[SunRescue] Re: Speaking of SGI equipment...

Chris Kozlowski razer at ultra.darkcartel.com
Thu Dec 16 15:41:45 CST 1999

What's so great about the NT GUI?  Windowmaker and fvwm2 are
equally happy as far as I'm concerned.  Better in some ways.

I used my SPARCbook as my primary laptop for six months while
my Compaq was getting fixed.  Got so used to Solaris that 
I could not even go back to Linux happily after I got my
machine back, despite the obvious superiority -- 266 mhz,
built-in CD-ROM, lighter, bigger screen... 

Oddly, my SPARCbook @ 110mhz seems to run Solaris faster
than the Compaq @ 266mhz can run Linux.  Figure that one out.

Good UI like NT.  Hehehe.  Next you'll be telling us "Good UI
like MacOS".  *grin*


"Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to 
be normal."  Albert Camus

On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Eric Ozrelic wrote:

> Someone needs to make an operating system with the networking
> power of Unix, with a good UI like NT, and speed like BeOS. I'm sick
> and tired of trying different OS's. I've pretty much installed
> everything and I can't find anything that I at least 75% like.
> Uhhhhggggg!!!! I'm also sick of everyone fighting over operating
> systems, I think they all suck for the most part (I know I'll get
> flamed for that last statement). Let's go back to the Altair :-)
> Really Disgruntled,
> Eric The Red
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rescue-admin at sunhelp.org [mailto:rescue-admin at sunhelp.org]On
> Behalf Of David Champion
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 12:44 PM
> To: rescue at sunhelp.org
> Subject: [SunRescue] Re: Speaking of SGI equipment...
> On 1999.12.16, in <99121614032308.00295 at vault.neurotica.com>,
> 	"Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Eric Ozrelic wrote:
> > >Does anyone like to run Irix? Is it a good OS and
> > >does it run fast on...let's say an Indigo 2 250mhz system with
> > >64 mb ram? I'm trying to decided if I want to buy one to play
> > >with or not. Does anyone know any good SGI hardware references
> > >or breakdowns?
> http://www-viz.tamu.edu/~sgi-faq/
> http://www.reputable.com/indytech.html
> >   I've had a Sun of one sort or another on my desk for the past eight
> years.
> > Until just recently, that is.  Now my desktop platform, at home and at
> work, is
> > an Indigo2 (R4400/250, 128-192mb RAM) running Irix 6.5.
> >
> >   It consistently runs rings around my SS20/81s.  I'm a diehard Sun
> fanatic but
> SS20 @85 v. I2 @250?  Well... yeah.  Of course it's faster.  You
> probakly don't have 192 MB in your SS20 either. :)
> > these machines are simply TOO MUCH better to ignore them.  AMAZING
> graphics
> But they're not much better, if any, than a more modern Sun piece.
> > capabilities, great sound support, great SCSI performance, wonderfully
> fast CPU.
> The gfx are good, though nothing exceptional by modern PC standards.
> The SCSI is ok, but IRIX is historically a little flaky on that (as
> well as on some other points).
> >   Irix takes a bit of getting used to if you're a BSD person...but it's
> quite
> > nice when you get used to it, and it's very, very fast.
> No more getting-used-to than Solaris.  IRIX is weird, no doubt about
> it, but it's not any weirder than any other non-BSD OS if you're a BSD
> person.
> I've spent several years with IRIX -- 1.5 or so around the 5.2-6.0 time
> frame, and, more recently, 8 months or so with anywhere from 6.2 to
> 6.5.3.  I loved IRIX for a while, and that was with no graphics head.
> <flamebait>But all I had to compare with was SunOS, HP-UX 7/8/9, OSF/1,
> Linux, etc., so of course I would.</flamebait>  After using Solaris a
> few years, I found I couldn't stand dealing with all the wacko,
> cokeheaded eccentricities of IRIX and the SGI hardware.  They made me
> very angry, with regularity.  Software that worked everywhere else with
> no special mods took weird --not hard, just bizarre -- patches for
> IRIX; strange things would happen on SCSI busses for no obvious reason,
> driveers would fail, patch, work, fail, patch, work, then be obsoleted
> on one piece of hardware by one OS release and by another OS release
> for another pience of hardware.  XFS didn't work right for years.  I'm
> trying not to write a full list of IRIX's flaws.
> I haven't been using IRIX for about 6 months now.  I miss it.  I really
> miss it.  It was a lot of fun.  I will be greatly saddened when SGI go
> under, but I can say they're getting what they deserve.
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