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Wed May 6 06:14:52 CDT 2009
On May 6, 2009, at 3:04 AM, Mike Meredith <very at zonky.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 5 May 2009 21:46:49 -0400, Lionel Peterson wrote:
>> Are you saying it has to be a "planned" anarchy, ones that evolve
>> out of a failed state don't count?
> Yes. Oh I dare say that you can find some anarchists who believe that
> an anarchist society can evolve out of a failed state, but they're not
> in a majority.
Have anarchists been polled?
>> I don't think I agree with that, isn't anarchy the exact opposite of
>> a formal "state", making them mutually exclusive?
> Many anarchists believe that an anarchist society has to replace
> many of the functions of the state. You could claim it is the opposite
> of a formal state, or you could claim it is effectively an anarchist
I can't imagine how an anarchist "state" could be "formed" - even the
simplist of agreements would preclude that:
Rule number 1: We agree there are no rules, anyone that establishes a
rule is in violation of this rule...
> Associating Somalia with anarchy is equivalent to claiming anarchists
> want to live in a place that looks like Somalia ... something which is
> patently false.
What? No one said the current situiation in Somalis was the result of
an organized decision, it was, most likely, the direct result of a
lack of an organized decision on the part of the Somali citizenry.
> Part of the problem is that there are at least two
> definitions of "anarchy" ... the dictionary definition and the
> definition used by anarchists.
> Incidentally associating Somalia with anarchy is also quite wrong
> because the current situation in Somalia is blatantly a situation with
> several mini-states.
I would counter that AFAIK there is no central Gov't in Somalia, and
that these so-called "mini-states" are more likely attempts to survive
in a country with no other form of governance. What you call a "mini-
state" could easily be little more than an extended family, armed, and
living in either an isolated region or behind a wall.
> 0: There are revolutionary anarchists who believe in revolution to get
> to the anarchist society. This is a rather specialised form of
> evolving an anarchist society from a failed state. And was
> particularly popular at the time of Tsarist Russia which
> interestingly enough is the form of society you get if you leave a
> failed state such as Somalia to stew for several centuries.
I defer to GSM's earlier note on the Russian revolutions, that is an
aknowledged gap in my education - I've never been able to watch Dr.
Zivago from start to finish... ;^)
> 1: There's almost as many kinds of anarchism as there are anarchists.
Again, that almost has to be the case, as soon as the anarchists all
got together and codified their beliefs, anarchism would becom
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