From swallbridge at franticfilms.com Tue Oct 1 01:56:58 2002 From: swallbridge at franticfilms.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 01:56:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] HD question Message-ID: <61387.24.66.68.209.1033455418.squirrel@mail.franticfilms.com> what kind of drive does THIS look like? http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=909303288 shawn From jp at celestrion.net Tue Oct 1 02:11:04 2002 From: jp at celestrion.net (Jonathan C. Patschke) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 02:11:04 -0500 Subject: [geeks] HD question In-Reply-To: <61387.24.66.68.209.1033455418.squirrel@mail.franticfilms.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Oct 2002, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > what kind of drive does THIS look like? > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=909303288 Given the pin-count and the number of config jumpers, I'd say it's narrow SCSI-II. Given the position of the torx fasteners on the motor, the color of the rear connectors, the layout of the logic board, the bank of voltage-regulators at the front, and at least one ASIC that I recognize, I'd say that it's a circa 1993-1994 Conner hard drive, quite possibly the CP30204 or a similar drive in that line. Why do you ask? -- Jonathan Patschke "you know, there are people who like having potatoes and jellyjars shoved up their asses. there are also people who like coding in c. at any rate, why not pay somebody to hack your c instead of taking the jellyjar in your ass?" --alex j avriette From mcguire at neurotica.com Tue Oct 1 02:13:39 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 03:13:39 -0400 Subject: [geeks] HD question In-Reply-To: <61387.24.66.68.209.1033455418.squirrel@mail.franticfilms.com> Message-ID: <4F754468-D50D-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 02:56 AM, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > what kind of drive does THIS look like? > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=909303288 Hmm, I have an EMAX II...not a IIHD, the one with SCSI. I wonder if this can be retrofitted. 8-) Oh, kinda looks like the bottom of a Connor drive to me. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Tue Oct 1 12:22:15 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 13:22:15 -0400 Subject: [geeks] CS GREs cancled for year Message-ID: <20021001172215.GA27552@cs.millersville.edu> http://www.ets.org/news/02082602.html Well, not all of them, but a lot. -- Joshua D. Boyd From mcguire at neurotica.com Tue Oct 1 15:49:24 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:49:24 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS Message-ID: <44F8B9DF-D57F-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> I know there are some people here who have Apple LaserWriter 16/600PS printers, but I don't recall who offhand. I have a dumb question about them. I'm moving a few things around on my network, and I need to be able to print to this printer via TCP/IP from a different network. There doesn't seem to be a way to set a default gateway, though...only the IP address. My printer has Rev. 1.0 firmware (both PS and I/O). Is there someone with a later firmware release that can check to see if it has support for real routing? And if so, can I get a copy of that firmware? Thanks, -Dave -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From woods at weird.com Tue Oct 1 16:27:48 2002 From: woods at weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS In-Reply-To: <44F8B9DF-D57F-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> References: <44F8B9DF-D57F-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> Message-ID: <20021001212748.CC710A@proven.weird.com> [ On Tuesday, October 1, 2002 at 16:49:24 (-0400), Dave McGuire wrote: ] > Subject: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS > > I know there are some people here who have Apple LaserWriter 16/600PS > printers, but I don't recall who offhand. ME me ME! Pick ME! :-) > I have a dumb question about > them. I'm moving a few things around on my network, and I need to be > able to print to this printer via TCP/IP from a different network. Why not install netatalk on some BSD-LPR capable unix host on that network and then spool through it? You get much better support for printing that way (eg. printed page accounting which actually works, proper error and status messages, etc.). The LPR implementation in the printer basically stinks. You could also probably set up better security much more easily for remote printing that way too, if that's a concern. > There doesn't seem to be a way to set a default gateway, though...only > the IP address. Hmmm.... It should work. Here's what I see when I telnet to it and select the "Display TCP/IP Info..." menu: **************************************************************************** LaserWriter 16/600 PS TCP/IP Interface Information Interface Status : Ready PostScript Banner Page : Disabled IP Address : Using network protocol (204.92.254.253) Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0 Default Gateway : 204.92.254.6 Timeout Checking : Enabled Ethernet Address : 08:00:07:44:48:EC To return to main menu, press Enter. **************************************************************************** (I set the gateway to my main default gateway so I could test my firewall :-) > My printer has Rev. 1.0 firmware (both PS and I/O). Hmmm... I thought the 1.0 I/O PROMs were the same, but then again I may have had the 2.0 version before..... I can't seem to get my hands on an old configuration page at the moment, or find the old PROMs. > Is there someone > with a later firmware release that can check to see if it has support > for real routing? And if so, can I get a copy of that firmware? You can buy the new firmware from Apple for about $20. That's what I did. The following old Tech Tip contains the part number: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=20305 See also: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=18452 I don't know if the PROM burner I have (but have never used before) can copy PROMs, and if not then I've no easy way to read the 3.0 PROM I have (and I'm not lending it out to anyone for any amount of time! :-) If I can find the old PROM, and if it is 2.0, and if it does support a default gateway, then you can have it though. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; ; Planix, Inc. ; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird From mcguire at neurotica.com Tue Oct 1 16:40:44 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:40:44 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS In-Reply-To: <20021001212748.CC710A@proven.weird.com> Message-ID: <70B95CA2-D586-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 05:27 PM, Greg A. Woods wrote: >> Subject: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS >> >> I know there are some people here who have Apple LaserWriter >> 16/600PS >> printers, but I don't recall who offhand. > > ME me ME! Pick ME! :-) Weirdo. ;) > Why not install netatalk on some BSD-LPR capable unix host on that > network and then spool through it? You get much better support for > printing that way (eg. printed page accounting which actually works, > proper error and status messages, etc.). The LPR implementation in the > printer basically stinks. You could also probably set up better > security much more easily for remote printing that way too, if that's a > concern. I just didn't want to go through the trouble. Last I heard, netatalk had lots of 64-bit issues, and most of the machines here that I could use for that task are Alphas. >> There doesn't seem to be a way to set a default gateway, though...only >> the IP address. > > Hmmm.... It should work. Here's what I see when I telnet to it and > select the "Display TCP/IP Info..." menu: I'm doing it via the Apple Printer Utility under MacOS 9. Why? Because I don't have the password required to telnet to the printer. :-( Are you aware of a way around that? > You can buy the new firmware from Apple for about $20. That's what I > did. Hmm, I might do that. > I don't know if the PROM burner I have (but have never used before) can > copy PROMs, and if not then I've no easy way to read the 3.0 PROM I > have > (and I'm not lending it out to anyone for any amount of time! :-) Understood. I've never seen a prom burner that couln't copy, though. > If I can find the old PROM, and if it is 2.0, and if it does support a > default gateway, then you can have it though. That would be great! Thanks! -Dave -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From woods at weird.com Tue Oct 1 17:17:21 2002 From: woods at weird.com (Greg A. Woods) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS In-Reply-To: <70B95CA2-D586-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> References: <20021001212748.CC710A@proven.weird.com> <70B95CA2-D586-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> Message-ID: <20021001221721.5FAE4A@proven.weird.com> [ On Tuesday, October 1, 2002 at 17:40:44 (-0400), Dave McGuire wrote: ] > Subject: Re: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS > > I just didn't want to go through the trouble. Last I heard, netatalk > had lots of 64-bit issues, and most of the machines here that I could > use for that task are Alphas. Rumour has it that the latest works on NetBSD/sparc64, but I haven't tried yet.... > >> There doesn't seem to be a way to set a default gateway, though...only > >> the IP address. > > > > Hmmm.... It should work. Here's what I see when I telnet to it and > > select the "Display TCP/IP Info..." menu: > > I'm doing it via the Apple Printer Utility under MacOS 9. Why? > Because I don't have the password required to telnet to the printer. > :-( Are you aware of a way around that? The manual says this in the troubleshooting section: The printer administrator forgot the password for the TCP/IP Printer Configuration Utility. See the service information that came with your pinter to learn how to get in touch with Apple. However if I remember right there's a low-level reset switch hidden on the main control board and it might reset the password. If you haven't opened one up before I strongly recommend checking the manual first (the PDF should still be available online from Apple). I think installing the new ROM reset the password too. The M$-Windows setup tool supposedly lets you change the password.... but maybe it requires the old one first.... -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098; ; Planix, Inc. ; VE3TCP; Secrets of the Weird From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 1 17:21:09 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 15:21:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] HD question In-Reply-To: <61387.24.66.68.209.1033455418.squirrel@mail.franticfilms.com> Message-ID: <20021001222109.8963.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> IIRC, any std 50 pin SCSI drive will work... THink they pulled that from an old IPC? ;^) Lionel --- Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > what kind of drive does THIS look like? > > http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=909303288 ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From andrew at sydelko.org Tue Oct 1 22:51:06 2002 From: andrew at sydelko.org (Andrew Sydelko) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:51:06 -0500 Subject: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS In-Reply-To: <70B95CA2-D586-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> References: <20021001212748.CC710A@proven.weird.com> <70B95CA2-D586-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> Message-ID: <20021001225106.6eb287b4.andrew@sydelko.org> On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 17:40:44 -0400 Dave McGuire wrote: > On Tuesday, October 1, 2002, at 05:27 PM, Greg A. Woods wrote: > >> Subject: [geeks] Apple Laserwriter 16/600PS > >> > >> I know there are some people here who have Apple LaserWriter > >> 16/600PS > >> printers, but I don't recall who offhand. > > > > ME me ME! Pick ME! :-) I also have a 16/600PS. And it was free, with the extra 500 page paper tray and the envelope feeder. > I'm doing it via the Apple Printer Utility under MacOS 9. Why? > Because I don't have the password required to telnet to the printer. > :-( Are you aware of a way around that? There is a "backdoor" password for them that I had to find for my printer. It's documented somewhere on Apple's Knowledge base. It's based on part of the MAC address. > > You can buy the new firmware from Apple for about $20. That's what I > > did. > > Hmm, I might do that. Yeah, me too. I'll have to remember to give them a call. --andy. From mcguire at neurotica.com Tue Oct 1 23:42:41 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 00:42:41 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Oracle 7 books Message-ID: <629E2ABC-D5C1-11D6-AB2D-000393970B96@neurotica.com> Anybody here working with Oracle 7? I have a number of very good, pristine books on Oracle 7 here that cost a small fortune, but I haven't touched them in at least two years. Anyone interested in them? I'm looking for some Ultra1 RAM and/or some spud brackets in trade. I will send the list of books upon request. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From gary at linuxforce.org Wed Oct 2 00:15:28 2002 From: gary at linuxforce.org (Gary Nichols) Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:15:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [geeks] Apple finally admits eMac has display problems Message-ID: http://news.com.com/2100-1040-960376.html?tag=fd_top I remember the loooooong discussion we had about this eons ago. Looks like Apple is fessing up finally. Should make the guys in the eMac forums happy. -- gary(AT)linuxforce.org http://www.linuxchimp.com From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Wed Oct 2 09:16:46 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:16:46 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Firewire video on linux Message-ID: <20021002141646.GA5825@cs.millersville.edu> Has anyone tried this? Obviously it won't be as slick as a Mac, but hopefully it would be slicker than solaris or irix. -- Joshua D. Boyd From caleb at webninja.com Wed Oct 2 09:40:52 2002 From: caleb at webninja.com (Caleb Shay) Date: 02 Oct 2002 10:40:52 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Firewire video on linux In-Reply-To: <20021002141646.GA5825@cs.millersville.edu> References: <20021002141646.GA5825@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <1033569653.12713.2.camel@chinstrap.homeunix.net> I do this on a regular basis. What do you want to know? No, it's not slick at all, but it does work. Caleb On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 10:16, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > Has anyone tried this? Obviously it won't be as slick as a Mac, but > hopefully it would be slicker than solaris or irix. > > -- > Joshua D. Boyd > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks -- Caleb Shay caleb at webninja.com http://www.webninja.com/ "The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was." -- Walt West [demime 0.99c.1 removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc] From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed Oct 2 15:44:40 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:44:40 -0400 Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight Message-ID: Oh man, the picture in this story nearly brought tears to my eyes. Give it a quick look, you'll see what I mean! http://money.cnn.com/2002/10/02/news/companies/fastow/index.htm -Dave -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From shawn at synack-hosting.com Wed Oct 2 15:33:13 2002 From: shawn at synack-hosting.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:33:13 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59397.139.142.208.98.1033590793.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> > Oh man, the picture in this story nearly brought tears to my eyes. > Give it a quick look, you'll see what I mean! > > http://money.cnn.com/2002/10/02/news/companies/fastow/index.htm > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... > St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks Right on. We are actually working on a movie of the week about Enron. The lovely Shannon Elizabeth is in it (I have no idea why). They shot it here, I guess we can pass as Houston. shawn From mrbill at mrbill.net Wed Oct 2 15:48:41 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:48:41 -0500 Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight In-Reply-To: <59397.139.142.208.98.1033590793.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> References: <59397.139.142.208.98.1033590793.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: <20021002204841.GT14140@mrbill.net> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:33:13PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > They shot it here, I guess we can pass as Houston. any sufficiently ugly and dirty, polluted town can pass as Houston. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From shawn at synack-hosting.com Wed Oct 2 15:36:59 2002 From: shawn at synack-hosting.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 15:36:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight In-Reply-To: <20021002204841.GT14140@mrbill.net> References: <20021002204841.GT14140@mrbill.net> Message-ID: <55167.139.142.208.98.1033591019.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:33:13PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: >> They shot it here, I guess we can pass as Houston. > > any sufficiently ugly and dirty, polluted town can pass as Houston. > > Bill > > -- > bill bradford > mrbill at mrbill.net > austin, texas > _______________________________________________ Well I don't really think we meet any of those. Especially the polluted part. shawn From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Wed Oct 2 15:59:22 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:59:22 -0400 Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight In-Reply-To: <55167.139.142.208.98.1033591019.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> References: <20021002204841.GT14140@mrbill.net> <55167.139.142.208.98.1033591019.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: <20021002205922.GB21061@cs.millersville.edu> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:36:59PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:33:13PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > >> They shot it here, I guess we can pass as Houston. > > > > any sufficiently ugly and dirty, polluted town can pass as Houston. > > Well I don't really think we meet any of those. Especially the polluted > part. But, dirt and pollution can always be added digitally. -- Joshua D. Boyd From swallbridge at franticfilms.com Wed Oct 2 16:04:30 2002 From: swallbridge at franticfilms.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:04:30 -0500 Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight References: <20021002204841.GT14140@mrbill.net> <55167.139.142.208.98.1033591019.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> <20021002205922.GB21061@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <3D9B5F5E.3010304@franticfilms.com> Joshua D Boyd wrote: >On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:36:59PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > > >>>On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:33:13PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: >>> >>> >>>>They shot it here, I guess we can pass as Houston. >>>> >>>> >>>any sufficiently ugly and dirty, polluted town can pass as Houston. >>> >>> >>Well I don't really think we meet any of those. Especially the polluted >>part. >> >> > >But, dirt and pollution can always be added digitally. > > > True. But this thing is mega low budget. I would expect that they would shoot some footage in Houston, just to show it is Houston. Who knows. I doubt I will ever see it. shawn From dittman at dittman.net Wed Oct 2 16:10:43 2002 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:10:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight In-Reply-To: from "Shawn Wallbridge" at Oct 02, 2002 03:33:13 PM Message-ID: <200210022110.g92LAhf07604@narnia.int.dittman.net> > > Oh man, the picture in this story nearly brought tears to my eyes. > > Give it a quick look, you'll see what I mean! > > > > http://money.cnn.com/2002/10/02/news/companies/fastow/index.htm > > > > -Dave > > > > -- > > Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... > > St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke > > _______________________________________________ > > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks > > Right on. > > We are actually working on a movie of the week about Enron. The lovely > Shannon Elizabeth is in it (I have no idea why). Maybe she's going to play one of the former Enron employees that posed for Playboy? -- Eric Dittman dittman at dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ From kurt at k-huhn.com Wed Oct 2 16:32:28 2002 From: kurt at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:32:28 -0400 Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021002173228.55ef6436.kurt@k-huhn.com> Dave McGuire wrote: > Oh man, the picture in this story nearly brought tears to my eyes. > > Give it a quick look, you'll see what I mean! > > http://money.cnn.com/2002/10/02/news/companies/fastow/index.htm > Oh man...what a *sniff* wonderful sight! There _is_ karma, after all. The balance of power begins to sway back... -- Kurt "What me look like, ricecake monster? kurt at k-huhn.com Me Cookie Monster! Me need COOKIE!" --Cookie Monster From Brian.Dunbar at plexus.com Wed Oct 2 16:39:25 2002 From: Brian.Dunbar at plexus.com (Brian Dunbar) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:39:25 -0500 Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight Message-ID: <93EF56FF0BD1234E8D1C74B9813E0EA0013F1DBA@neen-mail-003.na.plexus.com> -----Original Message----- From: Kurt Huhn [mailto:kurt at k-huhn.com] Dave McGuire wrote: > Oh man, the picture in this story nearly brought tears to my eyes. > > Give it a quick look, you'll see what I mean! > > http://money.cnn.com/2002/10/02/news/companies/fastow/index.htm > Oh man...what a *sniff* wonderful sight! There _is_ karma, after all. The balance of power begins to sway back... You people should be ashamed of yourselves. Mocking a man, a good man who was just doing his best to make an honest dollar .... ah hell, I hope they put the cuffs on extra tight. Brian From kris at catonic.net Wed Oct 2 18:53:25 2002 From: kris at catonic.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:53:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight In-Reply-To: <59397.139.142.208.98.1033590793.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > We are actually working on a movie of the week about Enron. The lovely > Shannon Elizabeth is in it (I have no idea why). > > They shot it here, I guess we can pass as Houston. down boy! dammit, he's not listening. ;-) -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Wed Oct 2 22:31:24 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 23:31:24 -0400 Subject: [geeks] SSH scripting question Message-ID: <20021003033124.GA3346@cs.millersville.edu> I've been combing the SSH man page trying to figure out how to pass a password to ssh without actually typing it (like so that I can have SSH do things remotely via shell script unattended). Bueller? Bueller? -- Joshua D. Boyd From crisco_kid at shaw.ca Wed Oct 2 22:54:21 2002 From: crisco_kid at shaw.ca (Dave Kimmel) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:54:21 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [geeks] SSH scripting question In-Reply-To: <20021003033124.GA3346@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <20021002214952.G91152-100000@rapier.gsm> On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > I've been combing the SSH man page trying to figure out how to pass a > password to ssh without actually typing it (like so that I can have SSH > do things remotely via shell script unattended). Take a look at the RSA authentication bits, I think that does what you want. I did this a long, long time ago and it worked really nicely for the most part. From what I recall, I just had to set up the public and private keys properly on both machines and it just worked. -- Dave Kimmel crisco_kid at shaw.ca From dpassmor at sneakers.org Wed Oct 2 23:00:09 2002 From: dpassmor at sneakers.org (David Passmore) Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:00:09 -0700 Subject: [geeks] SSH scripting question In-Reply-To: <20021003033124.GA3346@cs.millersville.edu>; from jdboyd@cs.millersville.edu on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:31:24PM -0400 References: <20021003033124.GA3346@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <20021002210009.L19507@sneakers.org> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:31:24PM -0400, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > I've been combing the SSH man page trying to figure out how to pass a > password to ssh without actually typing it (like so that I can have SSH > do things remotely via shell script unattended). > Create a public/private key pair with a blank passphrase (IE, hit return when it asks for one). David From david at cantrell.org.uk Thu Oct 3 04:41:16 2002 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 10:41:16 +0100 Subject: [geeks] SSH scripting question In-Reply-To: <20021003033124.GA3346@cs.millersville.edu>; from jdboyd@cs.millersville.edu on Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:31:24PM -0400 References: <20021003033124.GA3346@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <20021003104116.C7215@barnyard.co.uk> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:31:24PM -0400, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > I've been combing the SSH man page trying to figure out how to pass a > password to ssh without actually typing it (like so that I can have SSH > do things remotely via shell script unattended). Either use a passphrase-less key, or use ssh-agent. -- David Cantrell | Benevolent Dictator | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david All praise the Sun God For He is a Fun God Ra Ra Ra! From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 3 07:20:28 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 05:20:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] beautiful sight In-Reply-To: <55167.139.142.208.98.1033591019.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: <20021003122028.98443.qmail@web9304.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 03:33:13PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > >> They shot it here, I guess we can pass as Houston. Canada is the great "backlot" for many movies... It probably has more to do with an obliging local Gov't as it does anything else... Besides, it is so close to US, and in many locations they still speak English! ;^) Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From brooke at gravitt.org Thu Oct 3 08:57:01 2002 From: brooke at gravitt.org (brooke) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:57:01 -0400 Subject: [geeks] [WTB/T]: SGI O2 Message-ID: Hey people, I'm looking to acquire a nice O2 to play with. Does anyone have one they'd be willing to part with? I've got several PowerMac 8500s and a metric buttload of other peripherals, accessories, and junk that I could also trade for one. Thanks, Brooke From mrbill at mrbill.net Thu Oct 3 16:42:29 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 16:42:29 -0500 Subject: [geeks] ADMIN NOTE: Upcoming downtime (this weekend) Message-ID: <20021003214229.GS14140@mrbill.net> Hey, everyone.. This machine (and therefore the sunhelp.org web pages and mailing lists) will be down for a short period of time Saturday (10/05/02) morning or afternoon (whenever I make it out of bed and downtown), so that I can do some final rsyncs across the network, shut down the old server, then bring up the new one under the same IP address as the old one. So, no need to bombard me with "EVERYTHING'S DOWN!" emails, that I wont get, of course, until things are *back up*. 8-) (as part of the migration, new machine has Solaris 9, updated software packages, etc..) Thanks. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From jp at celestrion.net Thu Oct 3 17:08:11 2002 From: jp at celestrion.net (Jonathan C. Patschke) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:08:11 -0500 Subject: [geeks] D'oh! Message-ID: The lazy admin's guide to fucking over a mail server: Step 1: Subscribe to half a dozen or so of the lists at Sunhelp. Step 2: Invite your SO (who is subscribed to serveral high-traffic lists) and several of your friends to use your server as their primary mail server. Step 3: Upgrade postfix using GCC on IRIX, and then go to bed. Step 4: Wake up to no mail and lots of rejected connections from 255.255.255.255 in /var/adm/SYSLOG. Step 5: Upgrade postfix using MIPSpro on IRIX to fix the inet_ntoa() problem. Step 6: ssh into your secondary MX and type "sudo postfix flush". Step 7: Realize, as the system load average hits 10.00 and above, that you probably should've either turned off spamassassin, or used spamd. Step 8: Go to lunch. Make sure to follow up with tasty flammable liquids. -- Jonathan Patschke "you know, there are people who like having potatoes and jellyjars shoved up their asses. there are also people who like coding in c. at any rate, why not pay somebody to hack your c instead of taking the jellyjar in your ass?" --alex j avriette From sjh at waroffice.net Thu Oct 3 17:11:48 2002 From: sjh at waroffice.net (Steven Hill) Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 17:11:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] D'oh! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sounds like you need... BBQ therapy. :-) -- Steven Hill This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. From nimitz at owc.net Thu Oct 3 23:18:26 2002 From: nimitz at owc.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:18:26 -0500 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... Message-ID: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> Just got my DSL circuit turned on - waiting for the router in the mail. Does anybody on the list use Speakeasy.net to host their domain with their own DNS and mail servers? I really don't want to pay $19/month for DNS hosting when I have perfectly serviceable IPX boxen here that would do that nicely. Also if they have a policy against allowing customers control of Reverse DNS does that mean that they only allow hosting a domain through them? I'm going to pick up the O'Reilly's "bug book" this weekend, hopefully the answers to at least some of my questions will be in there. Mike Hebel From matthew at poertner.net Fri Oct 4 01:57:08 2002 From: matthew at poertner.net (Matthew Poertner) Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 23:57:08 -0700 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... References: <20021004053002.GA27449@moctezuma.malleable.org> Message-ID: <3D9D3BC3.F6396176@poertner.net> I use Speakeasy and have nothing but good things to say about them. I host my own DNS, mail, and all the fixin's with no complaints. They were actually really helpful when I asked about setting up reverse DNS. I've used them for about a year now and haven't had any disruption in service. Hope this helps! Matt > Just got my DSL circuit turned on - waiting for the router in the mail. > > Does anybody on the list use Speakeasy.net to host their domain with > their own DNS and mail servers? I really don't want to pay $19/month > for DNS hosting when I have perfectly serviceable IPX boxen here that > would do that nicely. > > Also if they have a policy against allowing customers control of Reverse > DNS does that mean that they only allow hosting a domain through them? > > I'm going to pick up the O'Reilly's "bug book" this weekend, hopefully > the answers to at least some of my questions will be in there. > > Mike Hebel > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From schiller at agrijag.com Fri Oct 4 02:54:13 2002 From: schiller at agrijag.com (Michael Schiller) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 03:54:13 -0400 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... References: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> Message-ID: <3D9D48F7.9C45DA72@agrijag.com> Mike Hebel wrote: > Also if they have a policy against allowing customers control of Reverse > DNS does that mean that they only allow hosting a domain through them? I don't know anything about Speakeasy, but my question to you is this: When you say no customer control of reverse DNS do you mean that they won't delegate authority to you, or are they not even willing to do the reverse to your hostnames (that you tell them what they are)? The few times I've had a subnet of static IPs the ISPs have always been willing to change the reverse DNS to the hostnames I've supplied them. -- -Mike *------------------------------------------------------------------* *PGP fingerprint= D2 4F A8 B7 13 D5 73 1E 48 99 40 99 F9 BC 74 74 * *Email:schiller at nospam.agrijag.com \|||/ http://www.agrijag.com * * (o o) * *-------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------------------* From kurt at k-huhn.com Fri Oct 4 09:09:31 2002 From: kurt at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:09:31 -0400 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... In-Reply-To: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> References: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> Message-ID: <20021004100931.787bdc00.kurt@k-huhn.com> Mike Hebel wrote: > Just got my DSL circuit turned on - waiting for the router in the mail. > > Does anybody on the list use Speakeasy.net to host their domain with > their own DNS and mail servers? I really don't want to pay $19/month > for DNS hosting when I have perfectly serviceable IPX boxen here that > would do that nicely. Speakeasy, when I had them a few months ago at $work[-1], had no restrictions on the type of servers you installed on your net. Reverse DNS for your range won't happen, though you *will* be able to do regular DNS with zero problems. > > Also if they have a policy against allowing customers control of Reverse > DNS does that mean that they only allow hosting a domain through them? > No. Setup your DNS server, point your whois info to it, and configure it to serve your domian. Setup your web server, start serving web pages. Easy as pie. -- Kurt kurt at k-huhn.com From mrbill at mrbill.net Fri Oct 4 15:09:07 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (mrbill) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:09:07 +0200 (added by postmaster@mail.tiscali.it) Subject: [geeks] Fw:geeks,look,my beautiful girl friend Message-ID: <3D897156008CF22E@mail-3.tiscalinet.it> (added by postmaster@mail.tiscali.it) From kris at catonic.net Fri Oct 4 15:31:21 2002 From: kris at catonic.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:31:21 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [geeks] Fw:geeks,look,my beautiful girl friend In-Reply-To: <3D897156008CF22E@mail-3.tiscalinet.it> (added by postmaster@mail.tiscali.it) Message-ID: On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, mrbill wrote: > Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:09:07 +0200 (added by postmaster at mail.tiscali.it) > From: mrbill > Reply-To: geeks at sunhelp.org > To: geeks at sunhelp.org > Subject: [geeks] Fw:geeks,look,my beautiful girl friend *SNORK*. BWHAHAHAHAH! We all know Bill's completely opposed to allowing anyone to wank to his wife's pictures but him.... :) -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From mrbill at mrbill.net Fri Oct 4 15:37:32 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 15:37:32 -0500 Subject: [geeks] Fw:geeks,look,my beautiful girl friend In-Reply-To: References: <3D897156008CF22E@mail-3.tiscalinet.it> Message-ID: <20021004203732.GQ13307@mrbill.net> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 08:31:21PM +0000, Kris Kirby wrote: > On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, mrbill wrote: > > Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 22:09:07 +0200 (added by postmaster at mail.tiscali.it) > > From: mrbill > > Reply-To: geeks at sunhelp.org > > To: geeks at sunhelp.org > > Subject: [geeks] Fw:geeks,look,my beautiful girl friend > *SNORK*. BWHAHAHAHAH! We all know Bill's completely opposed to allowing > anyone to wank to his wife's pictures but him.... :) Ugh, this WAS NOT ME. Klez, I suspect. Time to block that tiscali mail server. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From nimitz at owc.net Fri Oct 4 17:24:07 2002 From: nimitz at owc.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:24:07 -0500 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... References: <20021004053002.GA27449@moctezuma.malleable.org> <3D9D3BC3.F6396176@poertner.net> Message-ID: <3D9E1507.5060909@owc.net> Very cool. Thanks! Mike Hebel (Waiting for his router in the mail...) Matthew Poertner wrote: > I use Speakeasy and have nothing but good things to say about them. I > host my own DNS, mail, and all the fixin's with no complaints. They > were actually really helpful when I asked about setting up reverse DNS. > I've used them for about a year now and haven't had any disruption in > service. > > Hope this helps! > Matt > > >>Just got my DSL circuit turned on - waiting for the router in the mail. >> >>Does anybody on the list use Speakeasy.net to host their domain with >>their own DNS and mail servers? I really don't want to pay $19/month >>for DNS hosting when I have perfectly serviceable IPX boxen here that >>would do that nicely. >> >>Also if they have a policy against allowing customers control of Reverse >>DNS does that mean that they only allow hosting a domain through them? >> >>I'm going to pick up the O'Reilly's "bug book" this weekend, hopefully >>the answers to at least some of my questions will be in there. >> >>Mike Hebel >>_______________________________________________ >>GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks > > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From nimitz at owc.net Fri Oct 4 17:26:45 2002 From: nimitz at owc.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:26:45 -0500 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... References: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> <3D9D48F7.9C45DA72@agrijag.com> Message-ID: <3D9E15A5.5030409@owc.net> It's in the AUP but I think from what other people are telling me that's just a CYA clause and that they probably will do it if you ask _them_ to do it. We'll just have to wait and see. Mike Hebel (Wondering if an Airport will support a standard PC or a Linksys WAP will support a Mac...) Michael Schiller wrote: > Mike Hebel wrote: > > >>Also if they have a policy against allowing customers control of Reverse >>DNS does that mean that they only allow hosting a domain through them? > > > I don't know anything about Speakeasy, but my question to you is this: When > you say no customer control of reverse DNS do you mean that they won't > delegate authority to you, or are they not even willing to do the reverse > to your hostnames (that you tell them what they are)? The few times I've > had a subnet of static IPs the ISPs have always been willing to change the > reverse DNS to the hostnames I've supplied them. > -- > -Mike > *------------------------------------------------------------------* > *PGP fingerprint= D2 4F A8 B7 13 D5 73 1E 48 99 40 99 F9 BC 74 74 * > *Email:schiller at nospam.agrijag.com \|||/ http://www.agrijag.com * > * (o o) * > *-------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------------------* > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From nimitz at owc.net Fri Oct 4 17:28:10 2002 From: nimitz at owc.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:28:10 -0500 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... References: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> <20021004100931.787bdc00.kurt@k-huhn.com> Message-ID: <3D9E15FA.1060605@owc.net> Thansk Kurt! Now I'll have to go out and buy the "bug book" that I didn't have any priority to buy until now. *grin* Mike Hebel (Soon to be www.nimitzbrood.com ...) Kurt Huhn wrote: > Mike Hebel wrote: > > >>Just got my DSL circuit turned on - waiting for the router in the mail. >> >>Does anybody on the list use Speakeasy.net to host their domain with >>their own DNS and mail servers? I really don't want to pay $19/month >>for DNS hosting when I have perfectly serviceable IPX boxen here that >>would do that nicely. > > > Speakeasy, when I had them a few months ago at $work[-1], had no > restrictions on the type of servers you installed on your net. Reverse DNS > for your range won't happen, though you *will* be able to do regular DNS > with zero problems. > > >>Also if they have a policy against allowing customers control of Reverse >>DNS does that mean that they only allow hosting a domain through them? >> > > > No. Setup your DNS server, point your whois info to it, and configure it to > serve your domian. Setup your web server, start serving web pages. Easy as > pie. From mrbill at mrbill.net Fri Oct 4 17:31:17 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 17:31:17 -0500 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... In-Reply-To: <3D9E15A5.5030409@owc.net> References: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> <3D9D48F7.9C45DA72@agrijag.com> <3D9E15A5.5030409@owc.net> Message-ID: <20021004223117.GU13307@mrbill.net> On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 05:26:45PM -0500, Mike Hebel wrote: > Mike Hebel > (Wondering if an Airport will support a standard PC or a Linksys WAP > will support a Mac...) Either/both. The Airport is just a Lucent AP with different enclosure and slightly different firmware (the RG-1000). Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From nimitz at owc.net Fri Oct 4 17:31:40 2002 From: nimitz at owc.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2002 17:31:40 -0500 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... References: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> <3D9D48F7.9C45DA72@agrijag.com> <3D9E15A5.5030409@owc.net> <20021004223117.GU13307@mrbill.net> Message-ID: <3D9E16CC.1040200@owc.net> Kewl. Time to put all my surplus junk up on E-Bay to pay for an Airport card and Airport. ;-) Mike Hebel Bill Bradford wrote: > On Fri, Oct 04, 2002 at 05:26:45PM -0500, Mike Hebel wrote: > >>Mike Hebel >>(Wondering if an Airport will support a standard PC or a Linksys WAP >>will support a Mac...) > > > Either/both. > > The Airport is just a Lucent AP with different enclosure and slightly > different firmware (the RG-1000). > > Bill From kurt at k-huhn.com Fri Oct 4 19:18:39 2002 From: kurt at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 20:18:39 -0400 Subject: [geeks] DNS/Speakeasy DSL question... In-Reply-To: <3D9E15FA.1060605@owc.net> References: <3D9D1692.6010801@owc.net> <20021004100931.787bdc00.kurt@k-huhn.com> <3D9E15FA.1060605@owc.net> Message-ID: <20021004201839.715c84ae.kurt@k-huhn.com> Mike Hebel wrote: > Thansk Kurt! Now I'll have to go out and buy the "bug book" that I > didn't have any priority to buy until now. *grin* > I'm seriously thinking about getting Speakeasy DSL here - Adelphia cable Internet sucks hot lava rocks... -- Kurt "What me look like, ricecake monster? kurt at k-huhn.com Me Cookie Monster! Me need COOKIE!" --Cookie Monster From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat Oct 5 12:16:02 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 12:16:02 -0500 Subject: [geeks] maintenance soon Message-ID: <20021005171602.GL13307@mrbill.net> This machine is going down for maintenance and may not be back up for a couple of hours. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat Oct 5 16:09:49 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:09:49 -0500 Subject: [geeks] test Message-ID: <20021005210949.GR1223@mrbill.net> testing -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From wpointon at earthlink.net Sat Oct 5 16:16:05 2002 From: wpointon at earthlink.net (bill pointon) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 17:16:05 -0400 Subject: [geeks] test In-Reply-To: <20021005210949.GR1223@mrbill.net> Message-ID: looks good to me bill On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 05:09 , Bill Bradford wrote: > testing > > -- > bill bradford > mrbill at mrbill.net > austin, texas > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks > From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat Oct 5 20:05:41 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:05:41 -0500 Subject: [geeks] FS: Sun AXi rackmount server Message-ID: <20021006010540.GN16101@mrbill.net> I've got the "old" SunHELP/mrbill.net server for sale, now that I've replaced it: - 2U rackmount (ATX) enclosure, black faceplate (does NOT have rack/slide rails, but there are screw holes to attach some.. I sat the machine on a shelf) - Sun AXi motherboard - 440Mhz (2M L2 cache) CPU - 256M (4 x 64M) memory, 4 slots open - SCSI CD-ROM drive (unsure of speed; just used it to install the OS) - Floppy drive (3.5" 1.44MB, I never used it) - 9G SCSI fast/wide HD (Quantum) internal; room for one more 3.5" internal - 2 68-pin fast/wide SCSI busses (one internal, one external) - serial, parallel ports (etc) Will include CD-R copy of Solaris 9 (or Solaris 8, your choice). Will do fresh full install of your chosen version of Solaris on the system. Pictures: http://www.sunhelp.org/images/newohno/ (taken a year ago, when I was putting this machine in service) $450 + shipping (from 78758). PayPal, cashier's checks, money orders, etc accepted (paypal preferred). Email me if you're interested or with any questions. I had this machine connected to a D1000 drive array for almost a year, and its worked flawlessly. I just dont have a need for it now that I've replaced it. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From chris at yonderway.com Sat Oct 5 20:35:29 2002 From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:35:29 -0400 Subject: [geeks] the world's most expensive case mod Message-ID: http://www.rm-r.net/~bri/casemod/ The site has been slashdotted so you may want to sit on this one for a day or two before trying it. But this has to be the coolest use of auxiliary case lighting that I've ever seen. Chris Hedemark Professional Computer Consulting & Videography Hillsborough, NC http://yonderway.com "Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time." -Steve Wright From scott at doc.net.au Sat Oct 5 20:51:26 2002 From: scott at doc.net.au (Scott Howard) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:51:26 +1000 Subject: [geeks] the world's most expensive case mod In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021006015126.GA27003@milliways.doc.net.au> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:35:29PM -0400, Chris Hedemark wrote: > http://www.rm-r.net/~bri/casemod/ > > The site has been slashdotted so you may want to sit on this one for a > day or two before trying it. But this has to be the coolest use of > auxiliary case lighting that I've ever seen. It's mirrored at http://mosascii.com/sd/casemod/casemod.htm which is much faster than the original. Scott From scott at doc.net.au Sat Oct 5 20:52:50 2002 From: scott at doc.net.au (Scott Howard) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 11:52:50 +1000 Subject: [geeks] FS: Sun AXi rackmount server In-Reply-To: <20021006010540.GN16101@mrbill.net> References: <20021006010540.GN16101@mrbill.net> Message-ID: <20021006015250.GB27003@milliways.doc.net.au> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 08:05:41PM -0500, Bill Bradford wrote: > I've got the "old" SunHELP/mrbill.net server for sale, now that I've > replaced it: Didn't this machine run sunmanagers for a time? If so, make up a certificate to that fact, put it on ebay, and you'll get 10x what it's worth. Well, it worked for Mitnicks laptop, why not for sunmanagers :) Scott From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat Oct 5 20:55:33 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:55:33 -0500 Subject: [geeks] FS: Sun AXi rackmount server In-Reply-To: <20021006015250.GB27003@milliways.doc.net.au> References: <20021006010540.GN16101@mrbill.net> <20021006015250.GB27003@milliways.doc.net.au> Message-ID: <20021006015533.GS16101@mrbill.net> On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:52:50AM +1000, Scott Howard wrote: > Didn't this machine run sunmanagers for a time? If so, make up a > certificate to that fact, put it on ebay, and you'll get 10x what it's > worth. Heh, yeah, it ran sunmanagers for about six months. About a gig of outgoing mail a day due to that, in fact. Now, sunmanagers runs on a SMP SS10 (not U10, SS10) at toronto.edu, but I still manage it. > Well, it worked for Mitnicks laptop, why not for sunmanagers :) Heh, I wish. 8-) Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From shawn at synack-hosting.com Sat Oct 5 20:45:08 2002 From: shawn at synack-hosting.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 20:45:08 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] FS: Sun AXi rackmount server In-Reply-To: <20021006010540.GN16101@mrbill.net> References: <20021006010540.GN16101@mrbill.net> Message-ID: <52378.24.66.68.209.1033868708.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> I'll be the first to ask, what did you replace it with? shawn > I've got the "old" SunHELP/mrbill.net server for sale, now that I've > replaced it: > > - 2U rackmount (ATX) enclosure, black faceplate > (does NOT have rack/slide rails, but there are screw holes to attach > some.. I sat the machine on a shelf) > - Sun AXi motherboard > - 440Mhz (2M L2 cache) CPU > - 256M (4 x 64M) memory, 4 slots open > - SCSI CD-ROM drive (unsure of speed; just used it to install the OS) > - Floppy drive (3.5" 1.44MB, I never used it) > - 9G SCSI fast/wide HD (Quantum) internal; room for one more 3.5" > internal - 2 68-pin fast/wide SCSI busses (one internal, one external) > - serial, parallel ports (etc) > > Will include CD-R copy of Solaris 9 (or Solaris 8, your choice). Will > do fresh full install of your chosen version of Solaris on the system. > > Pictures: > > http://www.sunhelp.org/images/newohno/ > > (taken a year ago, when I was putting this machine in service) > > $450 + shipping (from 78758). PayPal, cashier's checks, money orders, > etc accepted (paypal preferred). > > Email me if you're interested or with any questions. I had this > machine connected to a D1000 drive array for almost a year, and its > worked flawlessly. I just dont have a need for it now that I've > replaced it. > > Bill > > -- > bill bradford > mrbill at mrbill.net > austin, texas > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From mrbill at mrbill.net Sat Oct 5 21:16:10 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 21:16:10 -0500 Subject: [geeks] FS: Sun AXi rackmount server In-Reply-To: <52378.24.66.68.209.1033868708.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> References: <20021006010540.GN16101@mrbill.net> <52378.24.66.68.209.1033868708.squirrel@mail.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: <20021006021610.GX16101@mrbill.net> On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 08:45:08PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > I'll be the first to ask, what did you replace it with? Actually, a U5/333 (2M), with 256MB RAM, and an 80G Western Digital IDE drive (one of the special editions w/8M cache; helps make up for the IDE/SCSI performance difference). Needed to reduce my rack space usage at the colo, needed to reduce my reliance on (expensive) SCSI drives (I couldnt afford to replace them if any more went bad, and I'd already lost an 18G). So, basically, its 100Mhz slower and has IDE instead of SCSI, but is identical (platform-wise). New machine appears to be working fine - we werent CPU or IO-bound on the old box, and the new box appears okay (except when I'm compiling 2 or 3 things at once, of course). Runs about 10% CPU load (unless I'm doing things like updating the search engine index... ) Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From kris at catonic.net Sun Oct 6 04:27:49 2002 From: kris at catonic.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 09:27:49 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [geeks] Net-printer-thingies Message-ID: I've got at least two printers (inkjet and laser) I want to network to lpd and Windoze. I'm thinking the best, cheapest, smallest way to do this is a jet-direct type of device; I want to keep from implementing a full PC to do this. Objectives are: Ease-of-use, low power consumption, multiple (2x parallel) ports. Bidirectional 'doze communication a plus. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From shawn at synack-hosting.com Sun Oct 6 05:04:37 2002 From: shawn at synack-hosting.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: 06 Oct 2002 05:04:37 -0500 Subject: [geeks] Scanners -- the radio kind Message-ID: <1033898677.18323.4.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> I have always wanted a scanner, but never actually got around to buying one. Does anyone have any recommendations? I don't really know much about them, but I would like one that doesn't have any blocked frequencies (if they do that). Anyone have any suggestions on where to read more? My plan is to put it in the basement with my computers, so I will have to go with an external antenna (I would assume). I will probably feed it into a normal stereo receiver (or a mixer (which I think I am going to try to build myself) before the reciever, along with various computers). If that is even possible. shawn From mrbill at mrbill.net Sun Oct 6 07:20:44 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 07:20:44 -0500 Subject: [geeks] Scanners -- the radio kind In-Reply-To: <1033898677.18323.4.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> References: <1033898677.18323.4.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: <20021006122044.GI16101@mrbill.net> On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 05:04:37AM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > I have always wanted a scanner, but never actually got around to buying > one. > Does anyone have any recommendations? I don't really know much about > them, but I would like one that doesn't have any blocked frequencies > (if they do that). > Anyone have any suggestions on where to read more? Radio Shack Pro-2006. I'm still kicking myself for selling my highly-modded one two years ago. I have the "Cheek 3" mods book about the -2006, if you do get one.. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 08:33:31 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 06:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] Net-printer-thingies In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021006133331.87587.qmail@web9307.mail.yahoo.com> CompUSA has a 2-port Netgear print server for $100... I've also seen "strap-on" printservers new for as low as $40-50/ea recently (places like Staples have them on sale occasionally)... HTH, Lionel --- Kris Kirby wrote: > I've got at least two printers (inkjet and laser) I want to network > to lpd and Windoze. I'm thinking the best, cheapest, smallest way > to do this is a jet-direct type of device; I want to keep from > implementing a full PC to do this. Objectives are: Ease-of-use, low > power consumption, multiple (2x parallel) ports. Bidirectional > 'doze communication a plus. ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Sun Oct 6 08:40:06 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] Scanners -- the radio kind In-Reply-To: <1033898677.18323.4.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: <20021006134006.88358.qmail@web9307.mail.yahoo.com> --- Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > I have always wanted a scanner, but never actually got around to > buying one. OK > Does anyone have any recommendations? I don't really know much about > them, but I would like one that doesn't have any blocked frequencies > (if they do that). Being in Canada, I don't think you have to worry about "blocked" freq. - that is (IIRC) a US Gov't. law, not international. > Anyone have any suggestions on where to read more? Sorry, best advice is Google... > My plan is to put it in the basement with my computers, so I will > have to go with an external antenna (I would assume). Most every scanner that might appeal to you would have ext antenna jack. > I will probably feed it into a normal stereo receiver (or a mixer > (which I think I am going to try to build myself) before the > reciever, along with various computers). If that is even possible. Of course, line-out is very common... You might want to look at the "PC" radios - I think some cover wide freq. spectrum (ICOM, TenTec, others leap to mind)... Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com From mrbill at mrbill.net Sun Oct 6 12:54:15 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 12:54:15 -0500 Subject: [geeks] price reduced: 440Mhz AXi rackmount server (2U) Message-ID: <20021006175415.GN16101@mrbill.net> Price reduced: $400 (shipping included). Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From vance at neurotica.com Sun Oct 6 14:57:25 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 15:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] the world's most expensive case mod In-Reply-To: <20021006015126.GA27003@milliways.doc.net.au> Message-ID: That stuff is pretty slick. I like it. Peace... Sridhar On Sun, 6 Oct 2002, Scott Howard wrote: > On Sat, Oct 05, 2002 at 09:35:29PM -0400, Chris Hedemark wrote: > > http://www.rm-r.net/~bri/casemod/ > > > > The site has been slashdotted so you may want to sit on this one for a > > day or two before trying it. But this has to be the coolest use of > > auxiliary case lighting that I've ever seen. > > It's mirrored at http://mosascii.com/sd/casemod/casemod.htm which is much > faster than the original. > > Scott > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From mrbill at mrbill.net Sun Oct 6 22:26:14 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:26:14 -0500 Subject: [geeks] [jacobbartlet@msn.com: Re: VAX Floating Point Systems Array Processor, AP 120B] Message-ID: <20021007032614.GS16101@mrbill.net> John is in MD, 30 miles from D.C. Someone please rescue this. 8-) Please contact him directly. Bill ----- Forwarded message from JOHN BATLUCK ----- From: "JOHN BATLUCK" To: Subject: Re: VAX Floating Point Systems Array Processor, AP 120B Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:02:42 -0400 Bill, In my garage I have an FPS AP 120B designed to interface with the VAX supermini for vector processing. I acquired it at GSA auction many years ago, where it landed after use at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center. It carries a model designation, AP 180V, identifying it as a VAX peripheral. The single cabinet, painted to look like a VAX peripheral, is about 24" wide, 30" deep and 60" high, and includes both power supply and processor. It weighs several hundred pounds. Some documentation is also available. I can no longer keep it, and am looking to find a new home whose owner will handle the shipping cost. This machine was made in Beaverton, Oregon in the early 80,s by Floating Point Systems. I don't have any interest in messing with it, but am reluctant to see it scrapped. Do you know anyone who may be interested in acquiring this unit? Regards, John Batluck ----- End forwarded message ----- -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From mcguire at neurotica.com Sun Oct 6 22:49:34 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 23:49:34 -0400 Subject: [geeks] [jacobbartlet@msn.com: Re: VAX Floating Point Systems Array Processor, AP 120B] In-Reply-To: <20021007032614.GS16101@mrbill.net> Message-ID: Holy Cow...I've only been looking for one of those for almost ten years. I thought they were all gone! -Dave On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 11:26 PM, Bill Bradford wrote: > John is in MD, 30 miles from D.C. Someone please rescue this. 8-) > > Please contact him directly. > > Bill > > ----- Forwarded message from JOHN BATLUCK ----- > > From: "JOHN BATLUCK" > To: > Subject: Re: VAX Floating Point Systems Array Processor, AP 120B > Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 22:02:42 -0400 > > Bill, > In my garage I have an FPS AP 120B designed to interface with the VAX > supermini for vector processing. I acquired it at GSA auction many > years > ago, where it landed after use at the NASA Goddard Space Flight > Center. It > carries a model designation, AP 180V, identifying it as a VAX > peripheral. > The single cabinet, painted to look like a VAX peripheral, is about > 24" wide, > 30" deep and 60" high, and includes both power supply and processor. > It > weighs several hundred pounds. Some documentation is also available. > > I can no longer keep it, and am looking to find a new home whose owner > will > handle the shipping cost. This machine was made in Beaverton, Oregon > in the > early 80,s by Floating Point Systems. I don't have any interest in > messing > with it, but am reluctant to see it scrapped. > > Do you know anyone who may be interested in acquiring this unit? > > Regards, > > John Batluck > > ----- End forwarded message ----- > > -- > bill bradford > mrbill at mrbill.net > austin, texas > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks > > -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon Oct 7 00:16:49 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 00:16:49 -0500 Subject: [rescue] Re: [geeks] [jacobbartlet@msn.com: Re: VAX Floating Point Systems Array Processor, AP 120B] In-Reply-To: References: <20021007032614.GS16101@mrbill.net> Message-ID: <20021007051649.GF27697@mrbill.net> On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 11:49:34PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > Holy Cow...I've only been looking for one of those for almost ten > years. I thought they were all gone! Who's yer daddy. 8-) Bill > On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 11:26 PM, Bill Bradford wrote: > >John is in MD, 30 miles from D.C. Someone please rescue this. 8-) > >Please contact him directly. > > > >In my garage I have an FPS AP 120B designed to interface with the VAX > >supermini for vector processing. -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From mturner at whro.org Mon Oct 7 10:03:41 2002 From: mturner at whro.org (Michael A. Turner) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 11:03:41 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Mensa Message-ID: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> Oct. 19th is Mensa's day of testing. I am thinking of going and taking a swing at this test just to see how I do. Has anyone else on the list taken the test? Are their any members of mensa here? I am curious if it is worth my time to join, do they do anything and is it any fun? Michael A. Turner Systems Engineer WHRO michael.turner at whro.org http://www.whro.org From geeks at sunhelp.org Mon Oct 7 10:46:13 2002 From: geeks at sunhelp.org (geeks at sunhelp.org) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 08:46:13 -0700 Subject: [geeks] Scanners -- the radio kind Message-ID: ~ On Sun, Oct 06, 2002 at 05:04:37AM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: ~ > I have always wanted a scanner, but never actually got ~ around to buying ~ > one. ~ > Does anyone have any recommendations? I don't really know much about ~ > them, but I would like one that doesn't have any blocked ~ frequencies ~ > (if they do that). ~ > Anyone have any suggestions on where to read more? ~ ~ Radio Shack Pro-2006. ~ ~ I'm still kicking myself for selling my highly-modded one two ~ years ago. Ditto, but I still have mine :) And yes, there are issues of blocked recievers in Canada, esp. since your market gets American distribution more often than not. The 2006 rocks. I have heard all kinda things on it, incl. a certain Presidential Candidate discussing questionable finances over an AirPhone. I guess he didn't get the financing since he went on to promote Viagra!! 2006 dude, trust us. Unless you can afford the $1K+ costs of some of the high end Icom stuff. From kris at catonic.net Mon Oct 7 11:04:50 2002 From: kris at catonic.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 16:04:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [geeks] Mensa In-Reply-To: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Michael A. Turner wrote: > Are their any members of mensa here? No. We can tie our own shoes. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From mcguire at neurotica.com Mon Oct 7 11:19:04 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:19:04 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Mensa In-Reply-To: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> Message-ID: <7F9BAC1F-DA10-11D6-9477-000393970B96@neurotica.com> On Monday, October 7, 2002, at 11:03 AM, Michael A. Turner wrote: > Oct. 19th is Mensa's day of testing. I am thinking of going and > taking a swing at this test just to see how I do. Has anyone else on > the > list taken the test? Are their any members of mensa here? I am curious > if it > is worth my time to join, do they do anything and is it any fun? I've always considered them to be a bunch of people who are far too impressed with themselves, and can't find anything better to do with their brainpower. Personally, I'm probably not smart enough to join, and I have PLENTY to do with my brainpower (don't you?)...so I don't bother. And besides...what if you take their test and don't do well? Will it cause self-confidence issues? It sure would for me. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From mturner at whro.org Mon Oct 7 11:20:30 2002 From: mturner at whro.org (Michael A. Turner) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 12:20:30 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Mensa Message-ID: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA762@terra.whro.org> > On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Michael A. Turner wrote: > > Are their any members of mensa here? > > No. > > We can tie our own shoes. > Well I can too... Of course that depends on the shoe hardware being used and what revision number the laces are on... > -- > Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: > 'KrisBSD' Michael A. Turner Systems Engineer WHRO michael.turner at whro.org http://www.whro.org From wa2egp at att.net Mon Oct 7 12:25:08 2002 From: wa2egp at att.net (wa2egp at att.net) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 17:25:08 +0000 Subject: [geeks] the world's most expensive case mod Message-ID: <20021007172503.EHUE12219.mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc17> I can imagine pulling up those pictures in my classroom..."Yo....Where'd ya get them wheels!" The fledgling geeks would also be impressed. Bob > http://www.rm-r.net/~bri/casemod/ > > The site has been slashdotted so you may want to sit on this one for a > day or two before trying it. But this has to be the coolest use of > auxiliary case lighting that I've ever seen. > > Chris Hedemark > Professional Computer Consulting & Videography > Hillsborough, NC > http://yonderway.com > > "Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time." -Steve Wright > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From kurt at k-huhn.com Mon Oct 7 12:38:42 2002 From: kurt at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:38:42 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Mensa In-Reply-To: <7F9BAC1F-DA10-11D6-9477-000393970B96@neurotica.com> References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <7F9BAC1F-DA10-11D6-9477-000393970B96@neurotica.com> Message-ID: <20021007133842.7ea99835.kurt@k-huhn.com> Dave McGuire wrote: > > I've always considered them to be a bunch of people who are far too > impressed with themselves, and can't find anything better to do with > their brainpower. > Amen. I'd really rather be known for what I *did* rather than what some test says I might be *capable* of doing. I have no interest in being a Mensa member - that type of elitism breeds contempt... -- Kurt kurt at k-huhn.com From kris at catonic.net Mon Oct 7 12:52:08 2002 From: kris at catonic.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:52:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [geeks] Mensa In-Reply-To: <20021007133842.7ea99835.kurt@k-huhn.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Kurt Huhn wrote: > Amen. I'd really rather be known for what I *did* rather than what some > test says I might be *capable* of doing. I have no interest in being a > Mensa member - that type of elitism breeds contempt... And eventually insurrection, as history has proven. :-) -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From dave at cca.org Mon Oct 7 11:12:18 2002 From: dave at cca.org (dave at cca.org) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 12:12:18 EDT Subject: [geeks] Mensa References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> Message-ID: <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> mturner at whro.org writes: > Oct. 19th is Mensa's day of testing. I am thinking of going and >taking a swing at this test just to see how I do. Has anyone else on the >list taken the test? Are their any members of mensa here? I am curious if it >is worth my time to join, do they do anything and is it any fun? I joined one year out of curiosity, didn't bother renewing the next year. You can get in on SAT scores, so if you're curious, just check if you passed those test requirements. (I don't remember what the numbers were.) ------ David Fischer ------- dave at cca.org ------- http://www.cca.org ------ ------------------------ Drink Your Ovaltine! ----------------------------- From mrbill at mrbill.net Mon Oct 7 13:22:39 2002 From: mrbill at mrbill.net (Bill Bradford) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 13:22:39 -0500 Subject: [geeks] Mensa In-Reply-To: <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> Message-ID: <20021007182239.GY27697@mrbill.net> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 12:12:18PM -0400, dave at cca.org wrote: > I joined one year out of curiosity, didn't bother renewing > the next year. I remember their ads in _Omni_. There was a magazine I hated to see fold. http://www.omnimag.com Kathy Guccione, the publisher/editor, passed away in '97, and the magazine basically went with her. They kept the web site up, though. mmm. many hours reading "The Omni Collection of Science Fiction" in my youth. Good stuff. Bill -- bill bradford mrbill at mrbill.net austin, texas From nimitz at speakeasy.net Mon Oct 7 15:16:29 2002 From: nimitz at speakeasy.net (Mike Hebel) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 14:16:29 -0600 Subject: [geeks] Ahhh! Bandwidth! *contented sigh* Message-ID: <3DA1EB9D.9080404@speakeasy.net> It's working! It may be bridged 608/128 ADSL but it's working! Now I just need to load up the OpendBSD Sparc box for firewall/NAT and I'll be good to go. (I'm currently taking my OS in my hands here - I'm surfing bare-wire, primary-IP to the 'net. Still I couldn't wait to try it out!) I'm a happy camper! ;-) Now to get a VPN set up between my house and my neigbors and leech mp3s off of his server. *grin* Mike Hebel From swallbridge at franticfilms.com Mon Oct 7 16:30:54 2002 From: swallbridge at franticfilms.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:30:54 -0500 Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> <20021007182239.GY27697@mrbill.net> Message-ID: <3DA1FD0E.9020508@franticfilms.com> Someone mentioned a free X server for Windows a little while back. Anyone remember what it was called (or have a link)? The list search function is down right now. On the good news side, I moved my main machine at home from Win2K to Gentoo Linux last week. So far I really like it. thanks shawn From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Mon Oct 7 16:32:48 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:32:48 -0400 Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows In-Reply-To: <3DA1FD0E.9020508@franticfilms.com> References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> <20021007182239.GY27697@mrbill.net> <3DA1FD0E.9020508@franticfilms.com> Message-ID: <20021007213248.GA10579@cs.millersville.edu> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:54PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > Someone mentioned a free X server for Windows a little while back. > Anyone remember what it was called (or have a link)? The list search > function is down right now. There was MI/X, but I heard a report that it was no longer free. Fonts always caused me pain on this one. There is also Xfree/cygwin. It is reported to be sluggish. Never tried it. -- Joshua D. Boyd From swallbridge at franticfilms.com Mon Oct 7 16:36:45 2002 From: swallbridge at franticfilms.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2002 16:36:45 -0500 Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> <20021007182239.GY27697@mrbill.net> <3DA1FD0E.9020508@franticfilms.com> <20021007213248.GA10579@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <3DA1FE6D.3070301@franticfilms.com> Joshua D Boyd wrote: >On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:54PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > > >>Someone mentioned a free X server for Windows a little while back. >>Anyone remember what it was called (or have a link)? The list search >>function is down right now. >> >> > >There was MI/X, but I heard a report that it was no longer free. Fonts >always caused me pain on this one. > >There is also Xfree/cygwin. It is reported to be sluggish. Never tried >it. > > > OK, I think I am messed up again. I need something that will display a window from my home machine (over an ssh tunnel) to my machine at work. So is that the X client? shawn From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Mon Oct 7 16:39:09 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:39:09 -0400 Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows In-Reply-To: <3DA1FE6D.3070301@franticfilms.com> References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> <20021007182239.GY27697@mrbill.net> <3DA1FD0E.9020508@franticfilms.com> <20021007213248.GA10579@cs.millersville.edu> <3DA1FE6D.3070301@franticfilms.com> Message-ID: <20021007213909.GA10625@cs.millersville.edu> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:36:45PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > >There was MI/X, but I heard a report that it was no longer free. Fonts > >always caused me pain on this one. > > > >There is also Xfree/cygwin. It is reported to be sluggish. Never tried > >it. > > > OK, I think I am messed up again. I need something that will display a > window from my home machine (over an ssh tunnel) to my machine at work. > So is that the X client? The home machine being gentoo linux, and the work machine being windows 2k? Nope. You need an xserver (programs like the gimp, mozilla, etc, are the X Clients), like Xfree/cygwin or MI/X (or eXeed for money). -- Joshua D. Boyd From vance at neurotica.com Mon Oct 7 16:40:29 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows In-Reply-To: <3DA1FE6D.3070301@franticfilms.com> Message-ID: As long as you have all the required libraries to run your X software on your local computer, and the remote computer has a working X server, you can run the program on your local computer and display on the remote one. The program you are running is the X client, and the X server running on the remote machine is the X server. Peace... Sridhar On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > Joshua D Boyd wrote: > > >On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 04:30:54PM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > > > > > >>Someone mentioned a free X server for Windows a little while back. > >>Anyone remember what it was called (or have a link)? The list search > >>function is down right now. > >> > >> > > > >There was MI/X, but I heard a report that it was no longer free. Fonts > >always caused me pain on this one. > > > >There is also Xfree/cygwin. It is reported to be sluggish. Never tried > >it. > > > > > > > OK, I think I am messed up again. I need something that will display a > window from my home machine (over an ssh tunnel) to my machine at work. > So is that the X client? > > shawn > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Mon Oct 7 16:43:18 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:43:18 -0400 Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows In-Reply-To: <20021007213909.GA10625@cs.millersville.edu> References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> <20021007182239.GY27697@mrbill.net> <3DA1FD0E.9020508@franticfilms.com> <20021007213248.GA10579@cs.millersville.edu> <3DA1FE6D.3070301@franticfilms.com> <20021007213909.GA10625@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <20021007214317.GA10925@cs.millersville.edu> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 05:39:09PM -0400, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > The home machine being gentoo linux, and the work machine being windows > 2k? Nope. You need an xserver (programs like the gimp, mozilla, etc, > are the X Clients), like Xfree/cygwin or MI/X (or eXeed for money). Note: On your work windows 2k machine, you are going to need an SSH client that knows how to tunnel things like X11. I don't think PuTTY can do it. -- Joshua D. Boyd From vance at neurotica.com Mon Oct 7 16:53:34 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 17:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows In-Reply-To: <20021007214317.GA10925@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: I've done this before. I used OpenSSH and Cygwin. Peace... Sridhar On Mon, 7 Oct 2002, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 05:39:09PM -0400, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > > > The home machine being gentoo linux, and the work machine being windows > > 2k? Nope. You need an xserver (programs like the gimp, mozilla, etc, > > are the X Clients), like Xfree/cygwin or MI/X (or eXeed for money). > > Note: On your work windows 2k machine, you are going to need an SSH > client that knows how to tunnel things like X11. I don't think PuTTY > can do it. > > -- > Joshua D. Boyd > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From kurt at k-huhn.com Mon Oct 7 17:21:02 2002 From: kurt at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:21:02 -0400 Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows In-Reply-To: <20021007214317.GA10925@cs.millersville.edu> References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> <20021007182239.GY27697@mrbill.net> <3DA1FD0E.9020508@franticfilms.com> <20021007213248.GA10579@cs.millersville.edu> <3DA1FE6D.3070301@franticfilms.com> <20021007213909.GA10625@cs.millersville.edu> <20021007214317.GA10925@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <20021007182102.2df2589a.kurt@k-huhn.com> Joshua D Boyd wrote: > Note: On your work windows 2k machine, you are going to need an SSH > client that knows how to tunnel things like X11. I don't think PuTTY > can do it. > Sure it can. I set up the Client Services woman with Putty the other day so that she can get X displays over SSH (eXceed was already installed). -- Kurt "What me look like, ricecake monster? kurt at k-huhn.com Me Cookie Monster! Me need COOKIE!" --Cookie Monster From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Mon Oct 7 17:24:04 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 18:24:04 -0400 Subject: [geeks] X server for Windows In-Reply-To: <20021007182102.2df2589a.kurt@k-huhn.com> References: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> <02401121217.dave.17012@cca.org> <20021007182239.GY27697@mrbill.net> <3DA1FD0E.9020508@franticfilms.com> <20021007213248.GA10579@cs.millersville.edu> <3DA1FE6D.3070301@franticfilms.com> <20021007213909.GA10625@cs.millersville.edu> <20021007214317.GA10925@cs.millersville.edu> <20021007182102.2df2589a.kurt@k-huhn.com> Message-ID: <20021007222404.GA12203@cs.millersville.edu> On Mon, Oct 07, 2002 at 06:21:02PM -0400, Kurt Huhn wrote: > Sure it can. I set up the Client Services woman with Putty the other > day so that she can get X displays over SSH (eXceed was already > installed). I'm impressed. -- Joshua D. Boyd From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Mon Oct 7 22:06:55 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2002 20:06:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] Mensa In-Reply-To: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA761@terra.whro.org> Message-ID: <20021008030655.53464.qmail@web9301.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Michael A. Turner" wrote: > Oct. 19th is Mensa's day of testing. I am thinking of going and > taking a swing at this test just to see how I do. Has anyone else > on the list taken the test? Are their any members of mensa here? > I am curious if it is worth my time to join, do they do anything > and is it any fun? Mensa is a club where the members all share exactly *one* attribute - ask yourself, how important is that one attribute to you? Do you define yourself by that attribute? Are friends impressed by this one attribute of yours? Do you do any activities that focus on only this one attribute? As a tall fellow (6' 4"), I was once single, and went to a "Moonrakers" Single club function, and it was a huge let down - one of the few things that make me stood out was my height, and being surrounded by so many others who *shared* my "stature" was odd, and unsuccessful. Ultimately, I met my future wife the old fashined way - at a high school homecoming party at a local bar about 8 yrs after my graduation (BTW, my wife is 5' 2",a nd just perfect! ;^) Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Tue Oct 8 11:30:37 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 12:30:37 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Star wars episode 3: The Lego trailer Message-ID: <20021008163037.GA7987@cs.millersville.edu> http://users.eastlink.ca/%7Ejaysilver/MakingofROTE.html I thought this was so cool. I wish I had time for doing projects like this. -- Joshua D. Boyd From wa2egp at att.net Tue Oct 8 12:34:44 2002 From: wa2egp at att.net (wa2egp at att.net) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:34:44 +0000 Subject: [geeks] Mensa Message-ID: <20021008173445.LTGN20527.mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net@mtiwebc19> > I remember their ads in _Omni_. There was a magazine I hated to > see fold. > Ah yes......the magazine of science and science fiction. Too bad they couldn't distinguish between the two. I remember a dozen "unexplained" UFO pictures they printed. In five minutes I "explained" ten of them. Wasn't too impressed after that. Bob From geeks at sunhelp.org Tue Oct 8 13:00:57 2002 From: geeks at sunhelp.org (geeks at sunhelp.org) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 11:00:57 -0700 Subject: [geeks] Mensa Message-ID: ~ -----Original Message----- ~ From: wa2egp at att.net [mailto:wa2egp at att.net] ~ Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:35 PM ~ To: geeks at sunhelp.org ~ Subject: Re: [geeks] Mensa ~ ~ ~ > I remember their ads in _Omni_. There was a magazine I hated to ~ > see fold. ~ > ~ Ah yes......the magazine of science and science fiction. Too bad ~ they couldn't distinguish between the two. I remember a dozen ~ "unexplained" UFO pictures they printed. In five minutes I ~ "explained" ~ ten of them. Wasn't too impressed after that. Bob I was suspicious of them before reading one issue. It was published by a pornography family. From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Tue Oct 8 14:29:29 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 15:29:29 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Palm Zire Message-ID: <20021008192929.GB14671@cs.millersville.edu> http://www.palm.com/products/handhelds/zire/details.html Nice looking. Why can't they get over the idea of only 2 megs at the low end and give everyone a minimum of 4? -- Joshua D. Boyd From james at jdfogg.com Tue Oct 8 16:00:46 2002 From: james at jdfogg.com (James) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 17:00:46 -0400 Subject: [geeks] I have moved my subscription Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021008170029.009e6ec0@mail.jdfogg.com> I have moved my subscription off of my companies email account. This is in preparation for a future that is uncertain AND to kick Outlook the freak out of my life. Former identity: James Fogg / jfogg at vicinity.com From vance at neurotica.com Tue Oct 8 17:48:45 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] One of my favorite movie quotes Message-ID: "Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volgar Sindrore the Traveler has come. Choose and perish." I love that quote. Peace... Sridhar From vance at neurotica.com Tue Oct 8 17:57:09 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] DEC SDI Drives Message-ID: Does anyone have any DEC RA7X drives they would be willing to let go real cheap? Size doesn't really matter all that much. Peace... Sridhar From sjh at waroffice.net Tue Oct 8 18:00:55 2002 From: sjh at waroffice.net (Steven Hill) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 18:00:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] One of my favorite movie quotes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > "Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volgar Sindrore the Traveler > has come. Choose and perish." Nice. "Do you expect me to talk" "No, Mr Bond, I expect you to die!" I think that's my favourite... My many others are alluded to in my sig. -- Steven Hill This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. From crisco_kid at shaw.ca Tue Oct 8 18:33:46 2002 From: crisco_kid at shaw.ca (Dave Kimmel) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 17:33:46 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [geeks] Palm Zire In-Reply-To: <20021008192929.GB14671@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <20021008172832.L4770-100000@rapier.gsm> On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > http://www.palm.com/products/handhelds/zire/details.html > > Nice looking. Why can't they get over the idea of only 2 megs at the > low end and give everyone a minimum of 4? For the price, there doesn't seem to be too much to complain about, except for the lack of a backlight. The idea is probably to get people hooked with a cheap Palm, then they buy something more expensive. I went from a PalmPilot Professional (1MB of RAM) to a Palm Vx, so I know that the strategy works. ;-) -- Dave Kimmel crisco_kid at shaw.ca From dittman at dittman.net Tue Oct 8 19:12:38 2002 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 19:12:38 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] DEC SDI Drives In-Reply-To: from "vance@neurotica.com" at Oct 08, 2002 06:57:09 PM Message-ID: <200210090012.g990CcR02344@narnia.int.dittman.net> > Does anyone have any DEC RA7X drives they would be willing to let go real > cheap? Size doesn't really matter all that much. Are you willing to travel to get them? -- Eric Dittman dittman at dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ From vance at neurotica.com Tue Oct 8 19:44:40 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 20:44:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] DEC SDI Drives In-Reply-To: <200210090012.g990CcR02344@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: No, but I'm willing to pay shipping if it's not *too* bad. Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Eric Dittman wrote: > > Does anyone have any DEC RA7X drives they would be willing to let go real > > cheap? Size doesn't really matter all that much. > > Are you willing to travel to get them? > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman at dittman.net > Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From swallbridge at franticfilms.com Tue Oct 8 22:51:06 2002 From: swallbridge at franticfilms.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 22:51:06 -0500 Subject: [geeks] R12k Octanes Message-ID: <3DA3A7AA.7070701@franticfilms.com> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2058387290 Dutch auction for 40. All R12k 300's with 512MB and 9GB drives. Right now it's at $560. shawn From vance at neurotica.com Tue Oct 8 23:09:06 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 00:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] R12k Octanes In-Reply-To: <3DA3A7AA.7070701@franticfilms.com> Message-ID: Wow! Peace... Sridhar On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2058387290 > > Dutch auction for 40. All R12k 300's with 512MB and 9GB drives. Right > now it's at $560. > > shawn > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From brt at g.haggve.se Wed Oct 9 01:58:05 2002 From: brt at g.haggve.se (Bjorn Ramqvist) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 08:58:05 +0200 Subject: [geeks] DEC SDI Drives References: Message-ID: <3DA3D37D.84EA1863@g.haggve.se> vance at neurotica.com wrote: > > Does anyone have any DEC RA7X drives they would be willing to let go real > cheap? Size doesn't really matter all that much. Omg. SDI-drives. It was a looong time ago I heard about those. Man, I love'em! Started using RM80 on 11/730, later RA81 and RA82 on 11/750 and 780. There ain't words enough to describe their coolness-factor, with that RS-232 port. Heh... When RA90/91s came around, things were going fast. When RA7x drives came, they were seriously fast. Too bad I don't have any drives left for you. :-( /Bjorn From d.kindred at telesciences.com Wed Oct 9 09:13:14 2002 From: d.kindred at telesciences.com (David L Kindred (Dave)) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 10:13:14 -0400 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? Message-ID: <15780.14714.88185.939015@gargle.gargle.HOWL> I know most of you guys hate PCs, so for the spirit of the question substitute your favorite desktop :) I just a news report that Home Depot is buying 40,000 PCs from HP. It is probably the lack of sufficient coffee yet this morning, but I'm trying to imagine just how large a pile of 40,000 PCs would be if they were ever in the same place at once? Anyone here ever have to deal with numbers like that? To me it's just mind boggling to even consider. -- David L. Kindred Unix Systems & Network Administrator Telesciences, Inc. Support: 2000 Midlantic Drive, Suite 410, Mt. Laurel, NJ 08054 Tel: +1.856.866.1000 ext. 4184 Fax: +1.856.866.0185 --- From rlonstein at pobox.com Wed Oct 9 13:10:02 2002 From: rlonstein at pobox.com (R. Lonstein) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 14:10:02 -0400 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <15780.14714.88185.939015@gargle.gargle.HOWL> References: <15780.14714.88185.939015@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20021009181002.GA27487@mail.lonsteins.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:13:14AM -0400, David L Kindred (Dave) wrote: [snip] > trying to imagine just how large a pile of 40,000 PCs would be if they > were ever in the same place at once? [snip] According to Enlight, they can ship 800 cases (each approx. 17"w X 7"h X 19"d) in a 40 foot container. I'm guessing that is one of those big steel shipping containers like you see at the port being unloaded by crane. That works out, conveniently, to 50 of these. Imagine 50 tractor trailers (not including the cab) and you have an idea of the size. - Ross From nick at snowman.net Wed Oct 9 14:09:57 2002 From: nick at snowman.net (nick at snowman.net) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 15:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <20021009181002.GA27487@mail.lonsteins.com> Message-ID: It really depends on how tightly you pack em. I've unloaded 3600 midtower cases from a 53" 18 wheeler. (Boss was an idiot, decided he'd "save Money" by haveing the cases shipped unpalleted, which saved shipping costs, and cost him ~8hrs of everyone who worked there to unload). Nick On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, R. Lonstein wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:13:14AM -0400, David L Kindred (Dave) wrote: > [snip] > > trying to imagine just how large a pile of 40,000 PCs would be if they > > were ever in the same place at once? > [snip] > > According to Enlight, they can ship 800 cases (each approx. 17"w X 7"h > X 19"d) in a 40 foot container. I'm guessing that is one of those big > steel shipping containers like you see at the port being unloaded by > crane. That works out, conveniently, to 50 of these. Imagine 50 > tractor trailers (not including the cab) and you have an idea of the > size. > > - Ross > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From david at cantrell.org.uk Wed Oct 9 14:17:32 2002 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:17:32 +0100 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <20021009181002.GA27487@mail.lonsteins.com>; from rlonstein@pobox.com on Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 02:10:02PM -0400 References: <15780.14714.88185.939015@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20021009181002.GA27487@mail.lonsteins.com> Message-ID: <20021009201731.E867@barnyard.co.uk> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 02:10:02PM -0400, R. Lonstein wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:13:14AM -0400, David L Kindred (Dave) wrote: > > trying to imagine just how large a pile of 40,000 PCs would be if they > > were ever in the same place at once? > According to Enlight, they can ship 800 cases (each approx. 17"w X 7"h > X 19"d) in a 40 foot container. I'm guessing that is one of those big > steel shipping containers like you see at the port being unloaded by > crane. That works out, conveniently, to 50 of these. Imagine 50 > tractor trailers (not including the cab) and you have an idea of the > size. Now add the monitors :-) -- David Cantrell | Reprobate | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david engineer: n. one who, regardless of how much effort he puts in to a job, will never satisfy either the suits or the scientists From vance at neurotica.com Wed Oct 9 17:10:30 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:10:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] LOL Message-ID: http://www.brtnet.org/santa.php Peace... Sridhar From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed Oct 9 17:37:52 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:37:52 -0400 Subject: [geeks] LOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 06:10 PM, vance at neurotica.com wrote: > http://www.brtnet.org/santa.php What I'd like to know is why that's a PHP script and not a chunk of static HTML. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From swallbridge at franticfilms.com Wed Oct 9 17:47:36 2002 From: swallbridge at franticfilms.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2002 17:47:36 -0500 Subject: [geeks] LOL References: Message-ID: <3DA4B208.2050403@franticfilms.com> Dave McGuire wrote: > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 06:10 PM, vance at neurotica.com wrote: > >> http://www.brtnet.org/santa.php > > > What I'd like to know is why that's a PHP script and not a chunk of > static HTML. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... > St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks Wow, I thought the exact same thing. Nothing like wasting CPU cycles for nothing (well, I hope nothing). shawn From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 20:48:08 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 18:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <20021009181002.GA27487@mail.lonsteins.com> Message-ID: <20021010014808.48941.qmail@web9301.mail.yahoo.com> --- "R. Lonstein" wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:13:14AM -0400, David L Kindred (Dave) > wrote: > [snip] > > trying to imagine just how large a pile of 40,000 PCs would be if > > they were ever in the same place at once? > [snip] > > According to Enlight, they can ship 800 cases (each approx. 17"w X > 7"h > X 19"d) in a 40 foot container. I'm guessing that is one of those big > steel shipping containers like you see at the port being unloaded by > crane. That works out, conveniently, to 50 of these. Imagine 50 > tractor trailers (not including the cab) and you have an idea of the > size. As a point of reference, the rolling stones are using 53 tractor trailers for their tour. ;^) Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From rlonstein at pobox.com Wed Oct 9 21:00:17 2002 From: rlonstein at pobox.com (R. Lonstein) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:00:17 -0400 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: References: <20021009181002.GA27487@mail.lonsteins.com> Message-ID: <20021010020017.GA30101@mail.lonsteins.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 03:09:57PM -0400, nick at snowman.net wrote: > It really depends on how tightly you pack em. I've unloaded 3600 midtower > cases from a 53" 18 wheeler. (Boss was an idiot, decided he'd "save > Money" by haveing the cases shipped unpalleted, which saved shipping > costs, and cost him ~8hrs of everyone who worked there to unload). > Nick What a waste of time. What did you need 3600 cases for? As for Enlight, I'm guessing that since the cases are destined for retail, they are individually packed and boxed then palleted. They probably don't stack pallets, either. So they are not getting maximum density. Still a large volume. - Ross From rlonstein at pobox.com Wed Oct 9 21:08:29 2002 From: rlonstein at pobox.com (R. Lonstein) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:08:29 -0400 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <20021010014808.48941.qmail@web9301.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021009181002.GA27487@mail.lonsteins.com> <20021010014808.48941.qmail@web9301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021010020829.GB30101@mail.lonsteins.com> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 06:48:08PM -0700, Lionel Peterson wrote: [snip] > As a point of reference, the rolling stones are using 53 tractor > trailers for their tour. ;^) [snip] Damn. That's a lot of gear for a bar band. - Ross From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 21:09:48 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:09:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <20021010020829.GB30101@mail.lonsteins.com> Message-ID: <20021010020948.96868.qmail@web9304.mail.yahoo.com> --- "R. Lonstein" wrote: > On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 06:48:08PM -0700, Lionel Peterson wrote: > [snip] > > As a point of reference, the rolling stones are using 53 tractor > > trailers for their tour. ;^) > [snip] > > Damn. That's a lot of gear for a bar band. Their setup takes so long, they perform on one while the next is being set up in the next city - this is actually quite common, but not at this scale... Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From mcguire at neurotica.com Wed Oct 9 21:19:37 2002 From: mcguire at neurotica.com (Dave McGuire) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:19:37 -0400 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <20021010014808.48941.qmail@web9301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 09:48 PM, Lionel Peterson wrote: > As a point of reference, the rolling stones are using 53 tractor > trailers for their tour. ;^) With all that stuff, one might be tempted to think they'd be able to produce some decent music...but nooooo. I guess it's the same thing with Microsoft and their legions of programmers. -Dave -- Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Wed Oct 9 21:30:19 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:30:19 -0400 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: References: <20021010014808.48941.qmail@web9301.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021010023019.GA17954@cs.millersville.edu> On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 10:19:37PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 09:48 PM, Lionel Peterson wrote: > >As a point of reference, the rolling stones are using 53 tractor > >trailers for their tour. ;^) > > With all that stuff, one might be tempted to think they'd be able to > produce some decent music...but nooooo. I guess it's the same thing > with Microsoft and their legions of programmers. I think that good music needs limitations. And the Rolling Stones have none. I bet good software needs tight limitations also. -- Joshua D. Boyd From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 21:41:18 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 19:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] One of my favorite movie quotes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021010024118.64053.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> --- vance at neurotica.com wrote: > "Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volgar Sindrore the > Traveler > has come. Choose and perish." > > I love that quote. "Sta-puft" (It took me a moment to remember what was "choosen"... ;^) Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From vance at neurotica.com Wed Oct 9 22:31:02 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] LOL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Probably stupidity of some kind. Peace... Sridhar On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Dave McGuire wrote: > On Wednesday, October 9, 2002, at 06:10 PM, vance at neurotica.com wrote: > > http://www.brtnet.org/santa.php > > What I'd like to know is why that's a PHP script and not a chunk of > static HTML. > > -Dave > > -- > Dave McGuire "PC users only know two 'solutions'... > St. Petersburg, FL reboot and upgrade." -Jonathan Patschke > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From dittman at dittman.net Wed Oct 9 22:29:42 2002 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 22:29:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: from "Dave McGuire" at Oct 09, 2002 10:19:37 PM Message-ID: <200210100329.g9A3Tgs06361@narnia.int.dittman.net> > > As a point of reference, the rolling stones are using 53 tractor > > trailers for their tour. ;^) > > With all that stuff, one might be tempted to think they'd be able to > produce some decent music...but nooooo. I guess it's the same thing > with Microsoft and their legions of programmers. There's some Stones songs that I like. I'm pretty eclectic, though. The only types of I don't really like are both kinds of music: Country & Western. (Name the movie I was paraphrasing). -- Eric Dittman dittman at dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 9 22:41:36 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 20:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] Anyone? Microcars? Message-ID: <20021010034136.69851.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Anyone here get sucked into this - I'm tempted... http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,604706,00.asp Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From shawn at synack-hosting.com Thu Oct 10 01:40:33 2002 From: shawn at synack-hosting.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: 10 Oct 2002 01:40:33 -0500 Subject: [geeks] Anyone? Microcars? In-Reply-To: <20021010034136.69851.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021010034136.69851.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1034232034.22563.11.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> Yup, I have a Celica with a 3.0 engine upgrade on the way. Someone at work bought one, then brought it to work. That day he started taking orders. I think we hit 14 cars by the end of the day. They are lots of fun. shawn On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 22:41, Lionel Peterson wrote: > Hello, > > Anyone here get sucked into this - I'm tempted... > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,604706,00.asp > > Lionel > > ===== > Lionel > > "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten > programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" > Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Wed Oct 9 22:49:16 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:49:16 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Anyone? Microcars? In-Reply-To: <1034232034.22563.11.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> References: <20021010034136.69851.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> <1034232034.22563.11.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: <20021010034916.GA22392@cs.millersville.edu> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:40:33AM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > Yup, I have a Celica with a 3.0 engine upgrade on the way. Someone at > work bought one, then brought it to work. That day he started taking > orders. I think we hit 14 cars by the end of the day. > > They are lots of fun. Have you guys built an office race track yet? -- Joshua D. Boyd From shawn at synack-hosting.com Thu Oct 10 01:47:05 2002 From: shawn at synack-hosting.com (Shawn Wallbridge) Date: 10 Oct 2002 01:47:05 -0500 Subject: [geeks] Anyone? Microcars? In-Reply-To: <20021010034916.GA22392@cs.millersville.edu> References: <20021010034136.69851.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> <1034232034.22563.11.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> <20021010034916.GA22392@cs.millersville.edu> Message-ID: <1034232425.22563.13.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> On Wed, 2002-10-09 at 22:49, Joshua D Boyd wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:40:33AM -0500, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > > Yup, I have a Celica with a 3.0 engine upgrade on the way. Someone at > > work bought one, then brought it to work. That day he started taking > > orders. I think we hit 14 cars by the end of the day. > > > > They are lots of fun. > > Have you guys built an office race track yet? > > -- > Joshua D. Boyd > _______________________________________________ > GEEKS: http://www.sunhelp.org/mailman/listinfo/geeks Not yet. Only one person has one yet, the rest of us are waiting for ours. I expect it to be insane when they show up. shawn From dave at cca.org Thu Oct 10 00:04:30 2002 From: dave at cca.org (dave at cca.org) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:04:30 EDT Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? Message-ID: <02404010430.dave.26861@cca.org> dittman at dittman.net writes: >> > As a point of reference, the rolling stones are using 53 tractor >> > trailers for their tour. ;^) >> >> With all that stuff, one might be tempted to think they'd be able to >> produce some decent music...but nooooo. I guess it's the same thing >> with Microsoft and their legions of programmers. >There's some Stones songs that I like. I'm pretty eclectic, >though. The only types of I don't really like are both kinds >of music: Country & Western. What about Johnny Cash? I'm a firm believer that there's good music in every genre - it's just usually obscure and takes some digging. (Obviously Cash isn't obscure, he's one of those rarities that actually deserve their fame.) As for the Stones - I like a few of their early hits (in particular, "Gimmi Shelter") but overall they're no better than most bar bands. Luckily I like music that isn't very popular (comperably) so I can go see the best bands in the world for their genres at shows of a few hundred people, and they're really psyched when you go up after the show and tell them they were good... >(Name the movie I was paraphrasing). "No Ma'am, we're musicians." ------ David Fischer ------- dave at cca.org ------- http://www.cca.org ------ ------------------------ Drink Your Ovaltine! ----------------------------- From brt at g.haggve.se Thu Oct 10 00:16:54 2002 From: brt at g.haggve.se (Bjorn Ramqvist) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 07:16:54 +0200 Subject: [geeks] LOL References: Message-ID: <3DA50D46.F34C31D6@g.haggve.se> vance at neurotica.com wrote: > > http://www.brtnet.org/santa.php Hehehe... 1 kilosanta and 1 megasanta. :-) /Bjorn From me at dansikorski.com Thu Oct 10 00:13:20 2002 From: me at dansikorski.com (Dan Sikorski) Date: 10 Oct 2002 00:13:20 -0500 Subject: [geeks] Anyone? Microcars? In-Reply-To: <1034232425.22563.13.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> References: <20021010034136.69851.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> <1034232034.22563.11.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> <20021010034916.GA22392@cs.millersville.edu> <1034232425.22563.13.camel@osiris.synack-hosting.com> Message-ID: <1034226800.31604.30.camel@GeneralLee> On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 01:47, Shawn Wallbridge wrote: > Not yet. Only one person has one yet, the rest of us are waiting for > ours. I expect it to be insane when they show up. So, from the looks of things, the microsizers are the way to go, is that what you've found? Anyone else here into RC cars? i've got an electric rc10 and a kyosho nitro road car. Don't play with the stuff all too much anymore, but man, a little 16" car goin' 30+mph is a lotta fun. -Dan Sikorski From dittman at dittman.net Thu Oct 10 01:36:58 2002 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:36:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: from "dave@cca.org" at Oct 10, 2002 01:04:30 AM Message-ID: <200210100636.g9A6awD06753@narnia.int.dittman.net> > >> > As a point of reference, the rolling stones are using 53 tractor > >> > trailers for their tour. ;^) > >> > >> With all that stuff, one might be tempted to think they'd be able to > >> produce some decent music...but nooooo. I guess it's the same thing > >> with Microsoft and their legions of programmers. > > >There's some Stones songs that I like. I'm pretty eclectic, > >though. The only types of I don't really like are both kinds > >of music: Country & Western. > > What about Johnny Cash? I'm a firm believer that there's good > music in every genre - it's just usually obscure and takes some > digging. (Obviously Cash isn't obscure, he's one of those rarities > that actually deserve their fame.) Well, as with most things, there are exceptions, and Johnny Cash is an exception for me. I like some of his stuff. > >(Name the movie I was paraphrasing). > > "No Ma'am, we're musicians." :-) -- Eric Dittman dittman at dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ From wstan at xs4all.nl Thu Oct 10 05:27:27 2002 From: wstan at xs4all.nl (William S.) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 12:27:27 +0200 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <02404010430.dave.26861@cca.org> References: <02404010430.dave.26861@cca.org> Message-ID: <20021010102727.GC38875@xs4all.nl> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:04:30AM -0400, dave at cca.org wrote: > dittman at dittman.net writes: > > >There's some Stones songs that I like. I'm pretty eclectic, > >though. The only types of I don't really like are both kinds > >of music: Country & Western. > > What about Johnny Cash? I'm a firm believer that there's good > music in every genre - it's just usually obscure and takes some > digging. (Obviously Cash isn't obscure, he's one of those rarities > that actually deserve their fame.) I have a song I listen to by Woody Guthrie. Very simple recording. Just him, one instrument, no fancy stuff. Great song... "This land is you land.." -- Bill Amsterdam, NL From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 06:21:31 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <02404010430.dave.26861@cca.org> Message-ID: <20021010112131.60720.qmail@web9307.mail.yahoo.com> --- dave at cca.org wrote: > What about Johnny Cash? Johnny Cash was "outted" by Spin magazine a long time ago (late 80's?) when he put out his greatest hits CD - the reviewer of that (then) hip magazine couldn't say enough good things about him. Nor can I. Heh - the most requested CD of mine at my office is a Tom Jones Greatest Hits CD... ;^) > As for the Stones - I like a few of their early hits (in particular, > "Gimmi Shelter") but overall they're no better than most bar bands. > Luckily I like music that isn't very popular (comperably) so I can > go see the best bands in the world for their genres at shows of a > few hundred people, and they're really psyched when you go up after > the show and tell them they were good... > > >(Name the movie I was paraphrasing). > > "No Ma'am, we're musicians." Blues Brothers? Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From lionel4287 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 10 06:26:23 2002 From: lionel4287 at yahoo.com (Lionel Peterson) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 04:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <20021010112131.60720.qmail@web9307.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021010112623.9391.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> --- Lionel Peterson wrote: > --- dave at cca.org wrote: > > > What about Johnny Cash? > > Johnny Cash was "outted" by Spin magazine a long time ago (late > 80's?) when he put out his greatest hits CD - the reviewer of > that (then) hip magazine couldn't say enough good things about him. I meant "outed to a whole new generation"... Johnny Cash was Very Popular long before the late 80's ;^) Lionel ===== Lionel "Nothing would please me more than being able to hire ten programmers and deluge the hobby market with good software" Bill Gates, in "An OpenLetter to Hobbyists" dated February 3, 1976 From kurt at k-huhn.com Thu Oct 10 07:55:13 2002 From: kurt at k-huhn.com (Kurt Huhn) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:55:13 -0400 Subject: [geeks] Anyone? Microcars? In-Reply-To: <20021010034136.69851.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20021010034136.69851.qmail@web9306.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021010085513.3765ca02.kurt@k-huhn.com> Lionel Peterson wrote: > Anyone here get sucked into this - I'm tempted... > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,604706,00.asp > Not sucked in yet, but growing very tempted as I read more of the article... -- Kurt kurt at k-huhn.com From dittman at dittman.net Thu Oct 10 08:30:05 2002 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 08:30:05 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: from "Lionel Peterson" at Oct 10, 2002 04:21:31 AM Message-ID: <200210101330.g9ADU5K07691@narnia.int.dittman.net> > > >(Name the movie I was paraphrasing). > > > > "No Ma'am, we're musicians." > > Blues Brothers? Yes. -- Eric Dittman dittman at dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ From mturner at whro.org Thu Oct 10 08:48:02 2002 From: mturner at whro.org (Michael A. Turner) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 09:48:02 -0400 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? Message-ID: <86A04938D89DD511ACBF0008C7E9E5431DA765@terra.whro.org> > > > What about Johnny Cash? > > > > Johnny Cash was "outted" by Spin magazine a long time ago (late > > 80's?) when he put out his greatest hits CD - the reviewer of > > that (then) hip magazine couldn't say enough good things about him. > > I meant "outed to a whole new generation"... > > Johnny Cash was Very Popular long before the late 80's ;^) > > Lionel > > ===== > Lionel And outted in the first context has a whole different connotation than the second version. I read that and went "Really, well I would have never guessed." thought I was going to have to start filling my Johnny Cash next to REM and the B-52s all of a sudden. Michael A. Turner Systems Engineer WHRO michael.turner at whro.org http://www.whro.org From kris at catonic.net Thu Oct 10 10:21:08 2002 From: kris at catonic.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:21:08 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <200210100329.g9A3Tgs06361@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 9 Oct 2002, Eric Dittman wrote: > There's some Stones songs that I like. I'm pretty eclectic, > though. The only types of I don't really like are both kinds > of music: Country & Western. Ugh. Artifacts of the 80s I'd love to be able to forget -- that stupid movie wherein Dolly Parton makes Rambo into a Country singer. ugh. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From kris at catonic.net Thu Oct 10 10:23:25 2002 From: kris at catonic.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:23:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: <200210100636.g9A6awD06753@narnia.int.dittman.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Eric Dittman wrote: > > >(Name the movie I was paraphrasing). > > > > "No Ma'am, we're musicians." Why do I have the urge to buy a Dodge Diplomat, paint it black and white, and buy spray adhesive.... -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From dittman at dittman.net Thu Oct 10 13:46:23 2002 From: dittman at dittman.net (Eric Dittman) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 13:46:23 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: from "Kris Kirby" at Oct 10, 2002 03:21:08 PM Message-ID: <200210101846.g9AIkNg08371@narnia.int.dittman.net> > > There's some Stones songs that I like. I'm pretty eclectic, > > though. The only types of I don't really like are both kinds > > of music: Country & Western. > > Ugh. Artifacts of the 80s I'd love to be able to forget -- that stupid > movie wherein Dolly Parton makes Rambo into a Country singer. ugh. Rhinestone. Does anyone remember the SNL with Stallone hosting where Norm MacDonald and Ana Gasteyer were in a car wreck and Stallone was trying to help? All Norm's character could do was talk about all the bad Stallone movies. "Stop... Stop..." "He's trying to say something." "Stop or My Mom Will Shoot sucked!" -- Eric Dittman dittman at dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ From vance at neurotica.com Thu Oct 10 14:50:20 2002 From: vance at neurotica.com (vance at neurotica.com) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Kris Kirby wrote: > > > >(Name the movie I was paraphrasing). > > > > > > "No Ma'am, we're musicians." > > Why do I have the urge to buy a Dodge Diplomat, paint it black and white, > and buy spray adhesive.... Do you also have the urge to eat dry, white toast with nothing to drink? Peace... Sridhar From schiller at agrijag.com Thu Oct 10 14:52:39 2002 From: schiller at agrijag.com (Michael Schiller) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 15:52:39 -0400 Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? References: Message-ID: <3DA5DA87.8E2DD3C8@agrijag.com> vance at neurotica.com wrote: > > On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Kris Kirby wrote: > > > > > >(Name the movie I was paraphrasing). > > > > > > > > "No Ma'am, we're musicians." > > > > Why do I have the urge to buy a Dodge Diplomat, paint it black and white, > > and buy spray adhesive.... > > Do you also have the urge to eat dry, white toast with nothing to drink? > Or perhaps 4 fried chickens and a coke? -- -Mike *------------------------------------------------------------------* *PGP fingerprint= D2 4F A8 B7 13 D5 73 1E 48 99 40 99 F9 BC 74 74 * *Email:schiller at nospam.agrijag.com \|||/ http://www.agrijag.com * * (o o) * *-------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo------------------------* From kris at catonic.net Thu Oct 10 15:15:58 2002 From: kris at catonic.net (Kris Kirby) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:15:58 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [geeks] How big is a pile of 40,000 PCs? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 10 Oct 2002 vance at neurotica.com wrote: > Do you also have the urge to eat dry, white toast with nothing to drink? Where do you think I picked up the habit? -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR TGIFreeBSD IM: 'KrisBSD' "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" This message brought to you by the US Department of Homeland Security From chris at yonderway.com Thu Oct 10 00:25:33 2002 From: chris at yonderway.com (Chris Hedemark) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 01:25:33 -0400 Subject: [geeks] [jacobbartlet@msn.com: Re: VAX Floating Point Systems Array Processor, AP 120B] In-Reply-To: <20021007032614.GS16101@mrbill.net> Message-ID: On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 11:26 PM, Bill Bradford wrote: > John is in MD, 30 miles from D.C. Someone please rescue this. 8-) Hmmm traveling to that part of the country these days could be hazardous to your health. I'm allergic to .223 bullets. Chris Hedemark Professional Computer Consulting & Videography Hillsborough, NC http://yonderway.com "Everywhere is walking distance if you have the time." -Steve Wright From jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu Thu Oct 10 15:36:22 2002 From: jdboyd at cs.millersville.edu (Joshua D Boyd) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 16:36:22 -0400 Subject: [geeks] [jacobbartlet@msn.com: Re: VAX Floating Point Systems Array Processor, AP 120B] In-Reply-To: References: <20021007032614.GS16101@mrbill.net> Message-ID: <20021010203622.GA25029@cs.millersville.edu> On Thu, Oct 10, 2002 at 01:25:33AM -0400, Chris Hedemark wrote: > On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 11:26 PM, Bill Bradford wrote: > > >John is in MD, 30 miles from D.C. Someone please rescue this.