a sparc 20 (memory, procs, bios) and his prices look very good.
> 	Thanks
> 		Nick

Bodoman is reputable.  I havent heard of him ever ripping anyone off.

Bill

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From nick at snowman.net  Tue Aug 15 12:44:45 2000
From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Reseller question
Message-ID: <mailman.11717.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Thanks much.
	Nick

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:30:11PM -0400, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > Has anyone dealt with the web site
> > "http://www.bodoman.com/unix/sun.html" before?  I am looking for parts
> > for a sparc 20 (memory, procs, bios) and his prices look very good.
> > 	Thanks
> > 		Nick
> 
> Bodoman is reputable.  I havent heard of him ever ripping anyone off.
> 
> Bill
> 
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From nick at snowman.netnick  Tue Aug 15 12:44:45 2000
From: nick at snowman.netnick (nick at snowman.netnick)
Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 13:44:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SunRescue] Reseller question
Message-ID: <mailman.11718.1174460367.22707.rescue@sunhelp.org>

Thanks much.
	Nick

On Tue, 15 Aug 2000, Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 01:30:11PM -0400, nick at snowman.net wrote:
> > Has anyone dealt with the web site
> > "http://www.bodoman.com/unix/sun.html" before?  I am looking for parts
> > for a sparc 20 (memory, procs, bios) and his prices look very good.
> > 	Thanks
> > 		Nick
> 
> Bodoman is reputable.  I havent heard of him ever ripping anyone off.
> 
> Bill
> 
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> +-------------------\ /-----------------+
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> | mrbill at mrbill.net  |   www.decvax.org |
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