[geeks] Sun Fire V120 Server -vs- Apple Xserve
kevin at elbonia.org
Fri Jun 21 19:27:42 CDT 2002
netinfo is the one thing that should have died with next....
just the more important reason for me not to use osx for server.
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex j avriette" <avriettea at speakeasy.net>
To: <geeks at sunhelp.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [geeks] Sun Fire V120 Server -vs- Apple Xserve
>> the reason it is not useful as a server platform is its extreme
>> lack of any remote control abilities.
> What are you talking about? It's effectively a unix box at the command
its effectively a unix box, sure.
> (well there's netinfo, which is new, but it's just a direct follow-on to
> NIS, done by the very same designer, and finally much better it
netinfo is a horrible and ugly hack which turns my stomach. its
obfuscated and undocumented interface, as well as the shoddy manpages
associated with it and poor stability are a curse on the entire
> Hmmm.... that's about an opposite problem -- using the GUI gets
> extraneous stuff created for things like the anon-FTP user.....
its a mac. its got a gui. in fact that its primary interface. to say
that it is extraneous or should not be used is akin to saying that one
should remove /usr/bin from their path and just use /bin instead. it is
poor implementation of poor planning. its an utter wreck.
> Netinfo has commands for adding users at the command-line.....
netinfo can blow me. it makes my machines useless.
> I don't know what documentation you've been reading, but whatever it is
> has mislead you. Everything we've needed to do has been trivial at the
> command-line from SSH. I've never used any GUI for doing sys-admin
> stuff on OS X.
i want to add a user, 'cormac' to my osx server. demonstrate how that is
i want to add new hosts on my network:
billybob.posixnap.net has address 10.1.1.199
jihad.posixnap.net has address 10.1.1.8
luke.posixnap.net has address 10.1.1.7
scrod.posixnap.net has address 10.1.1.6
so that they resolve without nameserver lookups. one would think
/etc/hosts would be the place for this.
i want to change my nameserver.
here are the ones that will warp your noodle:
i want to turn on "universal access" so the cursor can be controlled
with the keyboard. here's the catch. i dont have a mouse.
i want to add a new piece of software from apple (say i want to upgrade
greg, you are blowing smoke up my ass if you tell me any of these are
accomplished in any sort of intuitive fashion from the commandline.
> and it would be hillarious considering what we are doing is happily
> serving many gigabytes of web stuff out per day..... :-)
nobody said you had to be competent or use unix or even a useful
enterprise worthy os to serve gigabytes of content a day.
> Yup, that could be a real problem -- we just haven't tripped too hard
> over it yet....
and yet youre using it so much youre serving gigs of content a day.
sounds like you guys know those "enterprise" mac servers inside and out.
>> i dislike that they have not produced a "security
>> update" for the OS based on the apache DOS hole recently spotted (and
>> fact remote www exploit in some OS's).
> Oh, come on now! It's only been a few days.... :-)
there are already remote exploits for it. that is long enough.
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